Repercussions for those close to JAG

[Leila]

How do you know the victim had to move? I hope that is not true.

In the probation report there's a statement from the father of the 13-year-old victim in the 2000 case. The victim was very uncomfortable living in that neighborhood after she was assaulted. The mother took the victim to San Francisco to stay with relatives while the father took care of finding a new home for the family.

 

[eyes4crime]

In the probation report there's a statement from the father of the 13-year-old victim in the 2000 case. The victim was very uncomfortable living in that neighborhood after she was assaulted. The mother took the victim to San Francisco to stay with relatives while the father took care of finding a new home for the family.

My heart aches for her - she had a horrific experience at a tender young age! She found herself fending off a monster! MOO mho jmo jmho

 

[Leila]

I think it would be very difficult for co-workers to work with the mother at this point. Her field of psychiatric nursing is in dealing with sex offenders, and since she didn't make wise professional decisions in dealing with her own son, her opinion on how to handle a patient would be questionable.

I think we're seeing a level of anger with those around the mother and stepfather. First it was the neighbors and the graffiti on the garage door, and now the mother's co-workers at the hospital.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

How do you know the victim had to move? I hope that is not true.

http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/03/616_1268174618.pdf

On page 5 there is a bit of information on what effect the attack had on the victim and her family, as stated by the victim's father:

"His family had to move from the home in which they were living. Being at home was like being in jail. His daughter also had to change schools. This case has hurt the family financially. He had to break his lease when he moved."

 

[Curious Me]

I think it would be very difficult for co-workers to work with the mother at this point. Her field of psychiatric nursing is in dealing with sex offenders, and since she didn't make wise professional decisions in dealing with her own son, her opinion on how to handle a patient would be questionable.
I think we're seeing a level of anger with those around the mother and stepfather. First it was the neighbors and the graffiti on the garage door, and now the mother's co-workers at the hospital.

Well said, Leila.

My friend, who isn't even following this case that much, called me after she saw the news. It is shocking to say the least to see and hear about the group very closely connected to the accused sexual offender killer. My friend complained on and on about how wrong it would be to have the mother keep her position. She thinks the employer was insensitive to other employees by allowing that meeting to begin with, and should have not even considered letting the mother back at work. Says anyone who had a similar problem would not want to seek help from someone who obviously is unaware of the correct treatment for a RSO. My friend wants the mother arrested! She feels the mother must have figured out it could be her son who attacked on Dec 27th, and that you'd have to be a complete idiot to not consider it was the son. It could have saved Chelsea's life if the mother used her professional knowledge to get the right help for her son ASAP, but instead went running with her group. My friend is an average citizen and I was surprised at how upset and angry she is over this. This is not going to blow over.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Can't help but notice that 'mom' is getting 100% of the blame here - what about the male family member who molested JAG? What about the father who couldn't handle young kids? What about putting 100% of the blame on JAG? MOO

JAG's father didn't allow him to live in his home against the terms of his SO registration. There is some indication that the bio father was actually pushed out of his son's life by JAG's mother. Frankly, I do not know what happened but I do know his father wasn't the one who raised him. JAG was the one who stated his father couldn't handle young kids....in the same report that he outright lied about what had occured with the child he molested. (Not going to put much weight on that unless something comes out in the media to prove it.) Further, we heard from a relative on KFI that stated JAG was out of control and aggressive when he was very young.

I wouldn't be too surprised if he was molested but this is the first I am hearing of it and, again, it is from JAG himself. He was raised almost exclusively by his mother and the men she brough into his life, not his father.

Yes, JAG is 100% responsible for his crimes however his mother is responsible for her portion of helping create the man/monster he is.

 

[Curious Me]

Everything is JMO here and I'm always open to trying to see this from other angles.

As I understand it, helicopters were going overhead describing the attacker on Dec 27th, or at least giving the neighbors a warning to keep their eyes open for this predator. I believe the group including the mother were hearing about this attack on the jogger on the same trails. Many people, not just me, are going to keep questioning why it never crossed her mind that it could be her son attacking young women joggers. She is somewhat guilty, as well, for not making that rather obvious connection. As far as I'm concerned, from that point forward she was knowingly harboring a out of control Violent Sex Offender in her home, hiding his true identity. Chelsea's death could have been prevented had the parent(s) done anything to stop him. Blood on their hands too, if you examine this carefully.

 

[eyes4crime]

IMO Chelsea's death, along with Amber's murder (if Jag responsible) and all the trauma the 13yo and other young girls encountered could have been prevented by so many, including LE. Of course, the family unit has played a role in raising a 'monster' but are they guilty? And if so, of what?

IMO if JAG told someone about a family member sexually abusing him, that is not a lie. Boys would rather make up a 100 things before telling anyone about their sexual abuse. I believe it happened and repeated sex abuse could account for many of his childhood symptoms. Over and over in sex crimes, you see the family protecting the perp - they live with, and are sheltered by, parents, sister, nieces, nephews, grandparents etc. Family guilt can explain a lot. MOO

With that said, I honestly didn't know JAG lived with his mom when he got out of prison. Also, I didn't know she worked exclusively with SO - that alone gives JAG a 'safe' appearance to others - we here at websleuth know there is no cure, but the rest of the world doesn't know that. I wonder what 'cure' is put forth at the hospital mom works? MOO

I'm sorry saying mom isn't guilty - I didn't know he lived with her and that she hid and harrbored a SO for what, 3 or 4 years. That does make a difference in blame. However, JAG is the one who raped, tormented, and murdered - that alone belongs to him. MHO

 

[concentric]

What I don't understand is why NG or JVM aren't commenting on this topic. Were they advised not to bring it up?

 

[Curious Me]

We always know things before them, but I, too, wonder why they aren't touching it. The group fits under the umbrella of a larger international club and perhaps that's why for now. Legal advice? Don't worry though in a few days it'll be an issue or bombshell.

 

[Curious Me]

JVM is coming on now. She's going to talk about Gardner being a father of twins. Now, I am praying they leave the twins and their mother alone. Some people, innocent, will be hurt by the actions of this one person. The ripple effect is still rippling.



Okay...so far, JVM with no clue about that particular group other than the drinking and running part, but not the photos on the news as we were seeing and discussing. But wait, someone will tell JVM the rest of the story soon.

Chelsea's Memorial Service is tomorrow. Chelsea's gone, Amber's gone, and I suspect a lot of people aren't going to calm down about it anytime soon.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

What I don't understand is why NG or JVM aren't commenting on this topic. Were they advised not to bring it up?

Maybe they are members? :waitasec: (kidding)

 

[Ghostwheel]

Friend remembers 'wild and crazy' Gardner
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/12/gardnerfriend/

 

[MCDRAW]

I'm not one to blame parents for the crimes of their children. I just believe that everyone makes their own choices regardless of their up bringing. The fact that his Mom is a psychiatric nurse that works with RSO's does give me pause. I wonder could she not see the signs because it was her son? Or did she see the signs but refused to accept them? You would think his arrest for the molestation of the 13 year old would have been a huge wake up call. I'm really thinking for her to ever be respected again, she will need to find a new profession.

 

[primetimemom]

I'm not one to blame parents for the crimes of their children. I just believe that everyone makes their own choices regardless of their up bringing. The fact that his Mom is a psychiatric nurse that works with RSO's does give me pause. I wonder could she not see the signs because it was her son? Or did she see the signs but refused to accept them? You would think his arrest for the molestation of the 13 year old would have been a huge wake up call. I'm really thinking for her to ever be respected again, she will need to find a new profession.

Good point McDraw. As a parent of grown children myself I do not always agree with their choices, yet I would be the first to sound the alarm if I thought they were responsible for a crime against another person. I would be HYPER aware if they had a prior conviction for sexual abuse and I can not understand why the mother did not have the same sensibility. The only thing I can think of is complete denial. She does need to be re-assigned in her job IMO.

 

[Leila]

There's other areas of psychiatric care that the mother could work in - drug or alcohol abuse for instance. I don't see any way she could return to working with sex offenders as she wouldn't be deemed credible by any co-workers who are aware of her family background.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

There's other areas of psychiatric care that the mother could work in - drug or alcohol abuse for instance. I don't see any way she could return to working with sex offenders as she wouldn't be deemed credible by any co-workers who are aware of her family background.

I am not so sure counseling others on alcohol abuse would be a good career move for her.

