Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/29 thru 2/2 - Break

[RickshawFan]

IIRC, it was a .22 and they are very quiet guns. They're so low caliber that I don't think the bullet even breaks the speed of sound. JMO

It was not a .22, but a .25.

 

[Hope4More]

The DEFENSE has rested for their part of mitigation.

I'm snarking, Ransom.

 

[Steely Dan]

They'll probably roll them in for her allocution. "My dad's been too sick to come every day like my mom, but you don't want one of a dying man's last thoughts to be watching his daughter get sentenced to death do you?"

BBM

He might not mind that much. :dunno:

 

[cindymac]

I now believe it was first too. I can understand why Dr. Horn believes it was last, but I think this is one of those weird instances where something unusual happened. Jodi used an old gun that was already a low caliber. It his brain but it grazed it. The disorientation and confusion placed Travis at a severe disadvantage while trying to defend himself from the knife attack. The gun probably jammed or the gun hurt her hand. And imo, it doesn't change the cruelty of it. It actually makes it worse. Travis may have been able to fight her off if he hadn't been shot first.

The gun was first. Jodi has been telling us all along.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "grazed" the brain, but if I understand you correctly, that's not what happened.

The bullet went directly into his brain, from the front, and passed through his brain to the other side of his head. It had to have, to have ended up where it did.

I also can't see any logical reason to dispute Dr. Horn's opinion that it would have been almost immediately incapacitating, given that there's no reason to suppose that Travis was immune to the immediate and inevitable trauma of a bullet passing throughthe brain - notably, massive shock waves and cavitation, rapid and extensive blood loss and brain swelling.

Imo, the only reason Arias has been "telling us all along" that she shot first, is because she found it impossible to create a stabbed-first self-defense narrative.

 

[RickshawFan]

Are you referring to this pic?

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The comment under that photo suggests she was sporting a new smile...... The fakery is mind boggling. How could she afford all this?

 

[Lochlynsmom]

Not necessarily imo. Wasn't the assumption based on those nude shots that they had had sex that day and then things "went wrong", the basis for arresting JA? Iirc they didn't have the dna/print evidence until after the arrest, though I could be wrong. As long as both the DT and the PT didn't dispute it, why upset things... it's just those of us who want ALL the questions answered that would like to know, especially since it would justify our belief that TA would not have fallen for one last tryst with her and go even further to illustrate the depths of JA's anger.

bbm-but if complete strangers want this so badly to be true imagine how the family feels. Would they not fight as hard as posters here have to find out the "truth"?

 

[RickshawFan]

I'm thinking a botched (but eventually successful) execution would be just desserts for JA.

I like the desserts part....In fact, I'll bet her last meal includes a strawberry frappy-chino.

 

[DebinGA]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "grazed" the brain, but if I understand you correctly, that's not what happened.

The bullet went directly into his brain, from the front, and passed through his brain to the other side of his head. It had to have, to have ended up where it did.

I also can't see any logical reason to dispute Dr. Horn's opinion that it would have been almost immediately incapacitating, given that there's no reason to suppose that Travis was immune to the immediate and inevitable trauma of a bullet passing throughthe brain - notably, massive shock waves and cavitation, rapid and extensive blood loss and brain swelling.

Imo, the only reason Arias has been "telling us all along" that she shot first, is because she found it impossible to create a stabbed-first self-defense narrative.

I think Dr. Horn described the bullet entering TA's head and traveling diagonally to end in his left cheek. Do we disbelieve Horn's contention that the lack of blood he found in the brain matter indicated TA had already mostly bled out prior to the shot?

 

[TexMex]

IF it was a misfire and JA managed to clear it (LMAO) then where was the bad cartridge? To clear a misfire the cartridge needs to be ejected to continue to fire. Second shot into TA head and the casing is visible in a pool on blood and on TOP of the blood and didn't roll in there, IMO.

So ... to sum it up. Jodi managed to clear a misfire and picked up that misfired cartridge, but forgot to pick up the casing from the bullet in TA head???? Don't agree, but that's okay. I'm in the group that agrees that shot was last. JMO and I respect all the views. Peace

The shot was last for the reasons you state plus the other forensics. The blood evidence supports the chest stab in the shower...the defensive wounds to the hands in the shower as he tries to grab the knife away..his hands were cut and bleeding when he got to the sink where he looks in the mirror to see what the hell this woman had just done. His palms and thumb were bleeding as he leaned on the sink. While he's there she's behind him inflicting those nine horrific stabs to his upper back. Travis knows he's got to try to get to the bedroom door and to the stairs. He staggered down the hall and got almost to the carpet when ...he leaves a rainbow of blood on the wall as he falls to the ground and sees his attacker advance on him to deliver the coup de grace.

As Juan told it in closing
"He’s stumbling with somebody after him. He’s trying to get away from her. (Juan sees JA crying) Oh, she may cry now on instructions sympathy is not to be considered. Blood on the other wall, more at the bottom. She chases him down, that’s what she did. He’s still alive. How many stab wounds? Do we need to count? One to the chest will kill him. The back of the head, his back, accelerating his departure from earth. The end of his rainbow. That’s what she does (pic) slits his throat from ear to ear. He got there by his own movements as he tried to get away from her. He collapses. She goes for the throat."

 

[TexMex]

bbm-but if complete strangers want this so badly to be true imagine how the family feels. Would they not fight as hard as posters here have to find out the "truth"?

Exactly. Juan has defended and rescued Travis's reputation at every single opportunity. But the pics don't lie this time. They had a fight weeks ago...she shows up with apologies and KY...make up sex (just like Travis predicted in the May 26 fight)

 

[Truth Detector]

The gunshot first theory is one that I have flip-flopped on myself a lot during this trial.

