Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/26 -12/02/14 In recess

[ILikeToBendPages]

Aiken works in some capacity (I forget which) with the prison system and if he were to testify it would be, IMO, to the extent of what JA's prison experience might be. IOW, he would tell how awful prison is, hoping to get the jury to see that she would suffer with a Life sentence, so there is really no need for DP to truly punish. Or something like that.

I posted this

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._Aiken


According to wikipedia

He is the president of James E. Aiken & Associates, Inc.[1] He serves as a consultant to attorneys and as an expert witness in civil and death penalty cases.[1] He has served as an expert witness on prison conditions and future inmate dangerousness at U.S. Federal Courts in multiple jurisdictions. I bet you a dollar to a donut that he's going to say that Jodi will do fine in general population

and from The Rutland Hearld July 8, 2005 - Aiken was also shown a listing of Fell's displininary record, which included nearly 20 incidents, ranging from fighting and spitting at prison guards to drug possession. "He is at the lower range of even being disruptive and nowhere near the range of being a predator," Aiken said of Fell. And poor CF had a bad childhood and was abused

He may be one of the affidavit Juan mentions.

 

[krkrjx]

Ever watch Everybody Love Raymond? It's not soy but bean tofu, but you'll get the idea.



[video=youtube;dg2JDmDOSDI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dg2JDmDOSDI[/video]

Tofu is bean curd, made from soybeans. The tofurkey on Everybody Loves Raymond is made from exactly the same ingredient--it's just prepared in a different form.

Some people like tofu and I would imagine there are some tasty ways of fixing it, but tofurkey is probably not one. Bean curd bird sounds perfectly disgusting and therefore I am not bothered in the least that the killer is getting that on Turkey Day.

 

[krkrjx]

There may not be much in what she has testified to so far. Remember how Nurmi D-R-A-W-S out testimony from her? It took him days to get to her high school years last time, I think.

I agree that the transcript probably will not yield a ton of interesting testimony. It might not even tell us why it supposedly had to be secret given how slowly Nurmi/JA tend to go...and she had only testified for a couple hours or so by the time they had to stop for oral argument at CoA, right? Then the ruling came quickly that media could not be shut out, which ended the secret testimony at that point even though that had not yet been ruled on. Killer was not on the stand in secret a second day, was she?

 

[Nore]

I was not being clear about the backside surgery her father mentioned. If it was corrective surgery then it would have been done as an infant and so she would not remember IMO.

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Hi ICit, her Dad said he didn't know why she had surgery
on her bottom. I surmised this after seeing her nude photos. There is something wrong. I don't think she told Travis, who even having had sex sounds rather naïve. Maybe he found out. Maybe I am totally wrong but others have felt the same. She has the structure of a male.IMO. This is not something for a person to be ashamed of should they choose this surgery. Look at Chaz Bono. no one holds anything against him. IMO.

 

[ICit]

I'm in the "camp" with Val1. I've known several transgender and he/she individuals. I commented about this in the first trial. Maybe CMJA is just big boned, but she sure has big hands and a hard jaw line. Maybe she's just chock full 'o testosterone. I had a great friend, years back, who went the whole gender reassignment who would have been a dead ringer for CMJA's "sister", but far more pretty and exotic.
The phrases "tired", and "just a boy in a dress" come to mind.................RuPaul would have a field day....

It is a gut feeling. I have had it from early on. It also makes me wonder if that wasn't what some of the secret meetings and her need to testify secretly this time was all about. Another Pity Party Ploy from an evil murderer.

IMO there is definitely something going on with HER.

Got my turkey in the oven. Reading all the posts. Your minds are amazing. First it never occurred to me that JA would be transgendered. What a good little story to tell to the jury. Why not? She has tried everything else.

I am very simple minded. I personally think she took a pill or some meth on her way to see Travis that gave her super strength. You have to remember she was into pot at the age of 14, and into the occult with Bobby Juarez by 17. You KNOW she knows about drugs. Those are facts. Of course, once Travis was stabbed or shot, Jodi didn't need much strength to finish the job. Since she wasn't tested, we will never know. Anyway, deceit is her middle name.

Second, about her giving birth to a child when she was very young, possibly her own sister? Here goes. I am a mother and to me, that would have softenend her heart, not made her into a psycho. I guess I have seen so many people through my lifetime who have faced and overcame so much adversity, that I have NO PITY for this murderer. I do not care what she said on the witness stand, whether she was raped, beaten, gave birth, did drugs! Whether she is male or female, so what?!........what it all comes down to is that she made a sweet young man pay with his life because he wasn't going to marry her and give her the life she wanted. A life she did not deserve, never worked for. She had a sense of entitlement. I feel certain that had he married her, she would have one day killed him....or their children. She has a black heart.

No. You cannot make me cry for her, feel sad for her. She did this. She chose her path. She lied. She covered it up. And I believe she was on her way to do it again.

I think that if that was the reason, the testimony would have maybe been sealed for a long time. The secret testimony that was heard in court, was going to be released right after the JA verdict in December/January. The person would have had to deal with the consequences in January or whenever there's a verdict anyways.

I'm kind of puzzled at all these scenario's that are being presented all out of a sudden. Jodi being a hermaphrodite, Jodi having a secret child, Jodi on meth. What's going on? :thinking:

Iirc, when her dad gave an interview with Det Flores, he is the one who mentioned Jodi having surgery on her backside. I never saw any interview with Jodi where she said her dad told her that and she didn't remember. I have had required surgeries, never cosmetic, and you do NOT forget being cut on. It hurts! She is so full of lies and bs. Even when you cut Your finger it hurts!!

What she did to Travis was horrible. She is an animal making him suffer like that.

Perhaps some PCP thrown in for good measure. That supposedly gives super human strength.

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Hi ICit, her Dad said he didn't know why she had surgery
on her bottom. I surmised this after seeing her nude photos. There is something wrong. I don't think she told Travis, who even having had sex sounds rather naïve. Maybe he found out. Maybe I am totally wrong but others have felt the same. She has the structure of a male.IMO. This is not something for a person to be ashamed of should they choose this surgery. Look at Chaz Bono. no one holds anything against him. IMO.

I am not saying that it is something to be ashamed of, I was looking at this as been a reason for the 'very strong girl' comment from Ryan, as well as all her other physical attributes. I just feel that there was something more OFF about her other than the psycho side we all saw.

 

[NashBridges2]

@jeffgoldesq: "@courtchatter: COA is not finished. Still 'under advisement' only has ruled about #JodiArias testifying. Watch for further ruling to come.

Further ruling?? On what? I didn't realize they had other issues with this case to rule on. The only way this could get any better was if they ruled the media could start airing the trial live on TV but I don't think that issue was even brought forward to them.

Anyone have any clue what this means?

 

[Nore]

I am not saying that it is something to be ashamed of, I was looking at this as been a reason for the 'very strong girl' comment from Ryan, as well as all her other physical attributes. I just feel that there was something more OFF about her other than the psycho side we all saw.

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ICit, oh I didn't mean you thought it shameful I meant her. Being her, I don't think she would ever say yes I did. After all she is perfect. :takeabow:

 

[krkrjx]

Further ruling?? On what? I didn't realize they had other issues with this case to rule on. The only way this could get any better was if they ruled the media could start airing the trial live on TV but I don't think that issue was even brought forward to them.

Anyone have any clue what this means?

There could be some confusion given the CoA has apparently stated they will issue an opinion on their ruling. That is where there should be discussion of how they arrived at their ruling, citing law supporting the ruling, etc., and possibly it is believed that because this opinion has yet to be published there is further ruling yet to be published. Of course, it may be the case that there is further ruling to come, but it also may be that all that is left to come is the CoA opinion on the issues already ruled on--secret testimony and media banned from the courtroom.

 

[Love Never Fails]

@jeffgoldesq: "@courtchatter: COA is not finished. Still 'under advisement' only has ruled about #JodiArias testifying. Watch for further ruling to come.

Ok so if this was just to say Jodi cannot testify under cloak of secrecy, what else might the court have to rule on? Anyone understand? Surely it is only to say that JSS cannot shut out media or public Right?

 

[katiecoolady]

KCL, I don't understand where your thinking is headed when you say there was a larger split than 8 to 4. Do you mean it was more like 6 to 6 or more in the direction of 11 to 1?

Whenever I hear, and this isn't the first trial where I have heard this, that one particular juror just refuses to deliberate, the rest of the jury should let the judge know their name. That juror should be given jail time for every day the trial lasted for not doing his duty. That's just insane.

More in the exact direction of 11/1.

 

[katiecoolady]

Katie, have you spoken to your sources post conviction? I'm curious if any of the jurors that were hung have changed their mind based on evidence that they weren't able to see during trial such as stalking, interviews ect

I only spoke with them after they were released post verdict but they aren't speaking publicly til this is all wrapped up. Except their rogue foreperson of course. I hope they give extensive interviews about all of it after this phase.

 

[Zinvestigator]

What an excellent post!

 

[krkrjx]

Ok so if this was just to say Jodi cannot testify under cloak of secrecy, what else might the court have to rule on? Anyone understand? Surely it is only to say that JSS cannot shut out media or public Right?

I think the implication is that the CoA might rule that secret testimony of other witnesses might be deemed to be not a violation of First Amendment. (I disagree it would not be a violation but the CoA did not ask me).

I doubt they will allow any secret testimony but since we don't know who all the DT witnesses are, there remains the possibility that one or two might claim they need secrecy. I hope JSS is ready if it happens, and is able to make a swift and proper ruling.

 

[mydirtysecret]

But on a serious note, I've wondered(laughed at) if CMJA is going to dust off the ol power point presentatiduring this allocution? God forbid I ever have to go before a jury who is literally deciding my fate they'd have to peel me from the floor as I tearfully weapt and expressed how sorry I was. My jaw was dropped as she gave a power point presentation on why her life should be spared. Can you get any further removed emotionally or directly than an impersonal power point?

 

[janx]

I think the implication is that the CoA might rule that secret testimony of other witnesses might be deemed to be not a violation of First Amendment. (I disagree it would not be a violation but the CoA did not ask me).

I doubt they will allow any secret testimony but since we don't know who all the DT witnesses are, there remains the possibility that one or two might claim they need secrecy. I hope JSS is ready if it happens, and is able to make a swift and proper ruling.

I thought so too, initially. But look at what goes on in the CoA hearing, starting at 10:40:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_k7P_QQ4Fs

Nurmi refers to previous witnesses and muddies the waters, but it turns out that there is only ONE witness he is trying to protect.

 

[Love Never Fails]

More in the exact direction of 11/1.

Oh okay. I understand a little more now. What a shame. I do hope this jury will favor the Alexander family. They have suffered so much.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think the implication is that the CoA might rule that secret testimony of other witnesses might be deemed to be not a violation of First Amendment. (I disagree it would not be a violation but the CoA did not ask me).

I doubt they will allow any secret testimony but since we don't know who all the DT witnesses are, there remains the possibility that one or two might claim they need secrecy. I hope JSS is ready if it happens, and is able to make a swift and proper ruling.

Well, I certainly don't know what they are thinking but surely after ruling Jodi's testimony can't be a secret, maybe their ruling will be geared toward making sure JSS knows not to violate the First amendment rights of a free press?

 

[Sulamith]

Oh okay. I understand a little more now. What a shame. I do hope this jury will favor the Alexander family. They have suffered so much.

The jury will not favor the Alexander family. The jury probably knows nothing about them. They are not part of this murder trial.

 

[cindymac]

The jury will not favor the Alexander family. The jury probably knows nothing about them. They are not part of this murder trial.

The Alexander family is very much part of the trial, legally and otherwise. In the eyes of the law, they are victims, and have certain rights under the Victim's Bill of Rights. This includes the right to be present at, and included in, all parts of the trial where Arias has a right to be present.
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/const/2/2_1.htm

Also, the jury is well aware of who they are, as Stephen and Tanisha have given Victim Impact Statements in this penalty phase retrial. They may have known who they were through media seen before they became jurors - knowledge of the case was not a bar to jury service if they believed it would not affect their ability to judge the case on evidence presented at court.

ETA: Personally I read "favor the Alexander family" as meaning it was hoped that their decision would happen to be a good one for the family, not that their decision would be unduly swayed by the family.

 

[janx]

Well, I certainly don't know what they are thinking but surely after ruling Jodi's testimony can't be a secret, maybe their ruling will be geared toward making sure JSS knows not to violate the First amendment rights of a free press?

Not just a free press. More importantly, the citizens of Arizona.