Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/29 thru 2/2 - Break

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  • #801
There have been discussions about whether JA was ever TA's girlfriend. Just listened to the Chris Hughes interview on Tricia's True Crime Radio. Chris seems to confirm that at one point in time, JA was TA's girlfriend.

Chris says - "He [Travis] still really likes her [JA] and in fact was right there at the point where he wanted to commit to her. I can't remember if he already had, maybe, you know, the timeline. I can't remember when they were officially boyfriend/girlfriend. But it was about this time."

Listen at 1:13:42 - 1:13:55
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...as-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern

C & S H have had to clarify the record with respect to their relationships with and judgments of TA -- especially when LKN duped them.

In addition to their personal views of relationship appropriateness, they also have their religious views to inform them.

They made clear to TA what they believed his shortcomings were in those regards.

What they did not intially know was how JA was manipulating the two of them in order to achieve her own relationship goals.

Thus, I'm sure that while we would like bright lines and clearly defined immutable definitions with neat start and stop dates, our ex post facto understandings of their relationship dynamics don't quite seamlessly mesh with the historical reality.

That stated, what we do know with certainty, is that JA re-writes and revises their history without regard to truth.

Her bifurcated parallel objectives are to: (1) Trash the victim and his family/friends/supporters at all costs, and (2) Save her "corrupted carcass".

And yes, I really do believe they're in priority sequence.

So much so, in fact, that when they come into conflict -- even to the extent of mutual exclusivity -- trashing him will always supersede saving herself.
 
  • #802
Ziggy, thanks for all your great posts. I love reading the information. I think the jury may hang. Guess I don't have faith in humankind to see through the lies. :(. I hope they make a decision one way or the other. Paul Sanders (13th juror) is awesome. We are grateful for you. The media leaves much to be desired in their tweets. Oh and thanks for staring down the killer. Hope this is all over soon.
 
  • #803
This was a theory not long ago



included among Travis’s entries for May 27, 2008, is: “UFC party was great as usual. Met some new people. A couple new girls even. Anything that will get my mind off Lisa for a moment.”

Then on May 29, 2008, which is Travis’s final entry, he writes, “However, the good news is on Saturday I met a cutie pie on Saturday at my UFC party. I saw her Sunday again at church. Two days ago she requested me as a friend on Facebook. We have been sending email flirts ever since. I got the phone number. We’ve been texting and now we are hanging out tonight.”

Note that Saturday was May 24, 2008. His reference to “two days ago” is either May 27 or, possibly, May 26.

May 26, 2008 entries, Jodi discusses their fight and seems to downplay it. She admits going into Travis’s Facebook page, claiming he gave her his password, but she says she hadn’t logged into his account for a week. She writes that Travis asked her not to do it again.

As for the timeline in the case, the “burglary” of the gun and other items at Jodi’s grandparents’ home occurred on May 28, 2008. Travis was murdered on June 4, 2008.

Had Jodi actually posted something on Facebook–a comment or a photo–that was meant to thwart a budding relationship with the woman Travis just met (Brooke)? We may never know exactly what was a posted but it seems that this could be the catalyst for the horrible May 26, 2008 fight–the explanation we’ve all been looking for.

No offense to dear Travis but that journal entry sounds so teenagerish. It is possible that Travis was also a little immature when it came to matters of the heart. He might have initially and for a short while gotten infatuated with Arias to the point of considering her to be his girlfriend--fleeting and superficial. I bet he quickly got out of his infatuation but Arias wouldn't and couldn't move on.
 
  • #804
No offense to dear Travis but that journal entry sounds so teenagerish. It is possible that Travis was also a little immature when it came to matters of the heart. He might have initially and for a short while gotten infatuated with Arias to the point of considering her to be his girlfriend--fleeting and superficial. I bet he quickly got out of his infatuation but Arias wouldn't and couldn't move on.

It seems too like there was so much pressure - internal and external - because he was pushing 30 (at the time he met JA) and was unmarried. All that pressure seems to make one jump the gun as to whether you are in the "getting to know you" phase vs. "boyfriend/girlfriend" phase. In both words and actions.
 
  • #805
There have been discussions about whether JA was ever TA's girlfriend. Just listened to the Chris Hughes interview on Tricia's True Crime Radio. Chris seems to confirm that at one point in time, JA was TA's girlfriend.

Chris says - "He [Travis] still really likes her [JA] and in fact was right there at the point where he wanted to commit to her. I can't remember if he already had, maybe, you know, the timeline. I can't remember when they were officially boyfriend/girlfriend. But it was about this time."


Listen at 1:13:42 - 1:13:55
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...as-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern

The electronic timeline seems to confirm this as well. IMO Travis considered JA his "girlfriend" the first few months of the relationship but by 12/06 he had moved on. I don't believe they were ever exclusive though. The only issue with this theory is the comment about the kiss with AA and JA claiming they weren't bf/gf at that time. Could she have changed the date trying to make Travis jealous and that's why the email was sent a year later?
 
  • #806
It's so so easy to do. You just install software on the person's computer and have their every cyber movement delivered right to your email...as easy as having a pizza delivered.

http://www.spectorsoft.com/products/eBlaster_Windows/index.asp

I would think that would have been found in the last round of computer porngate. So I don't believe she was a sophisticated enough hacker to do that. But it's entirely possible that TA was naïve enough to either keep his passwords the same or use the same one for everything even after he knew she had it/them, write them down somewhere obvious, or sign in to things with her watching.

MOO
 
  • #807
- I don't think Jodi was above going to internet cafés and befriending, flirting with not very popular, yet knowledgeable computer guys to get hacking info. This trial is full of wtf moments.

JA had a regular spot in a bar near her Palm Desert home iirc where she'd plant herself with her laptop, according to that gullible schmuck who gave her money to rush to Mesa to deal with a "boyfriend" emergency.
 
  • #808
I would think that would have been found in the last round of computer porngate. So I don't believe she was a sophisticated enough hacker to do that. But it's entirely possible that TA was naïve enough to either keep his passwords the same or use the same one for everything even after he knew she had it/them, write them down somewhere obvious, or sign in to things with her watching.

MOO

A monkey could use this software. But your point about the police finding the software is true. Even though it hides itself on the computer, a computer forensics investigator could find it easily.
 
  • #809
There have been discussions about whether JA was ever TA's girlfriend. Just listened to the Chris Hughes interview on Tricia's True Crime Radio. Chris seems to confirm that at one point in time, JA was TA's girlfriend.

Chris says - "He [Travis] still really likes her [JA] and in fact was right there at the point where he wanted to commit to her. I can't remember if he already had, maybe, you know, the timeline. I can't remember when they were officially boyfriend/girlfriend. But it was about this time."

Listen at 1:13:42 - 1:13:55
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...as-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern

Too much good stuff in that 3 hr. interview to mention, and I stopped at 45:00. Example: In Jan. 2007 JA arrived unannounced and uninvited to the Hughes home, crying about TA's failure to commit to her. JA told them she'd gone into TA's email accounts (and likely others) and had all the messages to and from TA and other women forwarded to her. This was the genesis of the infamous email stream where Chris Hughes used the word "abusive" the DT has made so much of, but has never been shown in context.
 
  • #810
No offense to dear Travis but that journal entry sounds so teenagerish. It is possible that Travis was also a little immature when it came to matters of the heart. He might have initially and for a short while gotten infatuated with Arias to the point of considering her to be his girlfriend--fleeting and superficial. I bet he quickly got out of his infatuation but Arias wouldn't and couldn't move on.

In the Chris Hughes interview above, he mentions that TA ate alone at a table in high school. That he was "a dork", overweight, shy, and made fun of because of the way his pants rode up and down over his large backside as he walked. Sounds like TA didn't have a social life at all until after he returned from his mission ~age 20-21 and joined the singles ward and began a self-improvement campaign.
 
  • #811
In the Chris Hughes interview above, he mentions that TA ate alone at a table in high school. That he was "a dork", overweight, shy, and made fun of because of the way his pants rode up and down over his large backside as he walked. Sounds like TA didn't have a social life at all until after he returned from his mission ~age 20-21 and joined the singles ward and began a self-improvement campaign.

And he was still able to come out of all that pain to become a loving and generous man. It touches me deeply to read about how Travis provided food and other essentials to the homeless. What a softy he was.

Travis' difficult childhood is why I believe that those angry May 2008 messages were about something much more serious than money. Travis knew what it was like to struggle financially. I don't think he'd call her the worst thing that ever happened to him if the fight had to do with finances alone. Arias must have blackmailed him with the sex tape hence the 'you've caused more pain than the death of my father' message.
 
  • #812
Juror questions were asked to Deanna about Temple Recs, etc. I think that's what you're thinking of.

Yep, that's it, thank you. (I am glad to hear the question was actually asked and not my imagination!)

I get confused because I cannot always follow in real time; I get behind and then sometimes skim for just the facts because each tweet is posted so many times. But I admit to missing information this way so I probably should get a better handle on the facts prior to trying to answer someone else's question, LOL. And I supposed because in my mind jurors asking Deanna about that stuff seemed really off, until I consider that at that stage they had no idea a bishop would be on the stand next. Seems a much better question for a bishop but of course, how could they know?

Anyway...many sorries for any misleading I have done...
 
  • #813
I missed that. Was that on a twitter feed? Whose?

This was when Nancy Grace was at the trial in the beginning. She mentioned it and so did someone else but can't remember who.
 
  • #814
If anyone wants to see exactly where Jodi will be sent if she receives the death penalty, check out this video at 4:06.

In the video, a comic visits Perryville to do a comedy show for a certain segment of the prisoners (those that are behaving and transitioning out). While there, the warden shows the comic the inside of a death row women's cell. The comic also talks to Wendi Andriano from behind Wendi's cell door. Interesting stuff.

[video=youtube;1hQccYQ12og]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hQccYQ12og[/video]

I wish there was a third option for the jury or the judge when it came to sentencing: like life in prison but with death row living conditions. I guess that'd be considered inhumane... But then again, the DP is worse.
 
  • #815
IMO, if John Smith was Mark McGee, the press would have been all over it as they would have recognized him from all his pics. FWIW, IMO John Smith was a former hacker that now works in high level security for corporations. Kinda like it takes one to know one. IMO

Sorry haven't read the rest of the posts, but I do remember the tweets said Computer guy John Smith look Amish... that doesn't describe McWitness #1.
 
  • #816
Following is what I have been thinking about this trial.

2006

Jodi views PPL video. She recognizes golden opportunity.

In August, Jodi goes to the executive convention. Mingles beforehand, targeting Gus, because older guys are the easiest. Gets invited to executive dinner. Gus leaves her to go mingle, talk with others.

Abe notices her, because she has dressed to make sure someone in the Gold Circle does. She goes on date with Abe, also older.

Jodi talks with Abe on phone, needing help with PPL, also making herself available for dating. She keeps this fish on the line.

Jodi tells tale of her first meeting with Travis in September. Travis does not know she was there the month before with someone else.

Jodi mentions to Abe that she will be in Pasadena GETTING HER HAIR DONE. I know I always go out of town to get my hair done. Abe asks for another date. Magic panties!

Jodi and Travis are at Chris and Sky Hughes home. She later laments to Sky that she loves Travis and cannot get him to commit, which really means that he will not have sex with her. She also tells this same commitment tale of woe to Abe, Gus and likely Matt and Darryl.

Sometime in 2007, Travis has some kind of sexual encounter with Jodi, prompting him to swear off of her and go to his Bishop and loose his Temple Recommend. This likely occurred before she ever moved to Mesa, because according to friends Travis got his Temple Recommend back in 2008. He was done with her but still felt compassion for her and talked to her and loaned her money. He had been down and out in his own life. She recognized a mark when she saw one.

She moved to Mesa, into his ward. He saw her at some Family Home Evenings as well as other Morman events and the PPL events. She invited herself on trips he was taking but Travis was careful that someone else was always around to chaperone so he did not have another fall from grace.

Jodi keeps Matt, Daryl, Abe and Gus, as well as others, on the hook while she continues to go after Travis.

Jodi goes to Gus with her tales of woe. Gus rescues the damsel in distress by having her stay three nights with him in his mobile home so he can comfort her and by that I mean NOT in a grandfatherly way!

Jodi writes in her journal about a deposit she expected being late and causing her problems. She opines in this same journal entry that "one thing is sure, there is a lot of money". I believe she is not talking here about making money with PPL. She is talking about snagging some PPL higher up. She further writes a little mantra saying "money flows where Jodi goes". I guarantee you that Juan has proof that she accessed his bank account and stole money. He fought hard to get it in but my guess is that it was ruled too prejudicial.

Jodi was constantly sabotaging Travis's relationships with everyone. She answered a "what are you doing" text sent by one of Travis's girlfriends to his phone. She pretended to be Travis and said, "I am cuddling with Jodi". She slit his tires twice and Lisa's tires once and sent a letter of whoredom to her. She followed them on dates. She went, uninvited, to a party at his house and answered his door and introduced herself as Travis's girlfriend. She entered his house more than once through the garage or doggie door. She confronted Clancy in a restroom. She accessed Travis's computer from California and erased an email that he was still composing to Lisa. Mimi, who was interested enough in Travis to go to Cancun with him, suddenly tells Travis that she will go as a friend only. What did Jodi tell her? Jodi was making classic "I will make sure No One Else Wants You moves.

Jodi gets phone from Gus and uses it to make a sex tape. I believe here that she used program to manufacture this tape. It is all pieced together and Travis's voice was the only one that needed to be enhanced by the computer expert. I read somewhere early on that Travis had sleeping problems and was taking Ambien. Did she repeatedly call him on those nights and get him to engage in talk that he would not engage in at otherwise? Did she have a little script via computer for him to read? Did this happen early in 2007 and she kept it for blackmail just in case he would not commit?

There has never been any mention of cards, dinner dates, movie dates. NAY, not one single "I Love You" from Travis. Valentine's Day came and went without a single mention of thanks for the gifts or statements of love from either one of them. Unbelievable from a couple who had over 80,000 exchanges via text, instant messaging and Google chat. I believe that the majority of those messages were from her trying desperately to get him to call her. She sure left work and drove hours to his home when she could not get a reply from him.

One thing is sure, if Juan says they were never boyfriend and girlfriend I believe him. He has a lot more information than we have.

She could only hold a part time job because she was putting a lot of work into landing a big fish. She dealt with her money problems by convincing the men she kept hanging on that she had a dire need to borrow money. True sociopathic behavior is shown in all her known actions.

Jodi is the one who was the PLAYER. She was juggling a lot of men at one time. She constantly played one person against another, all the while presenting herself as a Special Snowflake.
 
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  • #818
Jen is the DP qualified Atty. Nurmi has to have co counsel who is DP qualified


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/03/jodi-arias-trial-update-murder_n_1181779.html

During today's case-management hearing, Stephens appointed Jennifer Willmott, a death penalty-qualified defense attorney, to represent Arias. Willmott will have roughly 10 months to get up to speed on the case.

They are both death-penalty qualified. But there are two levels of qualification: lead counsel and co-counsel. I can't remember anymore which one of them is which (as between Nurmi and Wilmott). But co-counsel qualification is pretty easy to get.
 
  • #819
I had a VERY hard time getting in. Only once did I get in, and my post didn't post. Matter of fact, my tab is still circling and downloading lol. Funny, it's loading so slow I could write down all the stuff that WS is downloading for the page as it shows on the lower right. Let's see if this posts now.

Hi Everyone,

My apologies for the technical troubles. Our wonderful tech person is on it.
 
  • #820
Following is what I have been thinking about this trial.

2006

Jodi views PPL video. She recognizes golden opportunity.

In August, Jodi goes to the executive convention. Mingles beforehand, targeting Gus, because older guys are the easiest. Gets invited to executive dinner. Gus leaves her to go mingle, talk with others.

Abe notices her, because she has dressed to make sure someone in the Gold Circle does. She goes on date with Abe, also older.

Jodi talks with Abe on phone, needing help with PPL, also making herself available for dating. She keeps this fish on the line.

Jodi tells tale of her first meeting with Travis in September. Travis does not know she was there the month before with someone else.

Jodi mentions to Abe that she will be in Pasadena GETTING HER HAIR DONE. I know I always go out of town to get my hair done. Abe asks for another date. Magic panties!

Jodi and Travis are at Chris and Sky Hughes home. She later laments to Sky that she loves Travis and cannot get him to commit, which really means that he will not have sex with her. She also tells this same commitment tale of woe to Abe, Gus and likely Matt and Darryl.

Sometime in 2007, Travis has some kind of sexual encounter with Jodi, prompting him to swear off of her and go to his Bishop and loose his Temple Recommend. This likely occurred before she ever moved to Mesa, because according to friends Travis got his Temple Recommend back in 2008. He was done with her but still felt compassion for her and talked to her and loaned her money. He had been down and out in his own life. She recognized a mark when she saw one.

She moved to Mesa, into his ward. He saw her at some Family Home Evenings as well as other Morman events and the PPL events. She invited herself on trips he was taking but Travis was careful that someone else was always around to chaperone so he did not have another fall from grace.

Jodi keeps Matt, Daryl, Abe and Gus, as well as others, on the hook while she continues to go after Travis.

Jodi goes to Gus with her tales of woe. Gus rescues the damsel in distress by having her stay three nights with him in his mobile home so he can comfort her and by that I mean NOT in a grandfatherly way!

Jodi writes in her journal about a deposit she expected being late and causing her problems. She opines in this same journal entry that "one thing is sure, there is a lot of money". I believe she is not talking here about making money with PPL. She is talking about snagging some PPL higher up. She further writes a little mantra saying "money flows where Jodi goes". I guarantee you that Juan has proof that she accessed his bank account and stole money. He fought hard to get it in but my guess is that it was ruled too prejudicial.

Jodi was constantly sabotaging Travis's relationships with everyone. She answered a "what are you doing" text sent by one of Travis's girlfriends to his phone. She pretended to be Travis and said, "I am cuddling with Jodi". She slit his tires twice and Lisa's tires once and sent a letter of whoredom to her. She followed them on dates. She went, uninvited, to a party at his house and answered his door and introduced herself as Travis's girlfriend. She entered his house more than once through the garage or doggie door. She confronted Clancy in a restroom. She accessed Travis's computer from California and erased an email that he was still composing to Lisa. Mimi, who was interested enough in Travis to go to Cancun with him, suddenly tells Travis that she will go as a friend only. What did Jodi tell her? Jodi was making classic "I will make sure No One Else Wants You moves.

Jodi gets phone from Gus and uses it to make a sex tape. I believe here that she used program to manufacture this tape. It is all pieced together and Travis's voice was the only one that needed to be enhanced by the computer expert. I read somewhere early on that Travis had sleeping problems and was taking Ambien. Did she repeatedly call him on those nights and get him to engage in talk that he would not engage in at otherwise? Did she have a little script via computer for him to read? Did this happen early in 2007 and she kept it for blackmail just in case he would not commit?

There has never been any mention of cards, dinner dates, movie dates. NAY, not one single "I Love You" from Travis. Valentine's Day came and went without a single mention of thanks for the gifts or statements of love from either one of them. Unbelievable from a couple who had over 80,000 exchanges via text, instant messaging and Google chat. I believe that the majority of those messages were from her trying desperately to get him to call her. She sure left work and drove hours to his home when she could not get a reply from him.

One thing is sure, if Juan says they were never boyfriend and girlfriend I believe him. He has a lot more information than we have.

She could only hold a part time job because she was putting a lot of work into landing a big fish. She dealt with her money problems by convincing the men she kept hanging on that she had a dire need to borrow money. True sociopathic behavior is shown in all her known actions.

Jodi is the one who was the PLAYER. She was juggling a lot of men at one time. She constantly played one person against another, all the while presenting herself as a Special Snowflake.

Good post and let's not forget ja went on a trip with sky's brother and friends uninvited. There's a pic somewhere of her and the guys


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