Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/29 thru 2/2 - Break

[CarolinaMoon]

I'm thinking that Nurmi and Willmott are spending some time this weekend trying to figure out what to ask the Bishop on cross Monday. How do they think they will impeach him?

I notice that Juan kept his direct sweet and short. He didn't go into the Bishop's assessment of Travis as a person. I'm sure he could have and it more than likely would have been a positive impression.

I'd love to see N and W try to do just that and try to elicit some negative commentary about Travis' character. That isn't going to happen!

I am so looking forward to Dr. DeMarte on the stand, as I know we all are. So far, the defense has held JA's "mental illness" to be PTSD and possibly undiagnosed bi-polar. By the jury questions for Geffner, we know that someone on the panel is having difficulty with PTST, based on the testimony in this re-trial. Nobody asked about bi-polar.

I have a feeling Willmott will cross her again and try to best the doctor. That won't work, as she flubbered and flibbered around in the trial. She doesn't seem to learn from her mistakes.

It's going to be a fascinating week; that I know for sure.

 

[katydid23]

Willmott's intent was to raise doubt about when exactly, and how often, Deanna returned to the U.S., so that jurors might think it possible, at least, that Witness #1's testimony was true.

Hence:

Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 27s 27 seconds ago
Willmott pressuring Reid saying, "Your passport & immigration papers would confirm that you only came home once?" Reid: "Yes." #jodiarias

BBM

That sounds like something Juan would ask her. I could not believe that JW asked her that, and buttoned it up so nicely. Thanks JW!

 

[Hope4More]

Reading Picture Perfect for the first time.

Remember the DT's insinuation that TA shaved everywhere because he was a pedophile?

Hogan writes of the weekend in fall 2006 when Travis and Lisa were on their way to a group camping weekend. Lisa said he talked and joked a lot about himself on the way. Told her he really hated all body hair, joked about shaving it all, and told her it was about hygiene.

He was fastidious, almost or even OCD about hygiene and cleanliness. Brought extra toothbrushes on that trip for everyone, just in case, and he checked to see if everyone had one. Joking. But he meant it.

(The filth he experienced as a young boy, including having roaches crawl all over him as he slept, explains a lot).

 

[cricket49]

Posted by daisymae

Jodi Arias: Beyond the Headlines is coming on Lifetime tonight. Check your listings for the times.

"The Blue Eyed Butcher" is on in a few minutes. The Susan Wright story.

Brought this over from the sidebar section

 

[Truth Detector]

Yep, that's it, thank you. (I am glad to hear the question was actually asked and not my imagination!)

I get confused because I cannot always follow in real time; I get behind and then sometimes skim for just the facts because each tweet is posted so many times. But I admit to missing information this way so I probably should get a better handle on the facts prior to trying to answer someone else's question, LOL. And I supposed because in my mind jurors asking Deanna about that stuff seemed really off, until I consider that at that stage they had no idea a bishop would be on the stand next. Seems a much better question for a bishop but of course, how could they know?

Anyway...many sorries for any misleading I have done...

Anyone who isn't physically present in the courtroom each day but is attempting to follow the trial proceedings comprehensively is confused whether they know it or not.

Drawing conclusions from trial reporting by Tweet is like thinking you know someone's life story from their tombstone epitaph.

You might correctly assume a smidgen here and there, but the details are mostly unknown or just plain misunderstood.

 

[Hope4More]

Another relevant tidbit from book. Remember DT pointing out several text messages TA sent saying he wanted to get whatever girl pregnant? And that these were an indication of sexual activity?


Hogan interviewed Taylor Searle (on JM's witness list). One of his stories, in the context of TA's sense of humor, was that TA proposed a dare. Each would randomly choose the names of 2 women from each other's address books, then send the women a text that said: " I want to make you pregnant. "

Taylor didn't believe TA would really follow through, but he did. Right in front of Taylor. It was a JOKE.

 

[Truth Detector]

Does anybody have a count of how many times she was 'spun around' for various penetrations, or hits?

Not a count from her that I would believe.

Something close to zero, plus or minus zero.

Now, how many people she personally spun or tried to spin?

Dozens, easily...

 

[skab]

Where is Tuba?

 

[katydid23]

No offense to dear Travis but that journal entry sounds so teenagerish. It is possible that Travis was also a little immature when it came to matters of the heart. He might have initially and for a short while gotten infatuated with Arias to the point of considering her to be his girlfriend--fleeting and superficial. I bet he quickly got out of his infatuation but Arias wouldn't and couldn't move on.

He was immature, on the emotional level, imo. But I think it was because of his early home life. That is when young boys learn to transition into young men. And his learning curve would be stilted somewhat by his difficult circumstances. And after hearing what Chris Hughes said about TA in high school, I have even more respect for how amazing his life turned out. He went from a lonely nerd to T-Dogg. Good for him.

And it helps explain why he did not recognize JA's evil streak, at first. He had very little experience with women. He was blinded by the blonde bombshell facade. I hate her more and more, as time goes on. I hope the jury feels the same way.

 

[Truth Detector]

I wish there was a third option for the jury or the judge when it came to sentencing: like life in prison but with death row living conditions. I guess that'd be considered inhumane... But then again, the DP is worse.

There should be an option to execute the death sentence swiftly as originally intended.

Should that be the case, some might be surprised to see whether its deterrence of homicide is "fully actualized" ~ to paraphrase LKN.

 

[LisaC]

Secretive? Mysterious?

Sacred?

It's certainly exclusive.

'Cuz you can't get in,
Without a recommen'.

I totally agree. It's unfortunate because I think the secrecy and misunderstanding of the religion causes problems for many members and people unfamiliar with the LDS church. Look at how Travis has been unfairly scrutinized for some of the things he did. He was human and did human things and because he was trying to be a "good Mormon", he has had those things unfairly held against him. All this talk of, did he have a temple recommend or not is just nonsense, it doesn't matter at all.

 

[Truth Detector]

Where is Tuba?

I've wondered the same -- and I could add a handful of other WS-ers whose frequent posts we read during the guilt and first sentencing phases of the trial.

 

[katydid23]

I'm thinking that Nurmi and Willmott are spending some time this weekend trying to figure out what to ask the Bishop on cross Monday. How do they think they will impeach him?

I notice that Juan kept his direct sweet and short. He didn't go into the Bishop's assessment of Travis as a person. I'm sure he could have and it more than likely would have been a positive impression.

I'd love to see N and W try to do just that and try to elicit some negative commentary about Travis' character. That isn't going to happen!

I am so looking forward to Dr. DeMarte on the stand, as I know we all are. So far, the defense has held JA's "mental illness" to be PTSD and possibly undiagnosed bi-polar. By the jury questions for Geffner, we know that someone on the panel is having difficulty with PTST, based on the testimony in this re-trial. Nobody asked about bi-polar.

I have a feeling Willmott will cross her again and try to best the doctor. That won't work, as she flubbered and flibbered around in the trial. She doesn't seem to learn from her mistakes.

It's going to be a fascinating week; that I know for sure.

BBM

I am so curious how Nurmi is going to try and have a go at him. Juan never even brought up the 'couch scuffle'--so I am not sure if Nurmi can even ask about that. But maybe he can because Juan had the affidavit up on the screen, I believe. So IDK.

I imagine Nurmi will say " You have told us that TA only lived with you during these 2 months, etc .....DO U HAVE ANY PROOF of that?"

I am also wondering if Nurmi might go after the Bishops son a bit ?

 

[Ricki]

I don't think the jury will appreciate if the defense tries to slander, or go after the Bishop or his family in any negative way..but if JA has her way and her team listens to her, that is exactly what they will do. Jodi is very self destructive, even if she does not realize it.

 

[Wing Ding]

The electronic timeline seems to confirm this as well. IMO Travis considered JA his "girlfriend" the first few months of the relationship but by 12/06 he had moved on. I don't believe they were ever exclusive though. The only issue with this theory is the comment about the kiss with AA and JA claiming they weren't bf/gf at that time. Could she have changed the date trying to make Travis jealous and that's why the email was sent a year later?

I agree! TA probably thought of JA as his kinda sorta girlfriend in 2006 when they were in that "getting to know you" phase leading up to, and just after, her baptism. But did he also feel the same way between Feb 2007 and July 2007 when JA claims they were "official"? If so, that feeling was probably waning. Did they go to church together on a regular basis after she was baptised (or at all)? I don't think anyone's mentioned they did so maybe TA knew she wasn't the one for him after all. I'm sure he still wanted to help her be a better person so I doubt he told her to get lost, and that's probably why she continued to involve herself in his life. Would she have quietly gone away if he'd politely (or as JA likes to say, "gently") told her early on "hey, listen... you're great, but not right for me"? Maybe because of TA's rough upbringing he didn't want to make her feel bad, and genuinely wanted to help her in any way he could -- even if only as friends. Maybe that's when she opened up her factory for business. Before that, the only time I truly believe they had any physical intimacy was when they were bumping and grinding in Ehrenberg. Remember when he didn't call her for a couple of days afterwards? Out of guilt for what happened, perhaps?

But anyway, unless there was more than one email, I thought the email Jodi didn't send to Abe but "forwarded" to Travis re: Abe was in Feb 2007. It would make sense to me that JA would try to manipulate TA with an email like that because he had probably pulled back from any serious relationship with her by that point in time and she was trying to draw him back in by trying to make him jealous that other men are interested in her.

I think the discrepancy re: the bf/gf/kiss comment between TA & JA was JA probably considered the relationship was "official" months after TA did. That's my take on it anyway.

 

[Nali87]

I don't think the jury will appreciate if the defense tries to slander, or go after the Bishop or his family in any negative way..but if JA has her way and her team listens to her, that is exactly what they will do. Jodi is very self destructive, even if she does not realize it.

Do we know how the Bishop felt about TA/his personal life? They might bring that up, hoping he shared the same opinion as the Hughes.

 

[Truth Detector]

I'm thinking that Nurmi and Willmott are spending some time this weekend trying to figure out what to ask the Bishop on cross Monday. How do they think they will impeach him?

I notice that Juan kept his direct sweet and short. He didn't go into the Bishop's assessment of Travis as a person. I'm sure he could have and it more than likely would have been a positive impression.

I'd love to see N and W try to do just that and try to elicit some negative commentary about Travis' character. That isn't going to happen!

I am so looking forward to Dr. DeMarte on the stand, as I know we all are. So far, the defense has held JA's "mental illness" to be PTSD and possibly undiagnosed bi-polar. By the jury questions for Geffner, we know that someone on the panel is having difficulty with PTST, based on the testimony in this re-trial. Nobody asked about bi-polar.

I have a feeling Willmott will cross her again and try to best the doctor. That won't work, as she flubbered and flibbered around in the trial. She doesn't seem to learn from her mistakes.

It's going to be a fascinating week; that I know for sure.

IIRC, the lying torture murderess's Posse of Evil isn't pursuing bi-polar as a mitigator.

Instead, they latched onto Dr. DeMarte's dx of Borderline Personality Disorder.

Let's hope it's too little, too late -- not to mention too irrelevant.

 

[Teresa]

Yep, that's it, thank you. (I am glad to hear the question was actually asked and not my imagination!)

I get confused because I cannot always follow in real time; I get behind and then sometimes skim for just the facts because each tweet is posted so many times. But I admit to missing information this way so I probably should get a better handle on the facts prior to trying to answer someone else's question, LOL. And I supposed because in my mind jurors asking Deanna about that stuff seemed really off, until I consider that at that stage they had no idea a bishop would be on the stand next. Seems a much better question for a bishop but of course, how could they know?

Anyway...many sorries for any misleading I have done...

Hi, I think many of us do this. I know I do. I pop in and out but I miss much some days. Tweeting doesn't help one bit either!

 

[Truth Detector]

Do we know how the Bishop felt about TA/his personal life? They might bring that up, hoping he shared the same opinion as the Hughes.

While we don't know for certain, one might presume that they'd be too stupid to raise the issue unless they already know for sure one way or the other -- and unless they really believe they can use it to undermine BVP's credibility, of course.

 

[Ricki]

Do we know how the Bishop felt about TA/his personal life? They might bring that up, hoping he shared the same opinion as the Hughes.

I don't think how the Bishop felt about TA as a person has been mentioned. I would imagine if he thought of TA in a negative way, Juan wouldn't have the Bishop on the stand. JMO