Reported/Possible sightings of Elizabeth and/or Gabriel from 12/18 to 12/30

[BeanE]

What about phones? I don't recall anything. Nevermind, I think you mean phone calls.

LOL I was sleepy when I typed that! I did mean phone calls

 

[kissdegirl]

I would take a look at it without Six Flags. It doesn't look like Elizabeth was ever at Six Flags.

Here is just plugging the Subway in at "E". If going to the hair salon, you can see how out of the way it would be. So, it seems to me there was a reason for her to be in that area. Maybe a babysitter nearby, the couple, HG, someone staying at a hotel near there?

Does LE know who she was talking on the phone to all that time? TS and JM maybe? Getting legal advice per TS?

Map Link

 

[kissdegirl]

Another route, still out of the way, but seems more direct, yet avoiding the highway.
Just wanted to point out again, the only confirmed sightings on this map are at "A", "D", and "E".
"C" is a library, and "B" is a Social Security office.

Map Link

 

[BeanE]

The Motel 6 and Tornado Bus are two more sightings. Addresses are in the Important Links sticky thread.

Do we have an address for the Jack in the Box she went to?

We could see what laundromats are near the hotel but I just checked and still nothing in the news on that.

I think we need a recap post to list all the sightings to date. I keep having to search back and strain my brain lol.

Would be good to have a post with all the sightings, date of sighting, and source link then we could just refer back to that.

Off the top of my head:

In the parking lot w/HG and couple Dec 25

In the SUV w/HG date?

Twice with the HG at unpublished places. Don't know if the SUV sighting is included in this date range in the case calendar.

Motel 6 Dec 27

Tornado Bus station Dec 27

Jack in the Box Dec 25

Subway date?

Laundromat Dec 26

Hair salon Dec 22

Shopping at unknown place morning of Dec 27

seen by babysitter at hotel room Dec 21

seen by housekeepers the day she left Gabe in the car for 10 minutes

seen by hotel clerk when she went to the desk to get towels

 

[BeanE]

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[Prof]

We do not know which of many libraries EJ went to right?
Why would EJ go to a social security office? Walk right in and ask to change her SS#?

I still think it is safe to assume that EJ had multiple days of babysitting plenty of time to get all around SA

I have seen many news reports of EJ seen on a Six Flags tape ---here a just a few different sources

http://www.kpho.com/news/22494558/detail.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/09/crimesider/entry6190388.shtml

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/05/ng.01.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/09/ng.01.html

As far as I know LE had only denied there being a video tape of EJ in the hotel she stayed at

So how are we defining "confirmed" ?

 

[Prof]

I will add what we have to the Google map

 

[b4e]

She was also sighted by the pizza delivery guy on the 21st and 24th.

 

[kissdegirl]

We do not know which of many libraries EJ went to right?
Why would EJ go to a social security office? Walk right in and ask to change her SS#?

I still think it is safe to assume that EJ had multiple days of babysitting plenty of time to get all around SA

I have seen many news reports of EJ seen on a Six Flags tape ---here a just a few different sources

http://www.kpho.com/news/22494558/detail.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/09/crimesider/entry6190388.shtml

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/05/ng.01.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/09/ng.01.html

As far as I know LE had only denied there being a video tape of EJ in the hotel she stayed at

So how are we defining "confirmed" ?

Her GF mentions in a video that EJ wanted to change her and Gabe's SSN, so while looking along the possible routes to and from the hotel and the hair salon, that stuck out to me (and there are several hotels right there as well, just sayin'). I wanted to point it out in the hopes that fliers go out in that area as well as LE checking the SS office, just in case. I don't know how far she got with her plan..did she have a fake DL, a birth cert for Gabe, was she able to order new cards for them, where were they sent if so?
The library on that map I made is also very convenient to me.

My kids are sick today, but I hope to work more on a map. I used Prof's to get started. Thanks Prof BTW!

 

[TXHOPE]

I know what you mean about the sightings. There's always a chance the person thinks it was EJ and it wasn't.

Washing his clothes on the 26th would indicate to me that she planned at that point on keeping him with her at least for a while. Or possibly that she planned on giving his clothes along with him to somebody.

Since that was the day she moved over to the Quality Inn and got all the phones and went to Jack in the Box, I'm not sure at what time she would have been doing laundry.

EJ could of easily thought the "couple" was going to take all of Gabriel's belongings at this point and then once the handoff took place the couple could of said-"just Gabriel and the diaper bag with necessities".

 

[Kamille]

That is very interesting about the babysitter being confirmed for the 21st. Since check-in at the hotel is 3:00pm does this mean that EJ checked into the hotel on the 20th? She shouldn't even have had a room by 11:45am on the 21st if they go by their check-in times. Do we know if the babysitter was called early in the morning and came the same day or if she was called before the day she actually babysat?

How sure is missinggabe on this date? The babysitter mentioned the pizza box or boxes. Does this mean EJ ordered pizza on the 20th also?

Was this not also the day that EJ picked up the new Cricket phone as per yellowsubmarine? And there is a Cricket Wireless store right near the Greatwest Northwest Library and the Guys and Dolls hair salon that she had an appointment at the next day? All three of those places are technically on the same road even though the road name changes. The entrance to the library is listed as a different street but the actual library faces onto the same road.

Cricket Wireless 9717 Grissom Rd (this is actually a small mall). Guys and Dolls Hair Salon 10151 Culebra Rd (also appears to be in a small strip mall). Grissom Rd and Culebra Rd are the same road. The name changes at Tezel Rd.

I assume the family has canvassed this area which is where these leads are coming from? It's a very busy area. I'm sure she went to other places there.

Perhaps that's how she found that hair salon. It just happened to be in the area in which she was on the 21st? Or she asked a girl in the phone store for a good hair salon? Has anyone spoken to the people in the Cricket store?

This would also mean that the phone conversation with her "grandmother" (TPS?) was a lot earlier than we originally thought.

 

[kappy50]

Does it seem odd that the salon information just came out on the 24th ??? You know this case has been all over the news in SA...so why now ? Maybe it was out there before and I just missed it....

 

[kissdegirl]

Map Link excluding the social security place.

 

[BeanE]

We do not know which of many libraries EJ went to right?
Why would EJ go to a social security office? Walk right in and ask to change her SS#?

I still think it is safe to assume that EJ had multiple days of babysitting plenty of time to get all around SA

I have seen many news reports of EJ seen on a Six Flags tape ---here a just a few different sources

http://www.kpho.com/news/22494558/detail.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/09/crimesider/entry6190388.shtml

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/05/ng.01.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/09/ng.01.html

As far as I know LE had only denied there being a video tape of EJ in the hotel she stayed at

So how are we defining "confirmed" ?

Same as always. Everyone is free to believe Eliz and Gabe were at Six Flags. Everyone is also free not to believe it.

The links in your post have reporters saying Eliz and Gabe were at Six Flags.

At the time of the interview in your first link, although it doesn't say it in the article, I can tell you that LP was indeed under the impression that Eliz and Gabe had been to Six Flags and that there was video.

Subsequent to that, as I posted previously, LP, Logan, and LP's brother met with LE. I posted subsequently to that in the Questions to the Family thread.

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Gabe's family no longer thinks that Eliz or Gabe were at Six Flags, or that video exists. That's as much as can be stated at this time. Therefore, again, everyone is free to believe or not believe the Six Flags rumor.

Let's just accomodate both schools of thought until 100% confirmation can be publicized, so possibilities can be explored from both perspectives. Sound good?

 

[Kamille]

I also noticed on the maps that Prue Road (which the Homegate is just off of) turns into Tezel Rd and runs right into the Farm to Market 471/Grissom Rd/Culebra Rd. (which is right at the corner where the library and the Cricket phone store are).

Ironically there is also a Jack In the Box restaurant and a CVS Pharmacy on this corner.

 

[BeanE]

That is very interesting about the babysitter being confirmed for the 21st. Since check-in at the hotel is 3:00pm does this mean that EJ checked into the hotel on the 20th? She shouldn't even have had a room by 11:45am on the 21st if they go by their check-in times. Do we know if the babysitter was called early in the morning and came the same day or if she was called before the day she actually babysat?

Hotel check-in times are to allow time for rooms to be cleaned in the mornings when the hotel is full. They're so if someone shows up early to check in, they have a reservation, and the hotel is full, the clerk can point to the check in time and say "We didn't promise you a room until 11:00am", in an attempt to avoid disgruntled guests.

If a room is cleaned, they can check someone in.

If you listen carefully to the video, just before the babysitter says it was Dec 21, she says something like "and the next day I babysat". I thought when I heard it that it sounded like Eliz had called her the day before.

How sure is missinggabe on this date?

100%. It's confirmed by LE.

The babysitter mentioned the pizza box or boxes. Does this mean EJ ordered pizza on the 20th also?

I've seen a couple people post and say the babysitter mentioned pizza boxes. I think it came from a news article about Logan? A few of us went back through the babysitter articles and listened to videos and we couldn't find the babysitter saying anything about pizza boxes, food boxes, any kind of box.

Was this not also the day that EJ picked up the new Cricket phone as per yellowsubmarine?

Yes! Thank you! I don't think that's in the case calendar. I'll check on it.

ETA: You already had it in the calendar, Kamille. Thank you! Do we know that's the day she purchased it? Or is that the day she activated it?

 

[Prof]

I do wonder why EJ would not simply use the hotel's laundry facility-- hopefully we get a link to that story soon

 

[Prof]

Elizabeth Sightings Google Map Link (also in the Important Links sticky thread)
I have update the map (thanks BeanE for the additional sighting reminders!)
Okay, I am now going back and add the sightings by the pizza guy on the 21st and 24th (thanks B4E!), and the Cricket purchase on the 21st(thanks Kamille!) -- although I am not sure of that location (most likely other stores in the area-- I'll check)

Do we know which Library EJ went to? and was she actually sighted there or did LE find it by IP number? I will wait to add Library

 

[kissdegirl]

Cricket locations in SA.

Public libraries in SA

 

[Prof]

So AU did not mention the pizza boxes-- if anyone knows the answer to this while I am updating map again lol-- did AU mention the housekeeper?