Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/29 thru 2/2 - Break

[pinkandgreenmom]

Ok. Here is my completely random thought for the day. I hope it doesn't sound too out there like some of the ideas posted on the JA support page.

We had Neumeister say that he, "Tony", and Computer Guy #3 looked at Travis' hard drive and founds tons of . Neumeister refused to name Computer Guy #3 in court and would only write his name down on a piece of paper to hand to Juan. If I recall correctly, we figured out that Sue D. Nihm was neither Tony nor Computer Guy #3.

We know that Secret Witness #1 (coughMarcMcGeecough) worked in computers.

Does anyone think that perhaps Computer Guy #3 is really Marc McGee? :escape:

 

[Spellbound]

Ha! Computer Guy 3 could be MM? Would not surprise me at all, pinkandgreenmom

 

[RickshawFan]

Right, that is the no more DP omnibus. Nurmi has JA in that group. Even Nurmi thinks she'll get DP.

I'm not sure I quite understand. You're saying the hearing before Judge Kreamer pertains to the "class action" suit about the DP , thus the transportation of "under custody" individuals. (Heck, can you imagine what it takes to transport even one DP customer, let alone the whole lot? Randomly related subject: do the death row guards get to party while their customers are all gone to the Super Bowl?). You are also observing that the calendar after no-games Kreamer chews out the twit plaintiff attorney belongs to the the "class action DP suit" and not to the Arias trial.

Are there any hearings today or tomorrow on the Arias case? Like the weekly "Motion to Take the Death Penalty off the table"?

It seems to me, from the Kreamer court calendar, that now Nurmi can't successfuly argue to delay any aspect of JA's trial on account of the Death Row prisoners trial, because thanks to the twit attorney in that case, the proceedings will begin way after JA's sentence has been decided. JA will presumably be sentenced and then have the option of including herself among the omnibus psychopath extreme killers. Just think, to do that she won't be able to be in denial any more, since the case is about being a Death Row-er, bwahahaha!

 

[RickshawFan]

Ok. Here is my completely random thought for the day. I hope it doesn't sound too out there like some of the ideas posted on the JA support page.

We had Neumeister say that he, "Tony", and Computer Guy #3 looked at Travis' hard drive and founds tons of . Neumeister refused to name Computer Guy #3 in court and would only write his name down on a piece of paper to hand to Juan. If I recall correctly, we figured out that Sue D. Nihm was neither Tony nor Computer Guy #3.

We know that Secret Witness #1 (coughMarcMcGeecough) worked in computers.

Does anyone think that perhaps Computer Guy #3 is really Marc McGee? :escape:

Genius thought...... We know McGee works with computers, right?

 

[Hope4More]

I don't understand how so many can believe the DP isn't a very real possibility. IMO, this week tipped the odds toward it dramatically. There were numerous vile accusations about Travis brought out, but not of it rang true, and that was before Juan began dismantling it all. The jurors questions seem to indicate they ain't buying it.

And the TR concept....this could very well be what made Travis go off on her in that infamous email. If she threatened to "expose" him with that being the consequence that email makes a lot of sense.

I don't understand either. I've thought all along that this jury would vote DP, and after yesterday I'm even more sure. Some over there think not because they believe Nurmi has succeeded in humanizing her. Gotta say that one doesn't fly for me at all.

I know one identifiable Mormon was stricken during voire dire, but some Mormon posters here and on BK seem convinced there is at least one Mormon on the jury. Say that is true. It's a pretty big (and imo insulting ) assumption that a Mormon would be more likely to spare her the DP because Travis broke chastity vows.

As pointed out here, murder ranks higher on the Mormon list of sins than does breaking chastity vows. She's demonstrably a murderer, a liar, unchaste, and the bearer of false witness. That a Mormon juror would condemn the victim and feel pity for the likes of JA simply because they are Mormon also doesn't fly either.

Last, I think that even if there is one honest holdout, eleven other jurors with strong feelings on the matter will be able to persuade that one to vote DP.

 

[atthelake]

Ok. Here is my completely random thought for the day. I hope it doesn't sound too out there like some of the ideas posted on the JA support page.

We had Neumeister say that he, "Tony", and Computer Guy #3 looked at Travis' hard drive and founds tons of . Neumeister refused to name Computer Guy #3 in court and would only write his name down on a piece of paper to hand to Juan. If I recall correctly, we figured out that Sue D. Nihm was neither Tony nor Computer Guy #3.

We know that Secret Witness #1 (coughMarcMcGeecough) worked in computers.

Does anyone think that perhaps Computer Guy #3 is really Marc McGee? :escape:

:floorlaugh: Good one that I didn't catch. Was interesting to note that the bishop did say that he was into computers. That coupled with the magazine and the jury not told who was to get it... go figure what is going to be inferred by the jury. That said, no "proof" on that one.

 

[RickshawFan]

Can anyone think what the question about moving and what happens in the new temple are about? Is that juror thinking Travis only moved so he could get his recommend back?

Ta didn't have anything to gain by doing that.....

