Rescue at sea for sick baby

[Snoods]

I'm glad to see they are almost universally criticized. I agree this is a mad attempt at procuring a reality show.

Balloon boy, anyone? Who else was glued to their television like a loon watching that balloon flit around all day....

 

[Snoods]

Narcissism .....

This woman shouldnt be allowed to feed a stray cat let alone be a mother. IMO




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Pfftt....she would gobble up all the cat food and tell the hungry cat it'll understand when it's older.

 

[Snoods]

"Listen-we've got room for either the wheel or your inflated ego, but not both."

:floorlaugh: Hilarious!

 

[jjenny]

Balloon boy, anyone? Who else was glued to their television like a loon watching that balloon flit around all day....

At least balloon boy parents didn't actually stuck him into the balloon.
:floorlaugh:

 

[Snoods]

There are several comments by Eric (Rebel Heart) in the first two pages of this thread on Cruisers Forum last year about another cruiser's aborted trip.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f129/what-a-mess-zenamaran-106946.html

Oh the irony! That's rich!

 

[Linda7NJ]

At least balloon boy parents didn't actually stuck him into the balloon.

:floorlaugh:

Excellent point!


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[1&2&3]

I agree, although this could also happen on land. According to her doctor visit post, Charlotte was anemic and had a chronic kind of salmonella, Cora had something called Proteus (which is a bacteria that seems to cause urinary tract infections) and an upper respiratory infection (she was also tested for Dengue (which is quite serious) due to her symptoms and results were never mentioned. Charlotte was on an antibiotic for salmonella. Lyra had bronchitis and an upper respiratory infection and was on three kinds of antibiotics and steroids! Cora was also on three antibiotics. These kids really didn't have enough time to recover fully before going on on the ocean.

http://rebelheart.squarespace.com/charlottes-blog/2014/3/11/not-gone-yet-almost.html

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/226434-overview

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/dengue-fever-reference

Having both children on three antibiotics is serious concern in my mother book! In a picture on Cs blog, the meds and dispensers are all in one little bucket, with the dispensers marked with an initial. One concern is about cleanliness, but also the cross-contamination in such confined quarters. For me, it didn't take long to learn that if one child gets sick, you must be careful or the next one(s) will too. There again, there is no separation on a boat! Each child's immune system is different, but little Lyra seems like she is having a difficult time getting well.

With all the publicity, let's hope the USA pediatrician pays extra attention to Lyra and the frequency and duration of her illness's.

 

[SwampMama]

There are several comments by Eric (Rebel Heart) in the first two pages of this thread on Cruisers Forum last year about another cruiser's aborted trip.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f129/what-a-mess-zenamaran-106946.html

(i know we can't usually copy/paste comments from other sites but can summarize them so I really wanted to summarize what an epic and ironic his arrogance, criticism and know-it-all attitude. I'm sitting her shaking my head at the irony of it.

Great find at the link. Eric is posting on a thread about a guy who had failed voyage a few years ago. The conversation was from June of 2013. So all of this talk about a failed voyage is about some other guys disaster and Eric's arrogant critique of it. So freaking ironic because he has EVERY element that he criticizes the failed voyager for.:banghead::banghead:

Interesting how Eric freely criticizes someone ease's failed sea voyage as if he knew it all, and yet his own voyage had all of the elements that he criticized the other guy for not having, summarized the other guys attempt as an inexperienced guy who drags other people onto an ill-prepared boat and bad times ensue, complete with abandoning a functioning vessel....... Oh the irony! Did his words of criticism about the other guy not just describe his voyage?? So he had read of this guys problems and probably many others, criticized them and dismissed them as incompetent (while judging himself as so uber competent) and he did basically the same thing that the failed voyage crew did. To me, that makes him even stupider because he was well aware of the dangers and did it anyway. Plus brought 2 babies along for the danger

Then he comments on his utter disapproval and disdain for the amount of vessels that are ending up in harm's way in large part due to completely non-seamanship behavior. ..... Well, aside from his vessel being in danger, he actually put his rather unprepared/ill-suited wife (due to her seasickness, lack of ability to man the craft alone if something happened to him, having 2 small kids, other issues) and 2 defenseless babies at great harm

Then he goes on in another post about how he used to judge everyone, then he stopped judging anyone, But the other guys bad voyage was just page after page of bad decision after bad decision. Eric claims that's he just wouldn't do that. He claims that screwing up is one thing, but blaming fate for your bad weather is apparently not acceptable to him....... Hmm, so what does he blame his doomed voyage on? Oh I know, blame it on the 1 year old!! She was sick, so they needed to be rescued. But other than that, they would have just been peachy keen with their leaky boat, taking on water, engine problems, washing poopy diapers in the food prep areas, etc.

When another poster dares to question Eric on his excessive judgement on the other guys doomed voyage and asks Eric specifically what the guy did wrong. Eric challenges him by saying should he start with the guys seamanship or his equipment.

