Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/26 -12/02/14 In recess

[Mrs G Norris]

Oh wow .. oh double wow .. you really have to wonder at the mindset of some folks, I mean it's one thing to be passionate about your opinion, but to take it to that kind of extreme is really scary, I guess she tried to visit too?? Just scary and a bit sad.

 

[ICit]

It does have this feature, and it looks like it's pretty easy to find it in the camera's menu.
https://docs.sony.com/release/DSCH7_Handbook.pdf

JA testified about looking at the photos with TA and deleting certain photos that he didn't like. I don't remember this testimony very clearly.

JA said they viewed photos and deleted some as they went along. In light of the fact that it took a very short time from the first photo to the murder photos I say she was lying because there would not have been enough time to individually delete, especially since it was a five step process for each photo.

 

[Meemaw12]

Oh wow .. oh double wow .. you really have to wonder at the mindset of some folks, I mean it's one thing to be passionate about your opinion, but to take it to that kind of extreme is really scary, I guess she tried to visit too?? Just scary and a bit sad.

The forum was not moderated, I think she was the most crazy on it.

I have no doubt she visited him being from the area.

 

[LinasK]

What is really really curious to me is why the attention loving narcissistic sociopath Jodi Arias would not want more attention on her at this stage. Anyone have a guess?

More manipulation- if you want it, then you can't have it! Plus she can't face her parents directly while throwing them under the bus. Just my guesses...

 

[ICit]

More manipulation- if you want it, then you can't have it! Plus she can't face her parents directly while throwing them under the bus. Just my guesses...

I am wondering if that was the real reason her mother left the courtroom. A bit of time passed before she came out of the courtroom. Maybe she did not want to listen to her daughter throw either one of them under the bus!

 

[LinTX]

I am wondering if that was the real reason her mother left the courtroom. A bit of time passed before she came out of the courtroom. Maybe she did not want to listen to her daughter throw either one of them under the bus!

Her family has seats 'reserved' behind the defense table, but otherwise they have the same rights to be in the courtroom as the public. When the public was kicked out, so was she. Victim's family are the only ones with special access.

 

[LinasK]

Why is the trial taking so long? I mean not just the Nurmi snark, but professionally.

Veteran's Day and Thanksgiving are court-ordered Federal holidays= can't blame Nurmi for those!

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Steve .. I think you are spot-on with your observations/opinion. You have inspired me to go back and look at some of the interview segments between Flores and "her". I agree with you (as you have expressed) but I'm just wondering if you are a "professional" .. maybe a psychologist or someone in the "mental health" realm?? You nailed it and have expressed in such a way that I THINK YOU KNOW what you are talking about. Not trying to pry, but what you said makes a lot of sense and I am impressed.

If you want to read the transcribed transcripts they are here on Websleuths. I listen and read along . Also the song that Jodi was singing " I am what I am" and not be until rest until the man sleeping on the bed is here with her. I think that was a very important song for Jodi on her trip.




[video=youtube;0dKZQs1xekY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0dKZQs1xekY[/video]

 

[Tuba]

The pedophilia smear was a time consuming flop but Arias refuses to relinquish this. Does she think she will be seen as a champion for the protection of children, if she can just make her allegation stick? That it will be known she "did the world a favor"? That anyone will believe that was her motive in the murder? She seems unaware of the legal truism that a defendant's analysis of why he or she did the act, in a crime of intent, may be seen as self-serving. Judge & jury might more likely conclude that, if they have perceived egocentric behavior in her personal history or in court. Another facet of these pedophilia explorations is the shock value, the sensational power when presented. We long ago figured she elected this as her favored stratagem for this exact dramatic effect, not because she believed the slander she was applying to her victim.

Even though her slander of Travis fails to mitigate or defend her actions, B is scheduled to return to reinforce it. If he does, our prosecutor will make short work of him. What next, Arias? Are we moving over to the plaint that you & your witnesses are in fear of death threats? The higher court finds no purpose in hiding testimony since both content & identity come to light after the fact and does find for David Bodney that you are violating the 1st & 6th Amendments in secreting yourself. The peril involved in facing the death penalty is not more dangerous, not more threatening because we know who you are and what you have to say. One of the important principles of due process is its public nature. That protects you, Miss Arias as it also serves and informs the People of the State of Arizona who have charged you with this crime of aggravated, premeditated murder.

