"Before 1986, people often did not obtain a Social Security number until the age of about 14, since the numbers were used for income tracking purposes, and those under that age seldom had substantial income. The Tax Reform Act of 1986 required parents to list Social Security numbers for each dependent over the age of 5 for whom the parent wanted to claim a tax deduction." (Wiki) Anna did not have a SSN.
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"Before 1986, people often did not obtain a Social Security number until the age of about 14, since the numbers were used for income tracking purposes, and those under that age seldom had substantial income. The Tax Reform Act of 1986 required parents to list Social Security numbers for each dependent over the age of 5 for whom the parent wanted to claim a tax deduction." (Wiki) Anna did not have a SSN.
Thank you Annasmom, I knew there was some reason most people got them when they were a teen, but wasn't familiar with why. And I did not think Anna had one, thank you for the confirmation.
I don't know how to phrase this, so I hope it won't come out wrong.
I'm wondering if exploring the possible reasons why Anna has not been found or has not got in touch yet would help in planning the strategies for future searches and sleuthing (in terms of what to do to overcome the possible obstacles).
Going on the assumption that Anna is alive, here's what's in my mind as some possibilities:
1. Anna does not remember anything from before the abduction, the abduction itself, and the time immediately after the abduction. Hence she doesn't know her family is looking for her.
2. Anna knows the people who brought her up are not her biological family, but has been told something convincing enough so she isn't even looking to find her biological family at all. This includes stories of parents dying/abandoning her, being a foundling, a fatal accident... What she has been told is convincing enough for her to not question lack of photos of her before age 5 or 6 and any lack of documents.
3. Stockholm syndrome.
4. Abductor still alive and in control of Anna in some way; coupled with point 3 perhaps. She doesn't have much of a chance of doing any research perhaps.
5. Anna is somewhere where she doesn't have much contact with the world, little or no internet access, doesn't get to go out among people much unless absolutely unavoidable. A lonely farm in the middle of nowhere perhaps, a more-or-less self-sufficient existence.
6. Anna is in some closed community, possibly religion-oriented or a sect, so a lot from point 5 might apply here, too.
7. If she was taken out of the US, she could be somewhere non-English speaking. Five is young enough to forget mother-tongue. Her age now could mean that she only speaks the language of the country (depending on the country and its education system, plus her circumstances), or that her English is limited and so not much use in searching for her roots. This could also mean she might be searching desperately for her family, but in a wrong country, on the wrong continent, in the wrong language.
I'll stop here for now. I wonder if anyone has any thoughts on this.
If anything here is offensive or causes pain, I hope mods will delete this post.
I'm wondering if exploring the possible reasons why Anna has not been found or has not got in touch yet would help in planning the strategies for future searches and sleuthing (in terms of what to do to overcome the possible obstacles).
Going on the assumption that Anna is alive, here's what's in my mind as some possibilities:
1. Anna does not remember anything from before the abduction, the abduction itself, and the time immediately after the abduction. Hence she doesn't know her family is looking for her.
2. Anna knows the people who brought her up are not her biological family, but has been told something convincing enough so she isn't even looking to find her biological family at all. This includes stories of parents dying/abandoning her, being a foundling, a fatal accident... What she has been told is convincing enough for her to not question lack of photos of her before age 5 or 6 and any lack of documents.
3. Stockholm syndrome.
4. Abductor still alive and in control of Anna in some way; coupled with point 3 perhaps. She doesn't have much of a chance of doing any research perhaps.
5. Anna is somewhere where she doesn't have much contact with the world, little or no internet access, doesn't get to go out among people much unless absolutely unavoidable. A lonely farm in the middle of nowhere perhaps, a more-or-less self-sufficient existence.
6. Anna is in some closed community, possibly religion-oriented or a sect, so a lot from point 5 might apply here, too.
7. If she was taken out of the US, she could be somewhere non-English speaking. Five is young enough to forget mother-tongue. Her age now could mean that she only speaks the language of the country (depending on the country and its education system, plus her circumstances), or that her English is limited and so not much use in searching for her roots. This could also mean she might be searching desperately for her family, but in a wrong country, on the wrong continent, in the wrong language.
I'll stop here for now. I wonder if anyone has any thoughts on this.
If anything here is offensive or causes pain, I hope mods will delete this post.
Thank you, Firefly, for such a thoughtful list (and thank you also for your sensitivity). I think all these answers are possible. If GW and GB had anything to do with her disappearance, I am quite sure that they would have considered it a rescue rather than an abduction and would have backed it up with a convincing story. As to being in a foreign country, we had that in mind in posting her story on the International site for missing and exploited children, and in trying to get the story out in Italy and Greece. Of course, if she is alive, she could be anywhere.
Just another thought. I would love to see the FB pages updated and trying to get more members as friends on FB. I'm noticing more and more people across the globe 'networking' via FB within the Missing Persons groups out there.
It's been awhile since I have looked at Annas' FB pages, but am unsure if they are being kept 'current' and by current I mean routinely adding info such as the possibility of the Italian TV show, or other things that are happening. Idea's such as checking HS year books now that more are online..... I've received a few FB requests from people I have no doubt know of me through WS, or have seen the multiple mutual friends among the MP community and we just add to give all those cases exposure. Two requests have come in from the other side of the globe in languages other than English and since they have the MP's listed I accepted the friends request. some who wish to keep their personal FB page private may wish to set one up solely for Missing Persons info....
Anna's is the one case my eyes are always open to looking for someone who resembles Anna. I could be anywhere, in church, in the mall, at the convenience store - literally anywhere and I look for someone who not only resembles Anna. But also considering Anna is at an age where she may likely have adult children (early 20's) if I see someone young and in that age range I might stop them and mention Anna's case. Ok, yes I have been known to stop people who are total strangers and talk to them for a minute or two about Anna's case if I see a strong enough resemblence I have to mention it. (and then mentioning the searchingforanna.com page where they can find info and find there way back here.) I know not everyone may be willing to do thatl.... but with a sales and marketing background I'm not afraid to approach people.
Let's keep doing what we can to keep Anna's name, face, age progression, and HS age progressed photo out there. The more exposure the better. If she is out there somewhere it increases our odds of finding her, especially if we consider that 6 degree's of seperation thing.
hth and keeping Anna in my prayers as always.
If the persons who have the FB page can please let us know if they are being kept current maybe we can consider a FB surge so to speak to try and get more exposure all over the globe.
It's been awhile since I have looked at Annas' FB pages, but am unsure if they are being kept 'current' and by current I mean routinely adding info such as the possibility of the Italian TV show, or other things that are happening. Idea's such as checking HS year books now that more are online..... I've received a few FB requests from people I have no doubt know of me through WS, or have seen the multiple mutual friends among the MP community and we just add to give all those cases exposure. Two requests have come in from the other side of the globe in languages other than English and since they have the MP's listed I accepted the friends request. some who wish to keep their personal FB page private may wish to set one up solely for Missing Persons info....
Anna's is the one case my eyes are always open to looking for someone who resembles Anna. I could be anywhere, in church, in the mall, at the convenience store - literally anywhere and I look for someone who not only resembles Anna. But also considering Anna is at an age where she may likely have adult children (early 20's) if I see someone young and in that age range I might stop them and mention Anna's case. Ok, yes I have been known to stop people who are total strangers and talk to them for a minute or two about Anna's case if I see a strong enough resemblence I have to mention it. (and then mentioning the searchingforanna.com page where they can find info and find there way back here.) I know not everyone may be willing to do thatl.... but with a sales and marketing background I'm not afraid to approach people.
Let's keep doing what we can to keep Anna's name, face, age progression, and HS age progressed photo out there. The more exposure the better. If she is out there somewhere it increases our odds of finding her, especially if we consider that 6 degree's of seperation thing.
hth and keeping Anna in my prayers as always.
If the persons who have the FB page can please let us know if they are being kept current maybe we can consider a FB surge so to speak to try and get more exposure all over the globe.
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Thank you, Annasmom. I believe Anna is alive, and what you say above about GW and GB has worried me for a long time.
I think searching on adoption sites and International Site for Missing and Exploited Children are excellent ideas and I'm hopeful that one day, Anna might be found through them. The thread that mentions Seka, though, got me thinking about the possible language barrier. One of my cousins is about Anna's age, and her English is nowhere near up to the task of reading and understanding sites like this one in English; she only started learning English a few years ago when it became necessary for her work. (I should probably add here that I come from a country where English is a foreign language that children now learn in schools.) A lot of people around my cousin's age did not learn English at school; the curriculum was different, some schools taught other foreign languages (depending on many factors), some possibly none at all. Some children back then learnt a foreign language for a very short period of time, never had any need to use it or any exposure to it, and forgot most or all of it. Some were not into languages maybe, or never got a chance. A lot of people of my cousin's generation quit school after primary school (at which time they would have been 13 or 14 years of age) and found jobs. I am a good few years younger than Anna and my cousin, and even in my generation there are quite a few people whose English is not good enough to be of any use if they were to search through adoption cases. I am quite sure my English gives me away as a foreigner, too. To cut a long story short (I am given to rambling, I'm afraid) - has there been any attempt to post on adoption boards abroad in any language other than English? In Serbian? Croatian? Italian?
Do you think it would be worth trying to get Anna's story published in national broadsheets if it has not been done yet, and if so, do we have any connections abroad that would be of use? Members from certain countries perhaps?
Sorry this has turned out to be so long.
Just to recap, the person who currently owns farm house and surrounding property (Tracy Chapman) has refused every attempt we have made to contact her. However, when the RAI cameraman was here, he was able to shoot pictures of the farm while standing up in the back seat of a convertible (!!!) and also at about that time, the police insisted on searching the grounds again. That was fairly recently (as these things go).
I was never a big fan, but since learning of that information awhile back I actually have to turn off her music if I hear it anywhere. It just makes me mad.
I'm so happy to see some activity on Anna's threads of late! I know lots of us are thinking of her but don't have anything really useful to say so it's been a bit quiet...
I'm so happy to see some activity on Anna's threads of late! I know lots of us are thinking of her but don't have anything really useful to say so it's been a bit quiet...
This is the show which sent a producer and crew to the west coast to film Anna's story back when we thought we had a match with the young woman we called C. They have all sorts of film footage on file if they have kept it. I think the reason they did not use the story at the time was that everything was pointed toward a DNA match, which of course did not happen. I thought and still think that the search itself, having lasted so many years, is certainly worth a story in itself. The family member who was helping at the time said to the producer "Well, now you have half a story", and that seems to be the way the photojournalists took it. If you write to 48 Hours (CBS News), you might want to point out the fact that they have archived material and that you believe the search itself is worth a story.
hanks for the background info. Obviously the most important issue is finding Anna, but also mystery surrounding George Brody and his possible involvement makes for a very intriguing story. I will absolutely mention this next time I write.
They have half a story, and the other half might be discovered because of it if they air what they've got.
I think it's certainly worth it, and a lot more relevant and important than most things we get on TV nowadays. I can understand that people watch things like Britain's Got Talent for entertainment purposes, but entertainment is not the sole purpose TV was invented for.
I think it's certainly worth it, and a lot more relevant and important than most things we get on TV nowadays. I can understand that people watch things like Britain's Got Talent for entertainment purposes, but entertainment is not the sole purpose TV was invented for.
Hi, Smile! Haven't seen you here for a while!
yeah i keep checking everyday on here but really haven't see much updating. i did find an email for the new vanished show on lifetime and send them over Anna's info as well as some links for them to check out hopefully it sparks some interest and they decide to maybe do a story on it. i am going to be in california for 2 weeks in august i do want to check out the area where anna went missing. i will be in the Bakersfield, la, anaheim and beach areas. not sure how far that is from half moon bay
Unfortunately, those towns are far away from Half Moon Bay, which is about 35 miles south of San Francisco. You can Google the distance. But if you do make it to northern California, be sure to let me know!
Firefly75,
I've just been using the "contact us" link at the bottom of the 48 Hours Mystery website. When I get some time, I'll look into other ways to contact them as well.
I've just been using the "contact us" link at the bottom of the 48 Hours Mystery website. When I get some time, I'll look into other ways to contact them as well.
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