Report on 911 tape

[Shylock]

Burke was entitled to anything that was claimed by anyone to be a statement made by him. Any claim was enough for the judge to rule the tape turned over to Burke via his lawyer.

And people just go around making up fake recorded conversations of 10 year old little boys, don't they....

What's your excuse for the 4-second gap in the 911 tape where John and Burke's voices were redacted, LovelyPigeon? You know, the missing 4-seconds of sound right after Patsy's "help me Jesus" cries--right where John and Burke's voices supposedly appear. Is that due to some kind of "wardrobe malfunction" or what?

Actually, I'm just amazed that the Ramsey supporters have finally had to breakdown and admit that they can hear Patsy talking to Jesus at the end of the tape. For years they claimed that the tape was "mud" and NONE of the three Ramsey voices were on it. I wonder which recipe for crow they like best.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

I don't have an "excuse" nor do I need one for a "4-second gap". I have seen no evidence that anything was "redacted".

The tape is just what it is and nothing more.

I don't know that "Help me, Jesus" is even Patsy's voice. It may be the dispatcher's voice.

And for what it's worth, I doubt that "hon we need 'em" is the phrase preceeding "Police".

 

[Watching you]

LP, it's Patsy's voice. I heard it. It's Patsy. I don't ask or expect you take my word for it. But, I know what I know. Besides, what reason would the dispatcher have to be chanting/moaning Help me, Jesus?

 

[Shylock]

I don't have an "excuse" nor do I need one for a "4-second gap". I have seen no evidence that anything was "redacted".

The 4-second gap IS the evidence that something was redacted. (Unless you can come up with some reason that a perfectly functioning tape recorder would suddenly stop recording BOTH sides of the conversation--record 4-seconds of complete silence--then start recording ambient noise again.

And for what it's worth, I doubt that "hon we need 'em" is the phrase preceeding "Police".

I doubt it too, and so did Thomas, who marked whatever Patsy mumbles before the word "Police!" as being "inaudable".
In fact, if you listen closely to the version released on CD, Patsy starts to say [whatever it is she mumbles] as soon as the phone is answered. She gets the "hon" part out, then is interupted by the dispatcher saying "911 Emergency".

 

[Show Me]

LP, it's Patsy's voice. I heard it. It's Patsy. I don't ask or expect you take my word for it. But, I know what I know. Besides, what reason would the dispatcher have to be chanting/moaning Help me, Jesus?

Maybe the dispatcher was sick and tired of the Ramsey's 911 calls and exasperated mumbled 'Help me Jesus' multiple times? LOL

I heard it too and so did my husband quite plainly...and it sounds just like Patsy! So unless Patsy has an identical twin as a dispatcher, who else can it be?

I suggest people listen to the tape Tricia has, then make up your own minds.

 

[sissi]

Watching you,it's in there,keep reading...it appears Shylock found it!
Shylock,you read it and say this?
IMO JMO

 

[LovelyPigeon]

The voice is chanting "Help me, Jesus"??

It wouldn't seem unusual to me for a dispatcher who has just been told that a child has been kidnapped and there's a ransom note to say "help me, Jesus"-- unless the dispatcher was Buddhist, that is.

I have to say that I wouldn't recognize Patsy Ramsey's voice.

 

[Shylock]

what reason would the dispatcher have to be chanting/moaning Help me, Jesus?

It's NOT the dispatcher..what next?--maybe it's the cleaning lady trying to get a tough stain out of the rug under the dispatcher's desk?

The dispatcher has a microphone right in front of her mouth. That mic is so sensitive it's picking up the clicking from the keyboard as she is typing. If she even whispered anything, it would come out crystal clear and there would be no doubt it was her.

 

[less0305]

I agree....there's no way the dispatcher said "Help me Jesus" repeatedly. Clearly the only person needing help from Jesus was Patsy! and the rest of the Ramseys.

 

[Jayelles]

The voice is chanting "Help me, Jesus"??

It wouldn't seem unusual to me for a dispatcher who has just been told that a child has been kidnapped and there's a ransom note to say "help me, Jesus"-- unless the dispatcher was Buddhist, that is.

I have to say that I wouldn't recognize Patsy Ramsey's voice.

I thought they were trained to try and keep people calm. Surely that would go against their training?

 

[sissi]

Has anyone ever answered the question....were these recycled tapes?
It is beyond my imagination to think a tape would need to be enhanced to this degree to pick up voices by those in the same room or even the same house ,this hi-tec enhancement may be picking up "noise" from other call ins. Obviously it is up for interpretation or everyone ,including those in the DA's office would have "heard" it.

On this subject ,I do not know,but I thought unless a subject is named "suspect" and a court of law is to decide innocence or guilt,no one would get a copy.
It seems more likely ,IMO,that it was made public because those early interpretations implicated the Ramseys falsely,and it would not at any time be part of a court process,simply because it is garbage. We all had the right to hear it and can wonder just how far this investigation went to pin this crime on the family.
JMO IMO

 

[Watching you]

Watching you,it's in there,keep reading...it appears Shylock found it!
Shylock,you read it and say this?
IMO JMO

sissi, I read the book through when I first got it. I've got good retention skills, and I don't remember anything of the sort in ST's book. I have been through the book several times since. I never saw what you are referring to. Instead of my searching for days for this illusive passage in the book, perhaps you would be good enough to point out the page it's on, since you are the one stating it is there.

Sometimes our memories are not quite accurate - that could be the case here with me. I think it's probably more likely in this case, though, that you might be mistaken, because it goes against everything Steve Thomas tried to do in this case. He was investigating a murder case. Why would he object to having the 911 tape enhanced again if he thought it might help, especially if he was so hot to "get" the Ramseys as the RST seems to think. It wasn't Thomas who was dragging his feet on getting evidence. That honor goes to the DA's office.

 

[Watching you]

Has anyone ever answered the question....were these recycled tapes?
It is beyond my imagination to think a tape would need to be enhanced to this degree to pick up voices by those in the same room or even the same house ,this hi-tec enhancement may be picking up "noise" from other call ins. Obviously it is up for interpretation or everyone ,including those in the DA's office would have "heard" it.

On this subject ,I do not know,but I thought unless a subject is named "suspect" and a court of law is to decide innocence or guilt,no one would get a copy.
It seems more likely ,IMO,that it was made public because those early interpretations implicated the Ramseys falsely,and it would not at any time be part of a court process,simply because it is garbage. We all had the right to hear it and can wonder just how far this investigation went to pin this crime on the family.
JMO IMO

I'm not even sure what you said here, but I don't know why, if you really want to be fair, it's so important to fight what's on the tape. Twisting the facts isn't going to change what Aerospace found on the original tape and what Ginsberg found on perhaps a fifth generation copy of the 911 conversation. Aerospace could lift the male voices from the original tape. Ginsberg could not lift them from the copies he had. That does not mean they weren't there, it just means the copying process made it impossible for him to hear them. What Ginsberg did verify was that Patsy is there at the end of the tape saying Help me, Jesus, just like Thomas reported from the Aerospace-enhanced tape, something Lin Wood denied. If she is there, I have every reason to believe the rest of Thomas's story is also true, and JR and Burke were also at the end of that tape.

The best evidence is still the Aerospace-enhanced tape. As long as that tape is intact (I suspect Aerospace also kept a CYB copy), in the end, that is the only enhanced tape that will be applicable in a court room.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

The grand jury heard the 911 tape. If there were enhanced tapes, I would think they heard those, too. The grand jury investigation was, after all, into the Ramseys possible involvement.

Yet, all the prosecutors involved with the grand jury agreed that there was not sufficient evidence to indict anyone.

If Burke's voice could have been heard on the original tape or any enhanced tapes the jury could easily have brought forth charges.

As we all know, there was no indictment.

 

[Shylock]

If Burke's voice could have been heard on the original tape or any enhanced tapes the jury could easily have brought forth charges.

LovelyPigeon, do you REALLY think it's THAT simple?

Burke's voice IS on the 911 tape, which proves the Ramseys lied about what happened that morning. Does that prove which one of them is responsible for JonBenet's death?--Hardly.

The pineapple also proves they lied. Does it prove which one of them killed JBR?--Not even close.

And what about the note? Asst. DA Hoffstrum said "Just because she wrote the note doesn't mean we can prove a murder."

The Grand Jury had ALL that evidence and more. They knew the Ramseys lied and are involved in their daughter's death. But they also knew you can't just stand three people up in front of a criminal jury and say "Take your pick!"

Without a confession, there will never be enough evidence to prove which of the Ramseys is the one that should be brought to trial. The Ramseys know that, you should too.

 

[Watching you]

First of all, LP, I would like to know how you know what the GJ heard and what they didn't hear.

Second of all, I agree with Shylock.

 

[sissi]

Watching You,it's in there,I have a memory for things that "make ya go hmm",and recall posting the page,concerning this huge hmmm, a few months ago on a similar thread. Does this forum have archives? Shylock found it in her book,referred to it yesterday,perhaps she would be so kind as to point you there,then you can offer your interpretation . This is an opinion forum,my opinion is exactly as I stated,"Steve was very disturbed that a new enhancement would muddy the waters". If he was correct , he should not have feared this at all. IMO

 

[BlueCrab]

Yet, all the prosecutors involved with the grand jury agreed that there was not sufficient evidence to indict anyone.

LP,

The 12 members of the GJ were the "prosecutors". IMO the GJ didn't indict anyone because the perpetrators were too young to be legally culpable. Children were involved in the death of JonBenet. There was plenty of evidence, and perhaps a confession or two in front of the GJ, but under Colorado law anyone under 10 cannot be criminally charged and their names cannot be released.

Burke was four weeks away from being 10. That put the case totally under the jurisdiction of the DA, Alex Hunter, to do whatever he considered was in the best interests of the children and the public. Hunter followed Colorado law and the court's protective order and covered up everything. He had no choice. Keenan inherited the coverup and by law must keep it going.

JMO

 

[LovelyPigeon]

There's no cover up in the Ramsey case.

Here's some of what Hunter & Kane had to say about the conclusion of the grand jury and no indictment:

"I must report to you that I and my prosecution task [Mike Kane, Mitch Morrissey and Bruce Levin] force believe we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who has been investigated at the present time.''


"Theories are not what we take into courtrooms; evidence is what we take into courtrooms. It is fundamental to the justice system that we rely on evidence, even in cases where the entire American public is asking for justice.'' -Alex Hunter

Mike Kane:
"There was absolutely no dissent in any respect to the decision made in this case. . . . Without a doubt this case at this time isn't fileable" - Mike Kane

 

[LovelyPigeon]

WY, I believe the grand jury heard the 911 tape at least once during the course of their term.

Is there some reason for anyone to believe they did not?