 

[LittleMsFortune]

While I do think "Mommy Dearest" should share some of the responsibility of her son's actions- what about his girlfriend/mother of his twins? The black sedan is hers and she obviously knew he was driving it- how much does she know?? Where did she think JAG was going everytime he left in it? Maybe he lied and said was working? What did she drive when he had her car- does she have a job?
At the very least she had to know he was a RSO right? They lived together in Esco then he moved out but she still let him drive her car?! Maybe she just recently found out- or didn't want to believe JAG was really doing all these terrible things... Could JAG have had everyone THAT snowballed into believing he was a totally different person?! Doesn't seem like he is all that cunning- smooth talker/pathological liar definately... I think Ambers tip may have come from the girlfriend- time to shake her down and find out what the hell was going on in JAGs life!
Shake "Mommy Dearest" down too- she either helped to cover up JAGs monster tendencies or knows A LOT more than she wants people to believe- something not right about her for sure...

Ugh- sooo many questions, not enough answers!!

This article was really interesting and got me thinking- sorry for the tirade lol

http://theenterprisereport.typepad....ea-king-and-the-missing-link-a-black-car.html

 

[MCDRAW]

While I do think "Mommy Dearest" should share some of the responsibility of her son's actions- what about his girlfriend/mother of his twins? The black sedan is hers and she obviously knew he was driving it- how much does she know?? Where did she think JAG was going everytime he left in it? Maybe he lied and said was working? What did she drive when he had her car- does she have a job?
At the very least she had to know he was a RSO right? They lived together in Esco then he moved out but she still let him drive her car?! Maybe she just recently found out- or didn't want to believe JAG was really doing all these terrible things... Could JAG have had everyone THAT snowballed into believing he was a totally different person?! Doesn't seem like he is all that cunning- smooth talker/pathological liar definately... I think Ambers tip may have come from the girlfriend- time to shake her down and find out what the hell was going on in JAGs life!
Shake "Mommy Dearest" down too- she either helped to cover up JAGs monster tendencies or knows A LOT more than she wants people to believe- something not right about her for sure...

Ugh- sooo many questions, not enough answers!!

This article was really interesting and got me thinking- sorry for the tirade lol

http://theenterprisereport.typepad....ea-king-and-the-missing-link-a-black-car.html

If the girlfriend knew about Amber, and from the news article it appears she did, then I believe she has blood on her hands too. She would have had to known the exact location. At any time she could have made an anonymous tip. I believe he could have had her fooled and she could have just pieced it together except for the exact location of Amber's body. She couldn't have just pieced that together. JAG made his choices and he is responsible but if his Mother or girlfriend had made different choices the outcome may have been different.

 

[Leila]

While I do think "Mommy Dearest" should share some of the responsibility of her son's actions- what about his girlfriend/mother of his twins? The black sedan is hers and she obviously knew he was driving it- how much does she know?? Where did she think JAG was going everytime he left in it? Maybe he lied and said was working? What did she drive when he had her car- does she have a job?
At the very least she had to know he was a RSO right? They lived together in Esco then he moved out but she still let him drive her car?! Maybe she just recently found out- or didn't want to believe JAG was really doing all these terrible things... Could JAG have had everyone THAT snowballed into believing he was a totally different person?! Doesn't seem like he is all that cunning- smooth talker/pathological liar definately... I think Ambers tip may have come from the girlfriend- time to shake her down and find out what the hell was going on in JAGs life!
Shake "Mommy Dearest" down too- she either helped to cover up JAGs monster tendencies or knows A LOT more than she wants people to believe- something not right about her for sure...

Ugh- sooo many questions, not enough answers!!

This article was really interesting and got me thinking- sorry for the tirade lol

http://theenterprisereport.typepad....ea-king-and-the-missing-link-a-black-car.html

The relative that was interviewed on the John and Ken program was obviously a long term relative, as he related an incident that happened when he was babysitting with JAG who was then 8-years-old. The relative said that the extended family was told that the 2000 incident in which the 13-year-old was molested was different from what we now know. He was told that the 13-year-old made advances toward JAG, then said she was raped, and later recanted.

Obviously the 2000 molestation was downplayed by the immediate family - JAG and his mother/stepfather. So, it's not likely the girlfriend knew the real circumstances if she even knew he was an RSO. If she knew he was an RSO, she was probably told it was all a big mistake.

The girlfriend is young, and probably believed what she was told. But, I do think she had clues somewhere along the line that something wasn't right. According to the relative that was interviewed on the radio program, in February JAG's girlfriend broke up with him, he was in a car accident and his car (the gold one) was totaled, and he was kicked out of his grandmother's house.

The girlfriend probably can give LE some good solid information about JAG.