Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/26 -12/02/14 In recess

[katiecoolady]

It's funny because I remember this pic of you and Juan very well! And how you ran into him on your way back from a retreat you went to to relax (read your blog too) and there he was! Lol.

Thank you for reading! And of course I left that morning thinking I'd never see anyone I knew, had no makeup and the hair just outta the pool maybe combed/ maybe not look. In other words, glamour. :facepalm:

 

[wenwe4]

We have court today right?

 

[katiecoolady]

I just really wish the trial would get back to TA's murder and focus on the sentencing-- does she have remorse or not. Why should the jury spare her life?

What's happening is just kabuki theatre.

You're right. And it's all focused on one thing: make one juror think Travis Alexander deserved what he got. It's sickening. And beyond. And I believe will ultimately work against her. Either way, she's in prison for life and soon to be forgotten.

 

[Steve44]

Wonderful!!! I hope she gets plenty of letters in jail that paint a nice rosy {not} picture of the future for her. She can focus her razor mind on that!

Or just her razor...

 

[katiecoolady]

I'm trying to share some pics from twitter of court yesterday and my system isn't letting me save. Let me put a link here to them (hope this is ok). What I find interesting is a little pin this expert is wearing on her lapel in the jacket photo and it seems to have transferred to her scarf in the other pic. I guess this pin is an important one for her to be displaying front and center. Wonder what it is. Maybe I'll ask WAT to do some investigating.

https://twitter.com/PhxPhotogJames/status/537375854691512321/photo/1

Scratch that: on enlarging the *what appears to be the mystery pin* is just a design in her scarf. (my glasses are on my head not my face)

 

[Luvrosco]

You're right. And it's all focused on one thing: make one juror think Travis Alexander deserved what he got. It's sickening. And beyond. And I believe will ultimately work against her. Either way, she's in prison for life and soon to be forgotten.

I hope it's you're right and there's no chance that she'll get paroled at some time.

 

[NashBridges2]

Thank you for reading! And of course I left that morning thinking I'd never see anyone I knew, had no makeup and the hair just outta the pool maybe combed/ maybe not look. In other words, glamour. :facepalm:

Ppppfffftttt, you're beautiful, inside and out. Make up, no make up, it doesn't matter. Shine on girl!

 

[katiecoolady]

I hope it's you're right and there's no chance that she'll get paroled at some time.

In my opinion there is not a snowball's chance in an Arizona August (in Phoenix) that she will ever see life outside prison walls ever again.

 

[hindsight2020]

So Dr. MF is specialized in "sexually abusive" perpetrator treatment (according to her linked in account).

Here is an exerpt (caution the language and content in this link is extremely graphic!): (Scroll down approx 1/3 the way down the page to approx 1/2 way down page for Dr. MF's statements)

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"Clinical psychologist Dr. L. C. Miccio-Fonseca has tried for 20 years to do just that—understand how offenders are “put together.” At her Clinic for the Sexualities, another high-rise suite of offices, this time in Mission Valley, she presents herself as an independent practitioner who often gets called to evaluate sex offenders although she does do therapy with victims. Beside her desk is a stack of dolls, their lifelessness a reminder that sometimes only symbolic play or language can activate young children to express the physical relationships going on in their families."

. . . . .

"Miccio-Fonseca advocates “thorough sex education. What is and what is not appropriate sexual behavior in our society,” she believes needs continual discussion at the child and the adult levels. Next she wants the public to understand why offenders are usually victims. After that, we need to acknowledge that research proves perpetrators can be treated. “There can be a reduction in risk with an offender. Simply arresting the offender, putting him in prison and leaving him there for 2, 5, 10, 15, 20 years, with no treatment, and then releasing them—that individual will typically be worse coming out than he or she was coming in. Did we solve the problem? No, we made it worse. And we put the society at a higher risk.” Prison is the worst place to send this population, she says. “Typically they are beaten and raped; they’re lucky to get out of there alive. They congregate around other sex offenders. They hone their skills like other criminals in the system. It is really an institution of higher learning, of how to be more anti-social, how to be a better burglar, how to be a better rapist, how to be a better pedophile. It’s not producing positive results.”

http://www.thomaslarson.com/publications/san-diego-reader/125-not-only-the-man.html

BBM: Doc has to continually remind the court that she is not there in a capacity to assess or to speak about the sexual aspect of the relationship but only the dynamics of it, seems to me she has absolutely no experience in relationship dynamics, therefore, is not qualified. Which then begs the question, why did the DT hire a sex offender expert and not a relationship expert which is a better qualified professional to testify about relationship dynamics?? This witness is a total failure.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Just a wild guess, but given Nurmi's inflamed sensitivities to the 'prosecutor's behavior during this trial' suppose he requested JSS provide some oversight of 'this behavior', and Juan was like 'Yea, whatever, no objections'.

Good thought Steve. Less chance for appeal. And given that this case is so important to us, but just one of many victims that Juan fights for, he likely just wants it over with so he can get justice for Travis and get his life back. Gotta say, I really admire is work.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Ppppfffftttt, you're beautiful, inside and out. Make up, no make up, it doesn't matter. Shine on girl!

Ditto. Beauty shines through you KCL.

 

[Love Never Fails]

You're right. And it's all focused on one thing: make one juror think Travis Alexander deserved what he got. It's sickening. And beyond. And I believe will ultimately work against her. Either way, she's in prison for life and soon to be forgotten.

Not happening. He never deserved this. I have lived a long time. I have known some bad men, users. Travis was an angel in comparison. As far as I know, the men I knew are still alive. LOL

 

[Love Never Fails]

I wonder how much of Alyce Laviolette's testimony she watched. Ya know?

Enough to mimic her. Wow. So glad I am not her today!!!! Happy Thanksgiving to me.

 

[katiecoolady]

Enough to mimic her. Wow. So glad I am not her today!!!! Happy Thanksgiving to me.

LOL! That really tickled my funny bone.

 

[katiecoolady]

RBBM

My husband (now retired) was a psych nurse too and would absolutely agree. A lot of mental health professionals tend to choose the field, we hypothesize, as a means of self-medicating. It's also a bit terrifying how many professionals can put blinders up to certain conditions and diagnoses. And don't get me started on mandatory treatment over here for (incurable and highly resistant to treatment) personality disorders. As a result many of my husband's former PD patients learned simply how to strategically manipulate the medical community for their personal gain. It's the definition of madness.

I really really REALLY hope Dr. Demarte can explain this to jurors in the kind of succinct way you did right here. This is Jodi Arias and EVERY murderer on death row imo. Some kind of PD. This is NOT MITIGATING!!! (in my opinion it really is the personification of evil on earth when at it's full bloom like with Arias).

 

[Love Never Fails]

LOL! That really tickled my funny bone.

Glad I could tickle you.

You always inspire me.

Yesterday started off making me grumpy watching her disrespect Juan, but he kept his cool, brought her down several notches, and just continually made me smile all afternoon and I wasn't even watching in person. If tweets can do that, can you imagine how I would have felt in court? Of course, I am so emotional that when Juan said he was "finished with this witness", I would have stood up, clapped and cheered. Then I wouldn't be enjoying my Thanksgiving weekend. Instead I would be eating some of Sheriff Joe's county sponsored lunch. Ewwww......it pays for me to stay home and read tweets.

 

[wenwe4]

BBM: Doc has to continually remind the court that she is not there in a capacity to assess or to speak about the sexual aspect of the relationship but only the dynamics of it, seems to me she has absolutely no experience in relationship dynamics, hence is not qualified. Which then begs the question, why did the DT hire a sex offender expert and not a relationship expert which is a better qualified professional to testify about relationship dynamics?? This witness is a total failure.

It is very interesting to me because Sexual Offender Perpetrator Treatment is a very specialized tract of her profession. I did not find any supporting information about how she earned this achievement. I found her article to be very supportive of releasing "abusive" sexual perps because she didn't feel that warehousing them in prison was helpful to reducing their crimes and furthered that they become more abusive as a result of the incarceration "of higher education". If so, then Jodi's 6 years behind bars only serves to make her more of a murderer, no?

This "sex expert" who's card states "The Clinic for Sexualities" testifying on the dynamics of Travis and Jodi's relationship (but let's not get distracted about the sex), however the one thing she did testify that in her expertise she did not find that Travis was a pedophile.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I really really REALLY hope Dr. Demarte can explain this to jurors in the kind of succinct way you did right here. This is Jodi Arias and EVERY murderer on death row imo. Some kind of PD. This is NOT MITIGATING!!! (in my opinion it really is the personification of evil on earth when at it's full bloom like with Arias).

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I believe with all my heart some people cannot be treated. I do believe evil is born.

 

[hindsight2020]

We have court today right?

No, court reconvenes on Tuesday, Dec. 2.

 

[Bernina]

Bringing this over from the previous thread.....

Thank you Bernina!

One would hope that Jodi has been or will be excommunicated due to her felony conviction!

Could Travis have faced another sanction from the church that is less in severity (ie: losing his Priesthood holder status) until he repents and makes it right with his Bishop and his faith?

This does bring up another question in regard to this trial. Could Jodi have audiotaped the sex call to use it as blackmail on Travis and threaten to turn it over to his Bishop? This would be one of the most evil things that Jodi could do to Travis, especially since he had already lost his temple recommend due to his interaction with Deanna? I think Travis held his faith very close to his heart and Jodi knew this. Travis had trusted Jodi to keep their sex life secret and he might feel extremely threatened if she were to "out" him.

If the Bishop in the ward that covers the Area of the Estrella Jail, or CMJA's previous Bishop in Mesa are on their toes, they or their counselors should have paid CMJA a visit soon after her conviction and told her excommunication procedures had started, were in process, or had been completed. Usually, a person's excommunication is announced in Priesthood meetings (all male Priesthood holders of the ward an individual is going to).

There are 2 types of Priesthood (Aaronic and Melchizedek), both are broken into offices or quorums of 5 and 4, respectively. The Priesthood is conferred upon a male member at the age of 12, based on their personal moral worthiness and church participation. It is a covenant with God.

Instead of going into all the "in's and out's", TA was not highly "visible", politically active, connected, or prominent enough to draw the attention of the Bishop in his ward. CMJA probably thought she could "blackmail" TA, but at the end of the day, everything she may have had on him was nothing "scandalous", nor would it have put the Church as a whole in a bad light. None of it would have become public knowledge.

CMJA was probably convinced that TA was a big fish in a little pond. NOT so. TA wasn't even a "blip" on the LDS radar, he was just a 30 year old LDS member, no more, no less.

I know "scandal" when it comes to Mormonism, my family and extended family have had very public, not so public, and/or total lack of LDS sanctions for "transgressions". It's all about "Damage Control" and "Church First".