Remains found confirmed as Jacob Wetterling/Suspect led LE to Remains #1

[otto]

Dru's phone was found by her body when she was found by searchers in the spring. It was never traced to a field. Not sure what you mean by 'her car was gone'. Her car was towed the next morning from the Mall parking lot.

I recall a trace between her phone and area where she was found ... going by memory, but I think they were unable to locate the phone based on the trace. She was found when the snow melted.

Was her car in the parking lot, or in the parking lot across the street? Her blood was found in the back seat of her car.

 

[Rocco]

I recall a trace between her phone and area where she was found ... going by memory, but I think they were unable to locate the phone based on the trace. She was found when the snow melted.

Was her car in the parking lot, or in the parking lot across the street? Her blood was found in the back seat of her car.

Her car was in the Mall parking lot. I was there when it was towed. The blood was in AR's car--not hers.

 

[otto]

Her car was in the Mall parking lot. I was there when it was towed. The blood was in AR's car--not hers.

I must have the car confused with another case.

"Bloodstains matching Dru Sjodin’s blood type were found in the car of Alfonso Rodriguez Jr., the repeat sex offender charged with abducting her outside a Grand Forks mall, sources close to the investigation said Thursday.

That evidence is perhaps the most revealing detail in the case that North Dakota authorities are building against the 50-year-old Rodriguez, who has been charged with kidnapping in the University of North Dakota student’s disappearance two weeks ago."

http://www.twincities.com/2013/09/25/dru-sjodins-blood-matched-stain-in-suspects-car-sources-say/

Quite right. Her blood was found in the backseat of her abductor's vehicle.

She was unable escape, and it's very likely that an 11 year old child could escape a sadist like that.

 

[CrimeSolver]

Jacob was found here. I could be wrong on the exact spot but the media focused in on those trees specifically.

Actually, going by the news videos, I think his remains were found where my yellow arrow is pointing, considerably farther back from the road.

I didn't hear about this until half-heartedly and futilely checking the forum for updates, as I do every few days. What a heartbreaking shock! I have followed the Wetterling case since the very start, when I saw a report about it on Inside Edition. I was a lad just a couple of years older than him, and the horrifying details of the abduction have never left me, because it could have happened to any of us carefree children riding our bikes to the store.
Nonetheless, I think the discovery of his remains can only be a positive thing in the long run. Did anyone actually believe he was still alive? Let the Wetterlings now be enveloped by the love and sympathy of the community, near and far. Let them put their cherished child to rest.

 

[otto]

Heinrich is a sadist who attacked male children for his own pleasure.

"Investigators thought it probable the same man had abducted both Jacob and Jared, based on the crimes’ similarities, and saw Heinrich as “a likely suspect,” said Al Garber, the FBI investigator who supervised the Wetterling case, “so we investigated with everything that we could.”
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One day, Heinrich invited Wall and her two sons, then about 11 and 14 years old, over to see the knife collection he had covering his walls. It was extensive. Machetes, swords, daggers. He chuckled about how he had been a suspect in the Wetterling investigation. “I remember that being kind of strange,” said Wall, now 51. “You’ve got all these knives and swords and now you’re telling us that you were a suspect in Jacob Wetterling’s abduction?”
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State court records show no charges against Danny Heinrich for decades. That changed in 2015, after authorities matched Heinrich’s DNA to evidence found on the sweatshirt Scheierl was wearing during the 1989 assault. Investigators then searched Heinrich’s home, discovering computer folders and 19 three-ring binders containing child pornography — the crux of the charges against him.
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Heinrich sexualized the kids he filmed, zooming in on their buttocks and genital areas, the charges say. He baited newspaper boys, dropping coins on stairs so that he could capture them bending over to get them, according to the documents. Investigators also found four bins of boys’ clothing.

http://www.startribune.com/behind-the-person-of-interest-in-the-wetterling-investigation/364008661/

 

[human]

A safistic one is one who likes to kill for the pleasure. Like a Ted Bundy.

There are those that kill to cover up evidence. They don't do it for the thrill and satisfaction killing gives them. BTK is another one who loved to kill.

I don't think Heinrich loves to kill. I don't think his motivation is the killing

 

[human]

Someone brought this up earlier and it is an excellent point. What is it with him and farms.

He brought Jared to a farm. He waited at the Rassiers. He buried Jacob at that farm.

When he took Jared, he mentioned the Kramer name so for some reason he had familiarity with that neighborhood.

Es he familiar with the farms and why?

 

[otto]

A safistic one is one who likes to kill for the pleasure. Like a Ted Bundy.

There are those that kill to cover up evidence. They don't do it for the thrill and satisfaction killing gives them. BTK is another one who loved to kill.