 

[Steve44]

I've watched the interrogation tapes several times. IMO her number one objective throughout was to try to stay a step ahead of Flores.

She repeatedly asked to see those photos. Kept changing her reason for asking, but she wasn't playing it cool with Flores to get them. She felt an urgent need to see them so she could tailor another story around what she thought he knew.

She has several observable patterns of behavior in the interrogations and on the stand. Bringing up the gun is imo an example of deflect and divert.

She does toy with Flores, but often in more sickening ways, such as saying she thought she'd have been more humane if she killed him, etc. And the biggy of them all- not giving him what he wanted, an explanation.

I agree there was never the possibility of her giving Flores what he wanted: a confession and explanation. She was fully in control the entire time, because she was completely un-intimidated. Everything that he said to her, she just used to try to get something of what she wanted. When he brought up the pictures, most people would think "uh oh, the jig is up." She thought, "ok, let me see them." When he brought up all the suspicion in the community directed towards her, she simply made assertions to the contrary, as if her opinion could outweigh that of any number of others. Bringing up the gun was a distraction, in that anything that she said or volunteered would have been a distraction, since she had no intention of giving him anything of what he wanted. Still, I think the gun reference was unique because it's the first time she brought something new into the conversation. She was there to be interviewed, to answer questions, and Flores introduced every subject and steered the conversation throughout except the gun reference, so, there has to be a deeper message there than mere distraction. Bringing up guns, devices designed for the purpose of killing, is no mere distraction. It's an intentional step deeper into the territory through which he was leading her, and in which he hoped she would find relief via confession and explanation. Her bringing up guns was an attempt by her to show him that she was anything but intimidated and on the verge of confession, she was self-possessed and comfortable, and anything but in his control.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I found something interesting when I went o see if I could find the name of the lady that was David Westerfield's groupie


Appellate panel also orders numerous transcripts released

By Kristen Green
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

September 14, 2002

An appellate court ordered the judge in the David Westerfield trial yesterday to stop conducting secret hearings and release transcripts of more than 20 hearings held behind closed doors unless he can justify his actions.

The ruling, handed down by the San Diego-based 4th District Court of Appeal, was in response to a challenge by The San Diego Union-Tribune and other news organizations to Superior Court Judge William Mudd's secret handling of many aspects of the case.

Mudd has conducted numerous closed hearings and sealed the transcripts of those hearings since he was assigned the case March 28.

In making its order, the appellate court cited a 1999 decision in the divorce of actor Clint Eastwood that concluded that a judge must notify the public of his or her intentions to close a hearing, hold a court session on the subject and state reasons why secrecy is more important than the public's right to know.

"I think it's a real victory," said Guylyn Cummins, who represented the media in repeatedly contesting Mudd's decisions. "It's an important order because it says courts must comply with First Amendment tests." I guess JJS didn't get the memo.

 

[Steve44]

What are these jurist thinking?

Are they thinking about what Mr M presented in the beginning of this phase?

Are they getting lost in the defense case?

Are they thinking what a monster JA is?

Are they thinking TA deserved what he got?

I only read that they are writing or not writing, looking bored. A few questions.

I so wish we had someone reporting on the jury like in first trial. Are they bonding? Are there loners? What are their expressions to some of this BS the defense is putting in. We read bits and pieces but not enough for me to get a feeling of how this is going.

The jury questions should shed some light on this.

 

[Val1]

Yes or No has a post on the Sidebar with a tweet from the nutty George Barwood claiming BN has the goods on the prosecution for deletingporn and that defense is going to refute the gas can claims. Don't know what it means. We do kow Barwoodis crazy. On page 19 of Sidebar. FYI.