Another poster chides Eric on his advice/opinion and tells him that when he has crossed some oceans himself, to update his blog from fiji once he has a few more miles under his belt because the captain of the bad voyage they were discussing has actually sailed further offshore than Eric ever has.

Eric arrogantly replies that he will bump the thread from hiva oa and the posters at that forum can double check his "angsty" opinions. ( well ok, I'm checking them and I am astounded at his arrogance and the irony of all of it)

He also says that in his defense, he has gotten everywhere he has left for.

The other poster says he ought not tempt fate, throwing stones from a glass house (karma and irony, lol considering how we know Eric the Expert's Epic Expedition ended, lol)

Apparently part of Eric's criticism also concerned the fact that the failed voyage guy had a partner who had severe sea sickness and that the boat was small and therefore more likely to rock and cause such sickness....... (yeah, seriously, this failed voyage sounds so much like what Eric went on to do, except that Eric upped the WTF factor by dragged along 2 innocent babies into that mess, wow!)

I really don't want to come off as being critical of Eric being so critical. Granted i am no expert on sailing. But that entire thread at the link had me shaking my head in disbelief.

Considering Eric had so much to say before about his knowledge of sailing, his critiques of others, his arrogant proclamations and yada, yada, yada, but now that he is the one who clearly failed, he is being awfully silent.

I hope that this experience gave him a whole new perspective and he realizes that he put an awful lot of people (his children, wife and rescuers) thru a lot of danger, trouble, expense because of his choices and his arrogance. Hopefully he left his arrogance and his ego on the Rebel Heart and they are as long-gone as his boat is.

Thank God that there are REAL sailors and first responders who risk their own lives to go save fools and especially those innocent young children.

 

[Snoods]

Having both children on three antibiotics is serious concern in my mother book! In a picture on Cs blog, the meds and dispensers are all in one little bucket, with the dispensers marked with an initial. One concern is about cleanliness, but also the cross-contamination in such confined quarters. For me, it didn't take long to learn that if one child gets sick, you must be careful or the next one(s) will too. There again, there is no separation on a boat! Each child's immune system is different, but little Lyra seems like she is having a difficult time getting well.

With all the publicity, let's hope the USA pediatrician pays extra attention to Lyra and the frequency and duration of her illness's.

I had a mom that was ahead of the times; she didn't put us on antibiotics unless she absolutely had to because she was afraid we would build up immunity to them. I raised my son the same way. And now, look at all the superbugs that people are getting that are immune to common antibiotics! Three antibiotics each at that tender young age? Yikes!

 

[Lilibet]

You know, I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but they are really rubbing me the wrong way with these passive aggressive posts to fb and other social media ... while saying it's too complicated to explain fully right now whilst enduring their "15 minutes". Hope they get a better PR advisor who gets them to cut the douchebag factor!

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I'm put off by these passive aggressive posts too. They aren't doing themselves any favors at all.

The latest one on their FB page is a video with lyrics of the Malvina Reynolds song "Little Boxes", implying that people questioning the wisdom of their trip are total conformists who have never done anything interesting or original. My husband and daughter and I didn't live a conventional, suburban life and we have had lots of adventures. I don't feel superior to those who have chosen a more "normal" life. But I get a real sense of arrogance and superiority from the Kaufman's and their most vocal supporters. They really do need a better PR advisor, or quit posting and eventually the criticism will die down.

The criticism is not about their chosen lifestyle. It's about the unwise choices they made in its pursuit that endangered their children, themselves and their rescuers.

 

[Snoods]

I also love how Eric is so upset about unmanned boats floating around to hit someone or wash up on a beach when he wanted to leave THEIR boat floating around to plow into someone. SMH. The guy is so pompous, even now.

 

[Lilibet]

(i know we can't usually copy/paste comments from other sites but can summarize them so I really wanted to summarize what an epic and ironic his arrogance, criticism and know-it-all attitude. I'm sitting her shaking my head at the irony of it.

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I really don't want to come off as being critical of Eric being so critical. Granted i am no expert on sailing. But that entire thread at the link had me shaking my head in disbelief.

Considering Eric had so much to say before about his knowledge of sailing, his critiques of others, his arrogant proclamations and yada, yada, yada, but now that he is the one who clearly failed, he is being awfully silent.

I hope that this experience gave him a whole new perspective and he realizes that he put an awful lot of people (his children, wife and rescuers) thru a lot of danger, trouble, expense because of his choices and his arrogance. Hopefully he left his arrogance and his ego on the Rebel Heart and they are as long-gone as his boat is.

Thank God that there are REAL sailors and first responders who risk their own lives to go save fools and especially those innocent young children.

Thanks so much for the GREAT summary of Eric's critical posts. Unfortunately, he seems to have as much arrogance and ego in defending himself as he did in criticizing others. I hope someone he respects will privately point out his hypocrisy, so that he will learn some humility and compassion. He can come out of this a better person if he takes time to reflect instead of defending himself.

 

[Lilibet]

I had a mom that was ahead of the times; she didn't put us on antibiotics unless she absolutely had to because she was afraid we would build up immunity to them. I raised my son the same way. And now, look at all the superbugs that people are getting that are immune to common antibiotics! Three antibiotics each at that tender young age? Yikes!

I agree. I wondered if the multiple meds were to get them well really quickly so they wouldn't have to postpone leaving any longer than they already had.

IMO Any kids that needed three antibiotics (plus steroids for Lyra) should stay close to a doctor longer than 10-11 days before setting sail across the ocean. Whatever they had could come back once the course of antibiotics was done...and then what? I think that's possibly what happened to Lyra.

 

[LambChop]

I really don't think they washed dirty diapers in the galley sick when there was a big ocean out there. Ocean water would get them clean but I would hope they would have rinsed them in clean hot water to get the salt out of them. That would make sense. jmo

 

[Penelope]

I checked out that CruiserForum link and found a thread devoted to Eric "Rebel Heart" and his family's "misadventure." Click on this link to read all about it - Rebel Heart's Contribution to the Cruising Community

I am not sure if I can quote from a blog, but I will say that Comment #2 by Kenomac is pretty interesting:

Basically, the Rebel Heart escapade has shown the sailing community all the things NOT TO DO for a successful voyage. IMHO From what I've seen and read on their own blog.... yes, I reviewed the entire past two years on CF and the rebel Heart blogs, I'd say if one was to do the exact opposite of what they did, one would have a better chance of having a more positive outcome.

Some examples (and there are many):
1. Don't leave with sick kids on medication
2. Have some prior offshore experience
3. Know how you and your spouse will handle stressful situations
4. Have some prior foul weather experience... jeez Force 5... really?
5. Know how to repair one's equipment and have the stuff onboard to do so when the time comes.
6. Bring jerry cans of extra fuel and water.
7. Take sea sick medication before you get sick, not.... 4 days later.
8. Purchase a genuine aluminum whisker pole... not scavenged bamboo.
9. Don't have a set timetable in order to meet unrealistic personal goals.

 

[momrids6]

I really don't think they washed dirty diapers in the galley sick when there was a big ocean out there. Ocean water would get them clean but I would hope they would have rinsed them in clean hot water to get the salt out of them. That would make sense. jmo

She did, and wrote it down for the world to see. They also had a cold water sink, as the device to make water hot was not working.

 

[LambChop]

She did, and wrote it down for the world to see. They also had a cold water sink, as the device to make water hot was not working.

Well, that is not good.

 

[redheadedgal]

I really don't think they washed dirty diapers in the galley sick when there was a big ocean out there. Ocean water would get them clean but I would hope they would have rinsed them in clean hot water to get the salt out of them. That would make sense. jmo

She did, and wrote it down for the world to see. They also had a cold water sink, as the device to make water hot was not working.

seems the kitchen was equipped with a working stove, large pots, possibly a kettle... no reason to not be able to boil water for use when needed.... ???

scroll down for pic of kitchen: http://www.therebelheart.com/charlo...us-over-for-dinner-countdown-to-cruising.html

 

[Penelope]

Just went online to check Charlotte's blog on The Rebel Heart website-
Overwhelmed, Shocked, Saddened

She has posted about the rescue and included some photos. She did also comment about the negative comments that they received and how she is slowly deleting them. Seems she is angrier about comments made by her family -- much more than those made by strangers. In addition, they are "disabling comments for the time being."

Many of my friends and family have also expressed anger at the mean-spirited comments that have been left on our blog by complete strangers. Please, friends, do not dismay. We will slowly delete all the comments from the internet armchair quarterbacks who know nothing about us, our life, our skills, or, I might add, sailing.

No, it is not these commenters that fall under the third adjective I have picked, it is the comments from family members who have given negative interviews to the press about me and Eric. It is one thing to ignore comments from the internet at large, it is another to watch and read the interviews given to news sites by members of my estranged, nuclear family. Then again, these are the same family members who claim that my sister and I are lying about the sexual abuse we suffered from my father, who, to this day, remains an unprosecuted, unregistered sex offender. Their words show more about the content of their character than I could ever personally express to you. Thus, while I am saddened by their commentary, I am not surprised.

 

[momrids6]

seems the kitchen was equipped with a working stove, large pots, possibly a kettle... no reason to not be able to boil water for use when needed.... ???

scroll down for pic of kitchen: http://www.therebelheart.com/charlo...us-over-for-dinner-countdown-to-cruising.html

salmonella is transmitted via fecal oral route. In the blog somewhere, it's mentioned they only had cold water to the sink. With the kids and herself being thrown all over, I cannot imagine she would attempt to boil water. Stove is not equipped with pot locks.