Can anyone enlighten us on what exactly a "temple recommend" is and how it might affect one's life? Does it mean you can't go to church, sort of like "temporary excommunication"? How about other activities? Would TA have been unable to go to singles' events to find a life partner?

 

[cricket49]

I don't understand how so many can believe the DP isn't a very real possibility. IMO, this week tipped the odds toward it dramatically. There were numerous vile accusations about Travis brought out, but not of it rang true, and that was before Juan began dismantling it all. The jurors questions seem to indicate they ain't buying it.

And the TR concept....this could very well be what made Travis go off on her in that infamous email. If she threatened to "expose" him with that being the consequence that email makes a lot of sense.

Maybe many people are keeping their minds open to the possibility she "might" not get the death penalty. I am looking at it both ways. Hoping she gets DP but accepting she might get life. I wish I prepared myself for that type of thinking with the Casey Anthony trial. It took the wind right out of me.

Still does.

 

[MeeBee]

Ta didn't have anything to gain by doing that.....

Can anyone enlighten us on what exactly a "temple recommend" is and how it might affect one's life? Does it mean you can't go to church, sort of like "temporary excommunication"? How about other activities? Would TA have been unable to go to singles' events to find a life partner?

I'm not saying he would I'm trying to figure out what the question was getting at.

 

[imawitch]

I agree. I think the jury will be dissecting JA's every word in allocution and analyzing it for lies. JM has taught them some skills in this regard. Not only that, when they can finally talk, the jurors might enjoy the process as a group of uncovering layer after layer of BS in that speech themselves, since JM won't have had a go at it.

I would so love to be a little itty bitty fly on the wall in the jurors room once they get the greenlight to talk...

 

[RickshawFan]

I know one identifiable Mormon was stricken during voire dire, but some Mormon posters here and on BK seem convinced there is at least one Mormon on the jury. Say that is true. It's a pretty big (and imo insulting ) assumption that a Mormon would be more likely to spare her the DP because Travis broke chastity vows.

As pointed out here, murder ranks higher on the Mormon list of sins than does breaking chastity vows. She's demonstrably a murderer, a liar, unchaste, and the bearer of false witness. That a Mormon juror would condemn the victim and feel pity for the likes of JA simply because they are Mormon also doesn't fly either.

Last, I think that even if there is one honest holdout, eleven other jurors with strong feelings on the matter will be able to persuade that one to vote DP.

Hasn't JA been excommunicated anyway? Even if she hasn't, she was only "dabbling in Mormonism" and her behavior shows that "dabbling" was a substantial overstatement. I doubt, in any juror's mind, she has earned extra consideration for being a fake Mormon.

 

[TexMex]

Here's a card

 

[MeeBee]

Just seems like that juror was thinking the only reason Travis confessed to his bishop was because Deanna confessed and once he did he moved away. And if that's what he thinks (not me, the juror) I say, who cares? What does it matter how or why or when they confessed? Idk.

 

[Paintr]

Sort of O/T..but while we wait...Juan's next case...

http://news.gila1019.com/delays-in-the-death-penalty-trial-for-christopher-redondo-in-the-shooting-death-of-gilbert-police-lt-eric-shuhandler/

Christopher Redondo was charged in the murder of Gilbert Police Lt. Eric Shuhandler. The case stems from a 10:30 p.m. traffic stop, when Shuhandler pulled over Damien Irizarry, of Gilbert, who was driving Redondo’s father’s work truck. Shuhandler pulled them over for an obstructed license plate. Minutes later, as Shuhandler returned to the pickup, Redondo pulled a gun and shot him in the head, police reports state. Irizarry and Redondo then led several officers on a chase eastbound on U.S. 60. During the chase, police reports state Redondo fired at officers and disabled 12 police cars by hurling tools and equipment from the bed of the pickup. The chase ended when the pickup ran out of gas at Top of the World.

Police say Redondo again opened fire as he exited the truck. Police returned fire as Irizarry and Redondo took cover and were struck in the legs and feet.

http://archive.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/20120320life-term-christopher-redondo-2009-murder.html


Christopher Redondo, 37, pleaded guilty in Gila County Superior Court to first-degree murder in an unrelated death and was sentenced by Judge Peter Cahill to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

The Miami slaying of Ernie Singh, 40, occurred on June 24, 2009, seven months before Gilbert police Lt. Eric Shuhandler was gunned down during a traffic stop on Jan. 28, 2010.

 

[Hope4More]

Can anyone think what the question about moving and what happens in the new temple are about? Is that juror thinking Travis only moved so he could get his recommend back?

The little sequence of juror questions relating to TR is one of the reasons Mormon posters believe there's a Mormon(s) on the jury.

The question about moving and TR's, then about how often a (something or other Mormon procedure) occurred caught my attention too.

Where I went was that a Mormon juror was testing Deanna...to see how well she knew about rules she would know about if she was as observant and faithful as she was presenting herself to be. Honestly, why the heck would even a Mormon juror otherwise ask about something so utterly arcane? I think both questions came from the same juror.

If they didn't, and a juror is contemplating a Travis so devious he moved to escape a TR, that juror is going to have a very bad time during deliberations.

