Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/26 -12/02/14 In recess

[geevee]

BBM From reading the reviews I had posted, using the NightShot infrared system(changes the ISO iirc) especially with the noise reduction gives grainy pics accounting for some of them and like I suspect, some were taken with a different camera(aka JA's).

I do know that you can change dates on pics on some cameras, but it's that some show dates and some don't have anything that's strange if they were all taken at the same time. I suspect she used the remote for her nude shots(the focus was off in those), actually took the nude ones of TA herself(focus was much better), but all the nudes were taken in low light which leads me to suspect JA had used either TA's with the NightShot which apparently does not perform as well as would be hoped(see the reviews I had previously posted, there's a baby pic as an example) or her older camera that was apparently broken at some point. The shower pics I think she used the Zoom and perhaps the noise reduction and the NightShot so TA wouldn't notice her taking the pics, obviously he did notice(ergo the face pic we all know so well) because even the NightShot gives off a bit of a flash and that's when the jig was up imo.

Yea the memory cards... I think she was hoping to cover herself at first by claiming that they were hers, then realized that they had accessed the deleted pics too. That's when her story started changing iirc.

Really interesting theory on the pics, Val. About the pics without date/timestamp, I believe Melendez said they were thumbnails, the only images they could pull of those from the unallocated space and apparently thumbnails don't retain any EXIF data for Encase to have used for date and time stamps.

 

[ElleElle]

I'm not sure I understand the correlation. You mean by taking the conversation in a different direction you satisfied what he meant by wanting to keep it in the original? I'm not sure that's the same. He didn't want her to go deeper into that territory. He wanted her to extricate herself from it by confessing and explaining. She did the opposite, and by that showed him he was not having the desired effect on her.

Master manipulator for sure.

She had over 1 month to prepare for this day, as even she said she was going to get caught. She brought the gun because she knew it wasn't found at the crime scene because she ditched it

JMO.

 

[Hatfield]

A partial "truth". A Jodi truth, which means encircled within a big lie that somehow still benefits her.

Remember she even got into it with Travis a day into their "relationship". Bet he saw early on that she could mold reality to her benefit, but then ignored it when JA went into her little innocent girl "act".

I don't think at this point she has any problem being infamous. She is the seducer, Delilah, Lilith, Black Widow. Recently I read some of the last chats with Travis where she was portraying herself as the evil one. She just does not care...as long as she gets what she wants, or makes people pay if they get in her way.

The women has NO SHAME, none.

Remember the video where she was with Travis at some friends place and Travis was telling a very interesting story. I think the story was how he almost got shot during a robbery or something like that.

Watching Jodi's selfishness and self-centeredness was incredible. She wanted Travis all to herself and she was jealous of everyone getting his attention. The story was fascinating and everyone was interested but there is Jodi squirming like a small child not getting mommys attention. She pretends to be so tired and wanted to leave so she even pretends to fall asleep during the story.

It was a perfect example of how she is very conniving, a liar, selfishness, etc. and trying to get what she wanted and to heck with everyone else.

 

[Steve44]

The JA supporters rumor about the gas cans - I believe they do have some "inside" info. There were leaks that they knew Jodi was going to take the stand (in the secret witness testimony). I assume that if the gas can rumor is true - Nurmi is going to try and discredit this theory for purposes of saying there was no premeditation - therefore JA doesn't deserve the DP.

I also believe that the CoA is going to say there are many "least restrictive alternatives" to closing the courtroom, but I truly hope they have put some "verbs" in their explanation of the orders. ie: release the secret witness testimony now unless you can prove there is an imminent harm to a witness - and btw Jodi facing the DP doesn't count as the "imminent harm to a witness". (At least that is my theory on Nurmi's hole filled argument for the secret hearings).

It would be a waste of time for Nurmi to bring up the gas cans again, and I'm not even sure he would be allowed to. The jury has already been instructed that they have to accept the premeditation M1 conviction, and Nurmi is not allowed to re-try the guilt phase. It may appear that he's doing just that, but really all he's doing is trying to make Travis look as bad as possible. I said in an earlier post that it's the Godzilla vs. King Kong defense as opposed to Godzilla vs. the helpless village. If he can make Travis look bad, Jodi looks slightly better by comparison than she would otherwise. The excitement in the Jodi camp about the gas cans is probably about them looking forward to issues in appeal.

 

[ElleElle]

I recall researching this during the original trial.

You can indeed save images to the internal memory of the Sony Cybershot DSC-H9:

View attachment 64558

Yes, because this camera has a built in operating system, and functions like a computer.

JMO

 

[geevee]

I agree about the pictures in the shower. The one where he was looking directly at her,IMO showed fear in his eyes. I've always wondered if he saw the knife or gun at that point.

In the 5:28:54 pic (two pics before the fully seated pic), where he's getting into a seated position is hard to see clearly because we never got a still shot of it before JM moved it off the projector but it appears he bumped his nose on his knee. In the fully seated pic (5:29:20), if you look closely at his nostril on the right (as we view the pic) you can see a trickle of blood coming out, and that eye is watery. For him to have moved so quickly into a seated position she must have had a weapon displayed and demanding he sit, imo.

 

[Steve44]

Master manipulator for sure.

She had over 1 month to prepare for this day, as even she said she was going to get caught. She brought the gun because she knew it wasn't found at the crime scene because she ditched it

JMO.

But she didn't bring up the gun that was used in the murder. First she asked him about his gun, then she said "I just bought a gun." Here she was referring to the gun that was found taped under the hood of her rented getaway car. I still think it was a subject she brought up, unprompted, to show that she wasn't in the least intimated by the subject matter. Who begins casually discussing guns during an interrogation interview involving a brutal murder? That was her point; that she was not intimidated.

The whole purpose of Det. Flores going there to interview her was to confront her with the crime, its gory, brutal, nature, and to show that he had plenty of evidence against her. He didn't need the interview to charge her and win conviction. The interview was solely to intimidate her into a confession, and an explanation, all this to make the legal process smoother, and perhaps to give the family a greater sense of closure. All of that rested on breaking down her resistance, getting her to acquiesce, admit her guilt, show remorse. By showing that she could casually discuss GUNS in the midst of all this, while not giving him anything mentioned above that he wanted, was her way of showing him that he was getting exactly nowhere.

 

[bsk]

I read somewhere that JA's supporters think that the gas can issue will be resolved. As in Jodi will be proven right or something like that. I doubt that's the case, but aren't we at sentencing? How could that be introduced in at this stage?

BN found a record of a return at WalMart. He will produce it as soon as he is finished creating it.

 

[ElleElle]

Det.F. told JA pics had been recovered during the interrogation on July 15, 2008 and iirc JA had an older Sony camera, I seem to recall that she mentioned something about that when telling how she'd helped TA decide what kind of camera to get. Sorry for all the quotes from the transcripts, I just thought rather than making you reread it all..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...PTS-of-the-Interrogation-Videos-of-Jodi-Arias
"05:55
DF: I traveled all the way up here to talk to you because … you know I’ve been working on Travis’s case ever since it happened, okay, and I know exactly when it happened, when he was killed, and a lot of details, and just recently we found quite a bit of evidence, and I’ll discuss that with you. The main thing that I’m looking for though is answers on why certain things happened… why they went so far and also to get your statements."

"07:37
DF: Let’s see this is July 15, 2008. Correct?"

"29:15
DF: You were at Travis’s house. You guys had a sexual encounter, which there’s pictures, and we know there are pictures, because I have them. I will show them to you. Okay? So… what I’m asking you is for you to be honest with me. I know you were there."

"30:09
DF: Remember I told you about the camera. That camera was damaged. Someone put it in the washing machine. Ran it through a wash cycle with some clothes of Travis’s, but the card is intact. Remember I told you that card was destroyed? I didn’t want to tell you the truth, because I wanted to make sure those photos were accurate and we can pull deleted photos. I don’t care if you delete ‘em six months ago, we can pull every photo that was on there… pull the little pixels together, get the time stamps, and we can verify those time stamps, and I have pictures of you in Travis’s bedroom with Travis, pictures of him, and it’s obvious you guys are having sex, taking photos of each other, and they’re dated and time stamped on the day he died."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-the-Interrogation-Videos-of-Jodi-Arias/page2
"09:55
JA: Is there any way I can see some of those photos?

10:00
FO: What would you do with them if you could see them?

10:03
JA: Just look at them."

"08:07
JA: Can I … Can I ask you? I don’t know if you know this. Ohhhh, I have a camera and it’s in my storage unit that I don’t use any more but Travis and I used to use frequently, and we took pictures with it. Ummmm… this is… I don’t know. This is kind of.

08:25
DF: Do you remember taking these pictures?

08:30
JA: There were many pictures. I… Vaguely. There were…we took tons and tons of pictures. Some I saved and most we deleted. Umm…Some he sent me through his phone.

08:40
DF: He usually deleted all the pictures like this.

JA: Yeah, well, before he got…

08:45
DF: Any pictures like this that I found anywhere on his computer, camera, anything, they were deleted.

08:56
JA: Well, prior to him getting his camera all of those pictures were on my camera. Umm…so,

09:05:
DF: All these same pictures?

09:09
Umm…I don’t know. I don’t know. We took…umm…we took a bunch the week before I left. Umm….we took a bunch over the last 6 or 7 months. Umm we took over the last year even when we were still dating but we would delete them mostly.

There were some that he sent me that I didn’t delete. Umm…what I’m asking… is it possible that you know that my memory card would have been in his camera, if they’re interchangeable?

09:47
DF: How do you know if they’re interchangeable?

09:49
JA: I don’t…That’s why I’m asking is what kind of memory card it was…

09:53
Just a regular little sd card.

09:56
(JA reaches across the table, picks up a pencil/pen and begins to draw on DF’s paper)
JA: Well, cos I’ve got one…I’ve got one that’s like this big, and it’s thin, like a cracker. The one I use in my professional camera is like this size, and it’s more kinda’ like that big, and the little one is really thin, and it’s got like little thingy’s here. (unintelligible)…one looks like that in the middle part, so that one obviously probably wouldn’t be interchangeable because it’s a Canon and it’s…

10:23
DF: It’s not interchangeable.

10:25
JA: But… the other one… (Sighs) I don’t know. I don’t know.

10:30
DF: Your camera’s here. His camera’s there. He just bought that camera.


10:33
JA: Well, the other camera that I used before that’s broken now it’s in my storage unit. But it’s still there.

10:39
DF: And you’re saying those pictures are on that camera?

10:42
JA: I’m… no… what I’m saying is, I had several memory cards for this camera that I don’t have any more, and so, I guess… it’s so far fetched… I would guess it’s possible that my card…

10:57
DF: You’re saying somebody took your pictures or your card and is framing you and put that into his camera and…

11:04
JA: No, no, no, no. I’m just saying that if… if my memory cards were left at his house he could…he would have used those for his camera. I don’t know. I don’t know. I can explain the blood though and I can explain the hair. I don’t know about the palm print."

Thanks Val1 :cheers:

This whole conversation shows me TAs Sony SD card was NOT interchangeable in HER cameras. She knew she was busted at that exact moment.

 

[ElleElle]

But she didn't have to copy anything if she used a memory card that already had pics on it, it would just add more pics to it. Now whether it would show dates... anything actually taken with the new camera apparently would, but the old pics already on the card would have had to be altered or left blank. Some of the pics had no dates.

Sony is proprietary. You cannot use a random SD card in a Sony camera. They even have their own chargers.

 

[ICit]

With all due respect, I believe if TA had agreed to take her to Cancun he would have lived. She may have also given him an ultimatum to marry her or, what he didn't know, die. JMO

Remember in one of her interviews she said that she would not be a danger to anyone unless they tried to kill her life ? I believe that was the reason that she did kill Travis. He was going on a PPL cruise and going to tell everyone who she really was and that would have killed her life, at least the one she had planned to marry a well off Morman.

 

[SyraKelly]

Hi everyone,
Is there a list of witnesses that have all ready testified?
TIA

 

[katydid23]

It would be a waste of time for Nurmi to bring up the gas cans again, and I'm not even sure he would be allowed to. The jury has already been instructed that they have to accept the premeditation M1 conviction, and Nurmi is not allowed to re-try the guilt phase. It may appear that he's doing just that, but really all he's doing is trying to make Travis look as bad as possible. I said in an earlier post that it's the Godzilla vs. King Kong defense as opposed to Godzilla vs. the helpless village. If he can make Travis look bad, Jodi looks slightly better by comparison than she would otherwise. The excitement in the Jodi camp about the gas cans is probably about them looking forward to issues in appeal.

Yes, It would be a waste of time, but that has never stopped Nurmi before. I think, if the super secret witness continues her testimony, they will try to fix that issue. Unsuccessfully, of course.

 

[Steve44]

Yes, It would be a waste of time, but that has never stopped Nurmi before.

LOL I knew that comment was coming...

 

[ICit]

Thanks Val1 :cheers:

This whole conversation shows me TAs Sony SD card was NOT interchangeable in HER cameras. She knew she was busted at that exact moment.

She drew the cards for Flores AND at some time admitted that she knew exactly that Travis bought because there was a photo of it on the computer (yet another contradiction to her story that she helped him pick it out). She could have bought a memory card to fit his new camera.

 

[ElleElle]

She drew the cards for Flores AND at some time admitted that she knew exactly that Travis bought because there was a photo of it on the computer (yet another contradiction to her story that she helped him pick it out). She could have bought a memory card to fit his new camera.

She could have. Regardless, it still proves she was there on Jun4 because she was in the pics too.

 

[LinasK]

The JA supporters rumor about the gas cans - I believe they do have some "inside" info. There were leaks that they knew Jodi was going to take the stand (in the secret witness testimony). I assume that if the gas can rumor is true - Nurmi is going to try and discredit this theory for purposes of saying there was no premeditation - therefore JA doesn't deserve the DP.

I also believe that the CoA is going to say there are many "least restrictive alternatives" to closing the courtroom, but I truly hope they have put some "verbs" in their explanation of the orders. ie: release the secret witness testimony now unless you can prove there is an imminent harm to a witness - and btw Jodi facing the DP doesn't count as the "imminent harm to a witness". (At least that is my theory on Nurmi's hole filled argument for the secret hearings).

What's the gas can rumor? Even without enough gas to not have to fill up in Arizona, there's still plenty of other premeditation- Grandpa's stolen gun which matches the ballistics of the gun that shot Travis, the inconspicuous rental car rented 100 miles away, the hair dye, the flipped license plate, the post-murder voicemails and e-mails to establish alibi...

 

[LinasK]

With all due respect, I believe if TA had agreed to take her to Cancun he would have lived. She may have also given him an ultimatum to marry her or, what he didn't know, die. JMO

Steely, I used to think that. But having learned more about how she operates- she's a black widow. Since Travis told her that she was the worst thing that ever happened to him- she decided then he had to die.Travis probably wouldn't have agreed to take her to Cancun or marry her unless he knew he was faced with the ultimatum of death, and even then we don't know how he would have answered, or if she ever even gave him that choice. Once he said "no" to either of those things, his fate was sealed. She came prepared. Noone drives 1,000 miles to see their abuser. Only an obsessed psychopath does that.

 

[LinasK]

Remember the video where she was with Travis at some friends place and Travis was telling a very interesting story. I think the story was how he almost got shot during a robbery or something like that.

Watching Jodi's selfishness and self-centeredness was incredible. She wanted Travis all to herself and she was jealous of everyone getting his attention. The story was fascinating and everyone was interested but there is Jodi squirming like a small child not getting mommys attention. She pretends to be so tired and wanted to leave so she even pretends to fall asleep during the story.

It was a perfect example of how she is very conniving, a liar, selfishness, etc. and trying to get what she wanted and to heck with everyone else.

Yeah, even going so far as to have her head in his lap. Possesive and immature behavior when done in front of everyone else. It's not like they were snuggled up in front of the fireplace alone watching TV.

 

[LinasK]

But she didn't bring up the gun that was used in the murder. First she asked him about his gun, then she said "I just bought a gun." Here she was referring to the gun that was found taped under the hood of her rented getaway car. I still think it was a subject she brought up, unprompted, to show that she wasn't in the least intimated by the subject matter. Who begins casually discussing guns during an interrogation interview involving a brutal murder? That was her point; that she was not intimidated.

The whole purpose of Det. Flores going there to interview her was to confront her with the crime, its gory, brutal, nature, and to show that he had plenty of evidence against her. He didn't need the interview to charge her and win conviction. The interview was solely to intimidate her into a confession, and an explanation, all this to make the legal process smoother, and perhaps to give the family a greater sense of closure. All of that rested on breaking down her resistance, getting her to acquiesce, admit her guilt, show remorse. By showing that she could casually discuss GUNS in the midst of all this, while not giving him anything mentioned above that he wanted, was her way of showing him that he was getting exactly nowhere.

She wouldn't even admit the nude photos were of her, "It looks like me", implying it was someone else, especially because every other time she'd been in Mesa she had blonde hair.