For those who use the shell casing in the blood as indication it must have come last, there is another possibility I could see happening where the gunshot still could have been first.

If you look very closely at one of the tile shots where the casing is laying the blood. There is channels inbetween the tiles where the grout goes. Lets assume the shot came first and casing landed on that tile. I could see where later on, blood slowly dripped down those grout channels and slowly encompassed the bullet casing. Over time, the blood possibly flowed all around the casing making it look like the casing landed on top if it.

That is one possibility that still allows the shot to be first and explains that picture of the shell casing in the blood with no blood on top of it.

IIRC, the gunshot wound was incapacitating.

How does TA get up, struggle to the sink through the 62-second stabbing frenzy, and then fall again and crawl down the hall -- all with a bullet having passed through his brain?

Given the evidence, including the autopsy, I'll always believe that the chest wound came first or shortly after the first knife wound.

She slit his throat and shot him in the face because: (1) She didn't like the noises he was making (see the evil letter to the family), and (2) He wasn't dying fast enough for her.

 

[TexMex]

She isn't a little girl. Jodi is taller than Juan Martinez and Jennifer Wilmont. It shows her height is between 5'4 -5'6 and her weight around 125 lbs

And the knife she brought was bigger than her gun! I think she took the gun along for her protection or to use it to make it look like two people committed the killing. Her plan all along was Jodi..in the shower...with the knife.
Travis was supposed to fall down and the blood flow down the drain like in the movies

 

[Koshka]

When reading this motion that JA filed in October 2013 to remove kirk nurmi, she talks in it about Nurmi not being nice to her when she freaked out in response to her DT deciding to play the sex tape in open court. Remember back to the day they went into chambers and all of sudden court was cancelled? it wasn't a migraine, it was her flipping out about the upcoming sex tape. This motion she wrote is pretty informative about some things. If you have time, read it.

Jodi Arias letter.pdf (not sure if this is going to be a link...but I tried)http://www.businessinsider.com/jodi-arias-wants-to-fire-kirk-nurmi-2013-10

Very interesting. Couple of thoughts:
1. Jeez she is verbose. She either has no idea how to get to the point and/or she loves her own voice.
2. Seems like she hates Nurmi. Probably because he seems to have her number:

"Mr. Nurmi, however, in his utter poverty of people skills, simply said to me with contempt, You're not going get your own way just because you throw a tantrum."

3. She takes every opportunity to rehash the pedophile/sex stuff and throw accusations of lying around (Flores, Deanna Reid). Can't let it go even when it has no need to be brought up.

 

[Truth Detector]

I'm almost positive that is a photoshopped pic. If you already know that - just ignore me. I'm a fool sometimes.

Photoshopped?

Why that image is every bit as genuine as all the evidence presented by JA's Posse of Evil in this case.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

There could have been a shot both before and after the stabbings, but the gun jammed the first time.....

There is no such thing as "high magnum" gunpowder. A magnum is a term used to describe a cartridge that is larger (or longer) than it's predecessor. Example being...a .44 magnum casing is a longer version of a standard .44 standard caliber casing, thus containing more of the same powder used in the .44 standard. The magnum designation covers other calibers such as the .22 magnum, .357 magnum, etc. The same size of bullet is used in the standard and the magnum calibers. It is a fact that some semi automatic weapons are ammunition sensitive and will jam with certain powder charges that affect the gun's operation. A few of the .25 caliber and .22 caliber handguns are notorious for jamming more so than others and they are actually considered a bad choice for self defense because of this. I believe that the gun in question was a Berretta .25 caliber and Berretta is a very reputable manufacturer. But the nature of the .25 caliber cartridge can be a problem in almost any .25 caliber handgun. I owned a Browning (high quality) .25 years ago and it never once failed in use, it cost $100.00 dollars more than any other brand. I would not trust any other brand. It wasn't purchased for self defense though. I will never believe that there was a second shot attempt. He was already dead when she shot him, the body noises in it's death throws led her to believe that he wasn't dead so she finished it off. Her coup de grace.

 

[MarVa]

Lies, lies, ies.......JA's freak-out had to have been faked. She luuuuurved that the sex tape was played. She luuuuuuurved it over and over again. IIRC, she was in the middle of being crossed by JM at the time she went berserk: what's not to freak out about?

I wonder if they got to use the stun belt in chambers when she went berserk.

 

[04009margaret]

Marc Magee & JA just can't get their lies straight. Here's a totally different description of TA from MM.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/jodiarias

 

[Truth Detector]

Regarding masturbation and Mormon doctrine....

IMO, interesting that women seem to be excluded from this capability, not to mention women watching adult porn. Now I see why JA keeps wanting "masturbation" and "Travis" linked. It's as offensive an event as sex with another person if you're not married, and would likely get you into big trouble with the Bishop. Of course, we don't know how often she was committing the "m" act, either.... Speculation?

Not speculation, but also unproven:

She claimed in testibaloney that it took two hands for her to, well, you know.

She also said regarding the phexing (phone sexing) that she faked it.

 

[Truth Detector]

BBM ~ True, but originally so did LE.

No argument there.

That rush to judgment and the missing murder weapons were the primary weaknesses in the State's case, and it didn't suffer much from those.

She was found guilty by a jury of her peers and at least one now-not-so-secret admirer.

But since we're beyond the guilt phase it's irrelevant.

The jury needs to focus on the autopsy photos and her torture letter to the family.

 

[Truth Detector]

And the knife she brought was bigger than her gun! I think she took the gun along for her protection or to use it to make it look like two people committed the killing. Her plan all along was Jodi..in the shower...with the knife.
Travis was supposed to fall down and the blood flow down the drain like in the movies

You sooo nailed it.