I don't think Heinrich loves to kill. I don't think his motivation is the killing

There's sadism, and there's masochism. In role play, the sadist like to mete out punishment while the masochist likes to experience pain as pleasure. In the case of a man abducting an 11 year old boy, I don't think there's any question about whether the adult male will impose his sexual will on the terrified child.

Ted Bundy, Russell Williams, they both escalated their behaviour over time. They were sexual predators, just like Danny Heinrich, who stalked and killed people. How is Heinrich different?

 

[neesaki]

There are the sadistic ones who enjoy the killing. He does not appear to be that kind.

Yet what he did was sadistic. So where did he draw the line? Just a question in my own mind. jmo

 

[Mariposa]

I don't post very often, mostly lurk. But having spent my first 32 years as a Minnesotan and being only a few years older than Jacob, also growing up in small town Minnesota this case is close to my heart and I though I could clear some things up. For all those wondering about the farming connection (lots of different farms involved in the cases), this is not unexpected. This area is farm country. Your only two options are town or farm. The only remote areas in this area are "on a farm". The fact that the abductions and burial happened on a farm probably has more to do with the fact that it would be much more likely to be seen in town than some strange obsessions or connection with farms. No joke, pretty much all the land not in town is someone's farm. And as to why the owner wouldn't notice? Farms stretch over miles and nighttime is black, no visibility. It would be very easy to go unnoticed. I'm very glad this case has a resolution but so very sad it ended like this. This case has haunted Minnesota for decades. My mother-in-law still has her Jacob's Hope pin displayed in her house. We all feel like we know Patty Wetterling, she has been such an advocate for Minnesotas children. At least now they can bring him home.

I agree totally as a Minnesotan I do not think this guy had a "thing" with farms-- Stearns Co area is known t be extremely rural and agricultural in character and if he was driving outside of the small towns such Paynesville or Cold Spring he would immediately be in proximity to farm land.

ETA: Stearns actually has the most farms of any county in Minnesota--over 3500
http://www.minnesotafarmguide.com/n...cle_8d0d045a-ae40-11e4-ad1a-738d247e9421.html

 

[neesaki]

I recall a trace between her phone and area where she was found ... going by memory, but I think they were unable to locate the phone based on the trace. She was found when the snow melted.

Was her car in the parking lot, or in the parking lot across the street? Her blood was found in the back seat of her car.

Please forgive me, but isn't this about Jacob Wetterling's case? I'm confused with the discussion of other cases that have, or at least seem to to have, nothing to do with this case. Maybe I'm confused.

 

[otto]

Someone brought this up earlier and it is an excellent point. What is it with him and farms.

He brought Jared to a farm. He waited at the Rassiers. He buried Jacob at that farm.

When he took Jared, he mentioned the Kramer name so for some reason he had familiarity with that neighborhood.

Es he familiar with the farms and why?

I think there's a good chance that Danny knew someone who lived at the farm where the body was found - perhaps a former classmate. Alternatively he was very brazen going to a nearby rural area and burying a body behind the trees.

He pulled his car to the January victim, asked him if he knew where "Kramer" - or something like that - lived. When the 12 year old child answered the question, he was grabbed an put into the car. He was told to cover his head with something, and to lie in the back seat of the car. The mention of the name Kramer was an obvious tactic that Heinrich learned to create a situation where the child was speaking to him, as though speaking to a parent, and he was hauled into the vehicle ... my opinion.

Hiding on the side of a rural road to capture someone is not that unusual. Sierah Joughlin was abducted from a road in the corn fields to a farm by a man who knew about farms.

If a body is found at an abandoned day camp, does that mean that the person had some involvement with those day camps?

 

[otto]

Please forgive me, but I'm confused with the discussion of other cases that have, or at least seem to to have, nothing to do with this case. I guess I'm not familiar with those cases, so that's why I feel like I'm in the dark?

I have mentioned other cases to demonstrate a point. Dru Sjodin was a capable, employed, sober student from a good family when she was abducted from a mall parking lot. I mention her to demonstrate the point that an 11 year old child cannot defend himself from an experienced predator. I mention Morgan Harrington to demonstrate that people, even children, can be forced to walk through a field to where the body is found. I mention the injuries to her body to demonstrate that neither compliance nor an instinct to flee can quiet the sadist - and I do believe that Heinrich looked for a masochist. If he couldn't find one, he probably chose a child.

The search warrant clearly reveals an escalation of deviant behaviour from Heinrich starting before the age of 18. He joined the military and committed the murder of Jacob during his tour. Russell Williams was the Colonel of the Canadian Army, having met the Queen of England, when he committed an escalating series of stalking, break-ins, assaults, and murders.

http://www.startribune.com/behind-the-person-of-interest-in-the-wetterling-investigation/364008661/

... the bigger picture

 

[neesaki]

I have mentioned other cases to demonstrate a point. Dru Sjodin was a capable, employed, sober student from a good family when she was abducted from a mall parking lot. I mention her to demonstrate the point that an 11 year old child cannot defend himself from an experienced predator. I mention Morgan Harrington to demonstrate that people, even children, can be forced to walk through a field to where the body is found. I mention the injuries to her body to demonstrate that neither compliance nor an instinct to flee can quiet the sadist - and I do believe that Heinrich looked for a masochist. If he couldn't find one, he probably chose a child.

The search warrant clearly reveals an escalation of deviant behaviour from Heinrich starting before the age of 18. He joined the military and committed the murder of Jacob during his tour. Russell Williams was the Colonel of the Canadian Army, having met the Queen of England, when he committed an escalating series of stalking, break-ins, assaults, and murders.

http://www.startribune.com/behind-the-person-of-interest-in-the-wetterling-investigation/364008661/

... the bigger picture

Thank you for your response. But is there evidence that Heinrich was a masochist? Just because he was a pedophile? The other cases you discuss don't seem to have much to do with this case. I really think there's no need to over complicate it. Heinrich is a pedophile, period. And yes, a SADISTIC one. And he carried it far enough to MURDER an eleven year old boy.

 

[otto]

Danny Heinrich born 1963, enlisted in the military age 19 in 1982, honorably discharged 1991 ... rank from Specialist to Private and back to Specialist.

Danny had nine years in the military and practice grabbing children. What are the chances that Jacob Wetterling got out of his clutches after the gun was waved?

 

[otto]

Thank you for your response. But is there evidence that Heinrich was a masochist? Just because he was a pedophile? The other cases you discuss don't seem to have much to do with this case. I really think there's no need to over complicate it. Heinrich is a pedophile, period. And yes, a SADISTIC one. And he carried it far enough to MURDER an eleven year old boy.

Didn't I describe him as a sadist who preyed on pre-adolescent boys ... parked his car nearby, tackled children? ... not a masochist.

Perhaps you misunderstood what I wrote. I suggested that Heinrich, a sadist, looked for a masochist, and barring that he would abduct a child.

I'm interested in patterns of behavior - and apologize for providing examples that are unfamiliar.

 

[neesaki]

Didn't I describe him as a sadist who preyed on young boys?

Are you saying he's sadistic or masochistic? I truly don't believe he's both. Sadistic, no doubt.

 

[otto]

Are you saying he's sadistic or masochistic? I truly don't believe he's both. Sadistic, no doubt.

Any man who abducts women and children is sadistic.

That he was military at the time of the abduction, and that he practiced abducting and assaulting children for two years before Jacob was abducted ... Jacob didn't have a chance. That much seems obvious. Additionally, Jacob was probably murdered before the sun came up ... that's what usually happens with sexual predators ... the longer the predator has the victim, the less likely the victim is alive.

What if his best friend and younger brother had not been scared off. Would Heinrich have shot them?

 

[human]

Didn't I describe him as a sadist who preyed on pre-adolescent boys ... parked his car nearby, tackled children? ... not a masochist.

Perhaps you misunderstood what I wrote. I suggested that Heinrich, a sadist, looked for a masochist, and barring that he would abduct a child.

I'm interested in patterns of behavior - and apologize for providing examples that are unfamiliar.

I have the same problem. Making correlations and patterns. It makes perfect sense to me but I think it is a way of looking at things that perhaps is not common to many. I am always surprised when people berate me for making correlations and patterns. It is nice to see someone else who sees the world in this way.

I think a lot of discoveries are made by people that see patterns.

 

[human]

I think there's a good chance that Danny knew someone who lived at the farm where the body was found - perhaps a former classmate. Alternatively he was very brazen going to a nearby rural area and burying a body behind the trees.

He pulled his car to the January victim, asked him if he knew where "Kramer" - or something like that - lived. When the 12 year old child answered the question, he was grabbed an put into the car. He was told to cover his head with something, and to lie in the back seat of the car. The mention of the name Kramer was an obvious tactic that Heinrich learned to create a situation where the child was speaking to him, as though speaking to a parent, and he was hauled into the vehicle ... my opinion.

Hiding on the side of a rural road to capture someone is not that unusual. Sierah Joughlin was abducted from a road in the corn fields to a farm by a man who knew about farms.

If a body is found at an abandoned day camp, does that mean that the person had some involvement with those day camps?

Since he was not from that town, it is of interest that he knew the Kramer house. What connection does he have to those farms?