Holy cow, wasn't this supposed to be only for sentencing ... it's being turned into a complete retrial, where's the judge?! oh wait.... :/

 

[Love Never Fails]

Curious, can you give the post number instead of page number? Some of us have different page settings (mine is 100 posts per page).

Will look it up and get back to you shortly.

ETA: Here ya go Wenwe...post 921.

 

[Steve44]

Yes, I don't dispute that they said it.

Only whether it was proven.

Also not proven = The date/timestamps on the photos.

Anyone could have changed the date/time on the camera. And changed it back again, etc.

Also not proven = Which human composed, sent, viewed, and/or deleted any of the thousands of emails, instant messages, etc.

IP addresses are assigned by ISP's and tie to the subscriber's/user's modem/gateway. This is not the same as positively identifying any individual user.

We may not like it, but unless there is a detailed eyewitness or a confession, it's nigh unto impossible to prove that a given user e-transacted anything.

"But they logged on!"

Well yes, someone logged on -- with someone's userid and password.

But proving precisely whom?

Attorneys don't make this case nearly strongly enough, IMO.

It's amazing what courts will accept as fact. If attorneys and judges only knew what they don't know.

If there was any way to legitimately claim the pictures were not taken on that day don't you think Nurmi would have played it for all it was worth? Anyway, it was water under the bridge at that point, because all of the evidence that Flores had that she was there, including the pictures, was convincing enough to Arias to confess that she was in fact there, but fighting the Ninjas on Travis' behalf instead of killing him, of course.

 

[Steve44]

she had a fair trial as far as I could see, there are issues that have now surfaced over the computers which do need investigating, but whether Travis had porn or not on his computer wouldn't have effected the conviction in my opinion,

I am not a big fan of any of the protagonists, don't think Juan is as great as many seem to do, think defence should have done what they are now doing which is argue emotional abuse (although I don't think Jodie was emotionally abused or a victim) Nurmi seems to have picked up his game, and I would be fine with LWOP as am anti DP

wonder why some cases grab people when others equally or even more heinous don't

The guilt phase trial was televised gavel to gavel and covered extensively in the media. In addition, Arias orchestrated an extensive media campaign of her own, a dramatic performance of outrageous lies, a psychopathic tour de force. These two combined to create a massive public interest.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I agree that they likely had sex far less often than she's said, and that it took a long time for her to convince him to have vaginal sex. I think she would have loved to get pregnant to force him into marriage but she couldn't persuade him to have vaginal sex very often at all.

Thank goodness a baby never happened.

IIRC Jodi talks about one time that Travis had scattered rose petals and candles on the floor to his bathroom and candles around the tub and that he made her fell like a goddess. I think that might of been the frist time vaginal sex.


She told Flores that the last time she and Travis had sex was in April, and I don't think it was that time, he was tired of her and wanted her gone.

 

[Val1]

It could be a possibility. One of my best friends in college in San Diego confessed to me that her "parents" were really her grandparents, and that her "sister" was her real biological mother. It happens.

Or, it has something to do with how the lil sister was whisked out of the country shortly after the murder.

I have had my suspicions that she may have taken some evidence with her(JA saw her family after the murder before her arrest and before the lil sister left the country), quite possibly unknowingly(the missing phone had come to mind at the time but it could have been pretty much anything).

Regarding whether JA could be her BM, speaking as both an adoptee and a BM myself, then surely you would have told the lil sister before disclosing it to a court, though I honestly see no reason why that knowledge would have any bearing on this case, not even for mitigation. It's not like they spare murderers every day just because they have family, or do they?

The only reasons I can even imagine JA might try this would be to try and infer that TA was trying to access the lil sister(re 12 yr old schoolgirl comments) or to reveal any "new" evidence that may have returned with the lil sister(they did let that obviously tampered with "missing" phone in, why not anything else).

 

[Truth Detector]

There is more than likely an option to "Delete All". I had the camera but lower end - the Sony Cyber-shot, and was able to do that.

The manual states that it can be done from index mode.

The option is to select [All In This Folder] and then [Delete].

 

[janx]

Has the self-defense claim gone by the wayside?