 

[Wagara]

What is crazy is JA has proven to the jury she has lied and been disengenious in practically the whole 2nd trial. And after the attempted thrashing of Deanne, Juan, and others, they come across as bullies.

And just think. Didnt they also trash Flores on the stand.
OMG. Once they find out about the tragedy which I am sure they may have caught on the local news they will be very upset with the DT.

I think the DT has gone way too far. I think they are begging the jury to give her the DP. And it is too late even if she tries to fake remorse now, it is probably too late. The jury will think they are lying about that too. Which they would be lying of course.

She did that last year at very end and it came across flat. You cant lie and be evil all the way through and then try to claim remorse.
The girl who cried wolf.

I've been on the fence on how they would vote until now. I now believe it will be DP unless one of the jurors caves on DP altogether.

 

[MeeBee]

The little sequence of juror questions relating to TR is one of the reasons Mormon posters believe there's a Mormon(s) on the jury.

The question about moving and TR's, then about how often a (something or other Mormon procedure) occurred caught my attention too.

Where I went was that a Mormon juror was testing Deanna...to see how well she knew about rules she would know about if she was as observant and faithful as she was presenting herself to be. Honestly, why the heck would even a Mormon juror otherwise ask about something so utterly arcane? I think both questions came from the same juror.

If they didn't, and a juror is contemplating a Travis so devious he moved to escape a TR, that juror is going to have a very bad time during deliberations.

BBM: I was just thinking that lol. I was just imagining that juror going in with that arguemnt and the other jurors going who gives a s***?!

I think it would have to take a religious person or just a very judgmental person in general to care about that. I am not religious and it is really of no concern to me how someone chooses to go about their religion. Obviously, that is not the reason Travis moved but even if it was SO WHAT? Who was he hurting? Does that really bolster the master manipulator, Jekyll and Hyde claim? T42 made a good point yesterday that Mormonism and Christianity are about failing and getting back up again. Repentance. Forgiveness. No one is perfect and Travis certainly wasn't the perfect little Mormon. It really doesn't matter.

 

[Hope4More]

Just seems like that juror was thinking the only reason Travis confessed to his bishop was because Deanna confessed and once he did he moved away. And if that's what he thinks (not me, the juror) I say, who cares? What does it matter how or why or when they confessed? Idk.

Hmm. One of the questions did ask who confessed first. DR said she didn't know. Impossible to know if that question was asked by the same juror who asked about moving and TR, though.

My guess is the who confessed first question was from a different juror, someone who took advantage of the opportunity to ask about Travis' character from someone who actually knew him.

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

I'm not saying he would I'm trying to figure out what the question was getting at.

ETA: I thought you were talking about JW's question when I answered....now I think you were asking about the juror question. So my answer makes no sense. Sorry....:blushing:

MeeBee, I couldn't figure out the line of questioning either. My best guess is that JW wants to portray DR as a liar. That is the only chance she has of getting the jury to believe DR over Secret Witness 1's affidavit. She couldn't get her on the "you lied in your interview" business so my guess is she wanted to catch DR in any lie she possibly could. So she asked about the workings of a temple recommend (do they transfer?) in hopes of tripping DR up on the workings of Mormonism, and tried to trip her up on whether Travis told his new bishop about it (because honestly, DR probably didn't know the answer to the question and JW was hoping she would answer "yes" or "no" rather than "I don't know" and catch her in a lie).

I know others were asking about the temple recommend and how it affects your life. I am not a Mormon but my best understanding of the recommend is that without one, you cannot go into a Mormon Temple, which isn't the same thing as a Mormon "church". For example when I lived in VA we had a Mormon "church" (not sure whether they are called "church" or something else) in our town which functioned the same way as any other Christian church (service on Sunday, events during the week). The Temple was the big fancy building that was right outside of Washington, DC. If you lose your temple recommend I understand you could still go to events at the "church", regular worship, ward events, singles events, etc. you just could not go to any events at the Temple. And from the one Mormon family I knew, being able to go to the Temple was a huge deal. Their children were married there, which means they were deemed "worthy" and so were the spouses. To be of age and not have a temple recommend was, to them, sort of the equivalent of a modern day scarlet letter and a real stigma.

 

[Tillicum]

The little sequence of juror questions relating to TR is one of the reasons Mormon posters believe there's a Mormon(s) on the jury.

The question about moving and TR's, then about how often a (something or other Mormon procedure) occurred caught my attention too.

Where I went was that a Mormon juror was testing Deanna...to see how well she knew about rules she would know about if she was as observant and faithful as she was presenting herself to be. Honestly, why the heck would even a Mormon juror otherwise ask about something so utterly arcane? I think both questions came from the same juror.

If they didn't, and a juror is contemplating a Travis so devious he moved to escape a TR, that juror is going to have a very bad time during deliberations.

During the juror questions I kept wondering if a Mormon was on the jury and the questions were asked not necessarily because he/she needed to hear her answers but because they wanted their fellow jurors to hear them. Remember at this point they can't discuss this between themselves but he/she could've been thinking ahead to the deliberations when it would be too late for the other jurors to ask the questions. I'm not sure it that makes sense to anyone :thinking: