Related Issues and Food for Thought

[Arnie M]

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I am the last person to add imaginary coincidences into anything , but I cherry picked a few additional verses from that song that seem to fit in an eerie kind of way ....

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I am heaven sent,
Don't you dare forget.
I am all you've ever wanted,
What all the other boys all promised.
Sorry I told. I just needed you to know.
I think in decimals and dollars.

I am the cause to all your problems,
Shelter from cold. we are never alone.
Coordinate brain and mouth.
Then ask me whats it like to have
Myself so figured out.
I wish I knew..

This is war.
Every line is about,
Who I don't wanna write about anymore.
Hope you come down with something
They can't diagnose, don't have the cure for.
Holding on to your grudge.
Oh its so hard to have someone to love.
And keeping quiet is hard.
Cause you cant keep a secret
If it never was a secret to start.
At least pretend you didn't wanna get caught

Oh, we're so c-c-c-c-c-controversial.
We are entirely smooth.
We admit to the truth,
We are the best at what we do

This is the grace that only we can bestow.
This is the price you pay for loss of control.
This is the break in the bend,
This is the closest of calls.
This is the reason you're alone,
This is the rise and the fall.

 

[swedie]

Which is it, does he want followers or is he a follower?



By the way, the other tattoo was song lyrics, a typical choice of tattoo if you have a band you really like, from what I am told. I doubt we can tell if he is guilty or innocent by the choice of tattoos he decided on months or years before. Tattoos are not prescient, from what I know, at best they can give us a guess about someone's possible mindset at the time. He could have tattooed 'Lazy 4 Life' or 'F the police' or a peace sign or gang symbols. Maybe he is really religious and he meant the lyrics literally, like he believes that we should all remember that we are gifts from god. Without having someone tell us why they picked the tattoos that they did, it is impossible to know, and impossible to use to determine guilt, in my opinion.

I myself believe DM wanted to be "the boss", as in leader, giving him the big ego boost kwim.

I don't believe anyone is judging his tattoo as to determine if they mean he is a murderer, it goes to his character and thought process. I don't know when he received his tattoo, but they look pretty darn black to me, to be old tattoos. Typically tattoos will fade over time and black tends to turn more bluish in colour. People have been known to get old tattoo redone but I have my doubts in DM case. It's not like his are anything special and artsy kwim.

Religious? Since when do people who are truly religious go around murdering people? :O Hypocrites might. BTW if he was a church going lad, we would have definitely have heard that already. ALL MOO.

 

[swedie]

I honestly think DM is a spoiled little boy that just went overboard. He wanted what he wanted and did it with an ego that thought he would never be caught. Totally JMO But I do wonder about any medical records and if they will be called as evidence. In line with discussion here ...lack of ambition (ie: schooling issues) Was he ever diagnosed ADD ADHD...etc...and any indications of Schizophrenia, Bi-Polar etc. Certainly not any kind of excuse for what he is accused of doing..Just wondering out loud at possible defense logistics.

Hopingforjustice we know something is not right about the boy. Normal people do not go around murdering others for a thrill, material things or financial gain. Nor do normal people murder others to keep them quiet. It takes a different breed to be so warped, cold hearted, calculating, evil and deceitful. To murder and watch others suffer, it's not normal at all, whatsoever. As far as defence, there will be no defence of not criminally responsible, what they use to term as mentally insane if that's what you're meaning. Karma is a B! Justice is coming, slowly but surely IMO.

 

[matou]

How often did DM actually fly any planes? I know he was flying a helicopter with friends. TIA

 

[Juballee]

That's a hard statement to answer as I have never set out to murder someone, but the point I was making is that my tatoo is like a part of me and don't even think of it as "unusual or outstanding" Actually don't even think of it at all!! and when I dress, I do not make a conscious effort to conceal it. I do not for a minute think that DM may have looked at his ambition tatoo and said to himself " I had better hide this". I can guarantee you that never crossed his mind. He had bigger things to think about.

JMO

I would think it would be hard to guarantee what has and has not crossed someone's mind. You must know him very well to know what he thinks, in my opinion.

Again, it's easy to compare yourself and say that you never think to cover up your tattoos, but again, as far as I assume, you don't plan crimes. Perhaps if you were planning one, you would think to cover up your most identifying features, or maybe even wear something to help hide your identity, like a hood.

I know plenty of woman with tattoos, who, when they are going somewhere formal often need to find a dress that conceals their tattoos, so I do know that other people are aware of their tattoos, even if some people insist that they are personally not.

The point that I was making is that a normal person, when planning a crime people will plan to hide their identity. My point was not wether or not innocent people going about their normal lives think to cover theirs, although you make a good point. Since he didn't cover it, he probably thought that he was going about a normal day, not going out to murder. That makes more sense, thanks.

 

[Juballee]

(In my thinking) I am Heaven Sent is something he would smilingly point out to his friends and benefactors , you know , the ones he treats to trips and vacations and boating and gamesrooms and parties , and raves .... and stuff like that

As a matter of fact he as much as says that himself ......

“I aspired to that image in some ways because people wanted that of me,” he says pulling up his orange sleeves, revealing large tattoos across both arms that read “I am heaven sent” and “Don’t you dare forget.”
“I threw some parties. I tried to make that a reality for my friends.”


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I personally think that it was artistic licence on the part of the reporter to tie together his tattoo and his spoken words. I doubt that DM was saying that he aspired to be what his tattoos read, personally.

Also, although the other lyrics of the song are interesting, those aren't the lyrics he choose, he only chose the one line. And since many people are arguing that the Ambition tattoo was for Opposite Day, maybe the Heaven Sent one could also be taken that way.

All my opinion only.

 

[Juballee]

I myself believe DM wanted to be "the boss", as in leader, giving him the big ego boost kwim.

I don't believe anyone is judging his tattoo as to determine if they mean he is a murderer, it goes to his character and thought process. I don't know when he received his tattoo, but they look pretty darn black to me, to be old tattoos. Typically tattoos will fade over time and black tends to turn more bluish in colour. People have been known to get old tattoo redone but I have my doubts in DM case. It's not like his are anything special and artsy kwim.

Religious? Since when do people who are truly religious go around murdering people? :O Hypocrites might. BTW if he was a church going lad, we would have definitely have heard that already. ALL MOO.

Tattoo fade rates depend on the quality of the tattoo to begin with, and where on the body it is as well, some areas don't fade as much as others. I have personally known other people to get their word tattoos re-inked to freshen them up, even if others don't think that they are special or artsy.

Not all religious people go to church, by the way. And when do people who are truly religious go around killing each other? Ever heard of a little thing called The Crusades? Jihads? Honour killings? Being religious or having tattoos have nothing to do with whether or not people are guilty of murder, it's just another way to judge people, and hypocrites are in abundance everywhere, in my opinion.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Tattoo fade rates depend on the quality of the tattoo to begin with, and where on the body it is as well, some areas don't fade as much as others. I have personally known other people to get their word tattoos re-inked to freshen them up, even if others don't think that they are special or artsy.

Not all religious people go to church, by the way. And when do people who are truly religious go around killing each other? Ever heard of a little thing called The Crusades? Jihads? Honour killings? Being religious or having tattoos have nothing to do with whether or not people are guilty of murder, it's just another way to judge people, and hypocrites are in abundance everywhere, in my opinion.

I think DM's problem around the tattoos is that it is hard to come up with something

more arrogant

than "I am heaven sent, don't you dare forget"

Arrogant:

making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud
characterized by or proceeding from arrogance, or a sense of superiority, self-importance, or entitlement
exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner
having or showing the insulting attitude of people who believe that they are better, smarter, or more important than other people : having or showing arrogance
The definition of arrogant is someone who is full of self-worth or self-importance and who tells and shows that they have a feeling of superiority over others
Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others
haughty, disdainful, supercilious These adjectives mean characterized by an inflated ego and disdain for what one considers inferior. One who is arrogant is overbearingly proud and demands excessive power or consideration
having exaggerated self-opinion
The definition of arrogant is someone who is full of self-worth or self-importance and who tells and shows that they have a feeling of superiority over others.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arrogant
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogant
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arrogant
http://www.yourdictionary.com/arrogant

Someone who is arrogant would like to be the leader in all cases whether they are capable or not. DM had better stick to long sleeves during the trial, because many ordinary people would be horrified to see him display his arrogance through that tattoo. It's a highly prejudicial tattoo that makes DM seem more likely to be guilty, and the leader in this caper, and he did it to himself.

 

[Arnie M]

I personally think that it was artistic licence on the part of the reporter to tie together his tattoo and his spoken words. I doubt that DM was saying that he aspired to be what his tattoos read, personally.
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Are there ANY reports about this case you find acceptable .... or do you think they are all fiction created by artistic reporters ?

 

[swedie]

Hmm...

Despite appearing many times on Millard's behalf in court, Paradkar was never properly retained as his trial lawyer. Despite months of assurances to the court and the Spectator that it would happen soon, it never did. The delay caused speculation that Millard, whose assets were signed over to his mother after his arrest, was unable to pay his legal fees. However, earlier this month Pillay went on record as having been retained by Millard.

http://m.ourwindsor.ca/news-story/5688757-tim-bosma-accused-killer-dellen-millard-gets-a-new-lawyer

 

[Juballee]

Are there ANY reports about this case you find acceptable .... or do you think they are all fiction created by artistic reporters ?

I didn't say that they are all fiction, and frankly I find most of those journalists lacking in creativity. If I were their teacher, there would be very few that received an A, let me put it that way.

 

[Juballee]

I think DM's problem around the tattoos is that it is hard to come up with something than "I am heaven sent, don't you dare forget"

Arrogant:



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arrogant
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogant
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arrogant
http://www.yourdictionary.com/arrogant

Someone who is arrogant would like to be the leader in all cases whether they are capable or not. DM had better stick to long sleeves during the trial, because many ordinary people would be horrified to see him display his arrogance through that tattoo. It's a highly prejudicial tattoo that makes DM seem more likely to be guilty, and the leader in this caper, and he did it to himself.

Maybe AS gave him that tattoo, he was the only one I remember calling DM arrogant who has actually met him, from what I recall.

I remember the realtor saying he was humble, school chums saying he didn't fit in in his rich kid school, a flight instructor who had nice things to say about him, and at least one friend who had said that you wouldn't know he was rich.

I think also the boat operator and even the interviewer never said anything about him being arrogant. I wonder if the guards would be as nice to him if they found him to be arrogant?

When I think about it, really only AS, a disgruntled former employee, and certain participants here are the only places that I recall the word arrogant being used to describe him. And just because he has a tattoo.

What if instead of being just a song lyric, it was also something his mother whispered to him every night when she tucked him in as a child? Would that still be arrogant?

I maintain that without knowing why someone got a tattoo and what it meant, it's meaningless to use it to judge someone.

Tattoos: it doesn't matter what you pick, some people will always judge you for it.

All my opinion only.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I didn't say that they are all fiction, and frankly I find most of those journalists lacking in creativity. If I were their teacher, there would be very few that received an A, let me put it that way.

ABro would get an A because she writes understandable and not an ambiguous tangle as some others.

 

[Arnie M]

ABro would get an A because she writes understandable and not an ambiguous tangle as some others.

AMEN to that

 

[SnooperDuper]

I didn't say that they are all fiction, and frankly I find most of those journalists lacking in creativity. If I were their teacher, there would be very few that received an A, let me put it that way.

I think the Daily Mail is incredibly creative http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...R-police-link-slayings-father-girlfriend.html they always have a well-balanced one glaring error per article (this one says DM is pleading guilty.)

Also JW of the Sun is pretty creative http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/tim-bosmas-murder-may-have-been-thrill-kill-source

WS to me is like a wiki-blog, that is a blog because people comment on articles and offer opinion, a wiki because it is a mass effort. I think there are some pretty creative people here

Who do you think has done the best job of covering the story so far? What are people missing - if you were the journalist offering commentary and thought leadership, what is the message that should be going out there?

 

[Juballee]

I point that out because I took a direct quote by Dellen which you tried to attribute to a reporters imagination.

“I aspired to that image in some ways because people wanted that of me,” he says pulling up his orange sleeves, revealing large tattoos across both arms that read “I am heaven sent” and “Don’t you dare forget.”
“I threw some parties. I tried to make that a reality for my friends.”

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In The Tim Bosma murder case I have found the journalism has been held to a very high standard by competent people , some of whom know much more that we do about this case.

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I was never under the impression that DM said to the reporter "I aspired to that image in some ways because people wanted that of me, I am heaven sent, don't you dare forget. I threw some parties, I tried to make that a reality for my friends."

First of all that wouldn't make any sense as a spoken paragraph in English. Secondly, the fact that he rolled his sleeves up doesn't mean that the tattooed words revealed on his arm then became the words from his mouth.

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[Deleted member 102539]

I think the Daily Mail is incredibly creative http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...R-police-link-slayings-father-girlfriend.html they always have a well-balanced one glaring error per article (this one says DM is pleading guilty.)

Also JW of the Sun is pretty creative http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/tim-bosmas-murder-may-have-been-thrill-kill-source

WS to me is like a wiki-blog, that is a blog because people comment on articles and offer opinion, a wiki because it is a mass effort. I think there are some pretty creative people here

Who do you think has done the best job of covering the story so far? What are people missing - if you were the journalist offering commentary and thought leadership, what is the message that should be going out there?

ABro would get an A from me as a journalist who writes understandable and without ambiguous muddle like the others.

 

[swedie]

I was never under the impression that DM said to the reporter "I aspired to that image in some ways because people wanted that of me, I am heaven sent, don't you dare forget. I threw some parties, I tried to make that a reality for my friends."

First of all that wouldn't make any sense as a spoken paragraph in English. Secondly, the fact that he rolled his sleeves up doesn't mean that the tattooed words revealed on his arm then became the words from his mouth.

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I am very much under the impression DM indicated all this and then some to the reporter. Narcissism at its finest. Rolling up his sleeves was his way of revealing a tad bit of his true self and also trying to show/confirm the ambition tattoo which made newspaper headlines. He was taunting the reporter IMO. We mustn't forget, DM wants to tell his story so I bet he was pretty talkative, revealing a lot of info. Of course not about the murder itself, just all about him. He would have definitely loved the attention, that's a for sure. Must talk like a trooper whenever he gets those far and few between visits. MOO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

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I am the last person to add imaginary coincidences into anything , but I cherry picked a few additional verses from that song that seem to fit in an eerie kind of way ....

.

I am heaven sent,
Don't you dare forget.
I am all you've ever wanted,
What all the other boys all promised.
Sorry I told. I just needed you to know.
I think in decimals and dollars.

I am the cause to all your problems,
Shelter from cold. we are never alone.
Coordinate brain and mouth.
Then ask me whats it like to have
Myself so figured out.
I wish I knew..

This is war.
Every line is about,
Who I don't wanna write about anymore.
Hope you come down with something
They can't diagnose, don't have the cure for.
Holding on to your grudge.
Oh its so hard to have someone to love.
And keeping quiet is hard.
Cause you cant keep a secret
If it never was a secret to start.
At least pretend you didn't wanna get caught

Oh, we're so c-c-c-c-c-controversial.
We are entirely smooth.
We admit to the truth,
We are the best at what we do

This is the grace that only we can bestow.
This is the price you pay for loss of control.
This is the break in the bend,
This is the closest of calls.
This is the reason you're alone,
This is the rise and the fall.

Pretty clear what that song is about and who it was written for.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I think DM's problem around the tattoos is that it is hard to come up with something than "I am heaven sent, don't you dare forget"

Arrogant:



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arrogant
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogant
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arrogant
http://www.yourdictionary.com/arrogant

Someone who is arrogant would like to be the leader in all cases whether they are capable or not. DM had better stick to long sleeves during the trial, because many ordinary people would be horrified to see him display his arrogance through that tattoo. It's a highly prejudicial tattoo that makes DM seem more likely to be guilty, and the leader in this caper, and he did it to himself.

I highly doubt that the many will think him more likely to be guilty because he has a song tattoo on his arms. The jury will probably be paying attention to the other horrifying things they will be hearing, rather than being concerned about what the song may or may not have meant to him or said about his personality.

JMO