Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/05-08 In recess

[dog.gone.cute]

I created a table in MS Word and then took a screen shot of it using the snip tool in Windows 7. I kept it very simple for more impact. I also left in the weekends and Fridays when court is dark so that it is clear how many days pass from one day of testimony to the next.

:seeya: Thanks very much, gcharlie !

I'm going to try it out !

:cheers:

 

[Bernina]

Thank you so much!

Goodness at the mouse print, must be getting harder and harder to smuggle things out of Estrella. Are they weighing people coming and going now?

I like Jason, Lisa, Elizabeth Ann and Jodi Freedom (I'm so sure that is a real name), more than I could have ever imagined.

The attitude, the self-importance, the entitlement. Blows my mind!

I knew Jodi had a chauffer, a staff and a "team", but I had no idea she had an "Art Administrator". Unbelievable!

Part-time little waitress wanna-be from Yreka CA never had it so good. MOO

BBM: There are limitations on how many sheets of paper you can mail at one time, and how much writing paper you can have in your cell. That's why the writing is sooooooo small and there's print in the margins.

 

[grammieto5]

While she's walking through the gates of hell, TA will be flying through the heavens, probably weeping for the soul that could not, would not, be saved.

The murderer's soul will be like that scene in Ghost, in the subway, where all the black evil souls are flying around lost.

 

[ShadyLady]

BBM: There are limitations on how many sheets of paper you can mail at one time, and how much writing paper you can have in your cell. That's why the writing is sooooooo small and there's print in the margins.

And the little thief stole paper from day one, i.e in the interview room with Flores. Then of course Maria passes folders to Mama Arias right in front of court cameras....no shame.

 

[Hatfield]

I had actually just the other day(see link) posted what I believe is pretty hard evidence that JA used TA's pc and printer, possibly even from TA's email account, to send herself mail and yes it was one to TA, so the only reason to send it to herself is to use it as "proof"... because otherwise, especially if she had sent it from her own email account, then it should have been easily accessible under her sent items.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?264195-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-12-05-08-In-recess&p=11280184#post11280184

Excellent Catch!!!

You are absolutely correct. Here is what this is showing me....

First off....Gmail accounts are very easily accessable from any remote location and if Jodi has is ID+PW , she could log into his GMAIL account and become Travis. GMAIL is the email application that allows sending and receiving of emails for anyone that has signed up and has an account. I think it is free like Yahoo and many others have free email services so long as you sign up for account.

Secondly, ....Just like you said, this particular letter is a letter she sent to her own GMAIL account BUT it has Travis "FOOTER" which is a personalized "footer" he most likely setup himself when drafting any documents from whatever application it was she was using. GMAIL itself could have this footer capability within email drafting itself OR it could be a word processing application like MSWORD. But in any event, it proves she was definitely logged into his GMAIL account OR at a minimum had access to his applications.

So anything she would send using this method , she could pretend she was Travis.

Since she sent this particular one to herself, she most likely wanted it on her machine so that she could turn around and send it to Travis from her machine so that her "sender" info and her sender address would show properly when he received it. OR like you mentioned he already received it and she was forwarding it back to herself.

This also proves that she probably used this method multiple times and there is no telling how many friends and family + bishops of Travis received things that looked like it came from Travis but was actually written from her.

The devil herself.

 

[Kamille]

BBM: There are limitations on how many sheets of paper you can mail at one time, and how much writing paper you can have in your cell. That's why the writing is sooooooo small and there's print in the margins.

I am at a loss as to how this kind of thing is allowed within the jail/prison system. Why not just let them use the internet if they're just going to let them get letters like this out to their "staff"?

Can JM bring in letters like this in rebuttal to show how "remorseful" she is in there?

ETA: Doesn't sound like she's suffering in silence over people "duping" her either.

:notgood:

MOO

 

[wenwe4]

BBM: There are limitations on how many sheets of paper you can mail at one time, and how much writing paper you can have in your cell. That's why the writing is sooooooo small and there's print in the margins.

OT: I learned why there are limitations on sheets of paper in prison from 2 adolescent girls. I once knew of a convicted murderer who was very good with origami got his cell "tossed" by guards and they ordered no more as folded paper was considered a weapon in prison. The murderer then gave his favorite origami book and a couple of paper animals to his cellmate to gift to his children (not sure why these weren't confiscated). The cellmate promptly sent (via their Mother) those "treasures" to his own children for a Christmas present. I visited the children's home shortly after Christmas and the kids were proudly sharing their most novel present with me. I was shocked and sickened that they knew the entire story of the origami present but also the details of the Murderer's horrific and heinous crimes. I asked if the kids could go play in their rooms and then the Mother of the kids (and wife to the murderer's cellmate) and I had a long discussion about "appropriate gifts", her duty and her children's needs for boundaries/protection/health/safety.

 

[blefuscu]

If CMJA begins to use the "I was a child sex abuse victim" line can JM ask her how come this has never come up in 8 years since the murder, and never came up in the previous trial or used as mitigation in the last penalty phase? She has changed her defence from the last time, she was a supposed DV victim last time, that didn't work so now it's the "Travis was a paedophile" defence.

 

[Kamille]

If CMJA begins to use the "I was a child sex abuse victim" line can JM ask her how come this has never come up in 8 years since the murder, and never came up in the previous trial or used as mitigation in the last penalty phase? She has changed her defence from the last time, she was a supposed DV victim last time, that didn't work so now it's the "Travis was a paedophile" defence.

I believe he can ask, and he will. But if that's what she's doing, she's got that covered. She couldn't bring herself to talk about this in open court, it's just too traumatic and she's trying to deal with that now, hence the secrecy.

She will say anything about anything. Lie about anything. She has nothing to lose at this point and everything to gain. Not that it would have stopped her before the murder either IMO.

MOO

 

[blefuscu]

I believe he can ask, and he will. But if that's what she's doing, she's got that covered. She couldn't bring herself to talk about this in open court, it's just too traumatic and she's trying to deal with that now, hence the secrecy.

She will say anything about anything. Lie about anything. She has nothing to lose at this point and everything to gain. Not that it would have stopped her before the murder either IMO.

MOO

Oh I'm sure she will play the traumatised victim. And sob at how difficult disclosing this has been. But we all know it's bull, if you are fighting against the death penalty then you would definitely bring this up as mitigation, no matter how hard it was, IF it actually had happened

 

[geevee]

If the letters were originally sent by email, then Jodi already admitted to the investigator that she had Travis passwords. That right there should prove that she could have sent the letters herself so they should be inadmissable due to no proof of who authored the letters.

But it wont surprise me if somehow they get accepted this time around. Too much is being allowed already. Grrrrrr

I think it's pretty certain Nurmi will fight tooth and nail to get them admitted this time, causing ungodly amount of wasted time if JM puts up a fight over it, but if their content really is what was posted above (by Dmacky?) then he may not fight all that hard, I'm sure he can cast much doubt on their authenticity if they come before the jury.

 

[Val1]

If CMJA begins to use the "I was a child sex abuse victim" line can JM ask her how come this has never come up in 8 years since the murder, and never came up in the previous trial or used as mitigation in the last penalty phase? She has changed her defence from the last time, she was a supposed DV victim last time, that didn't work so now it's the "Travis was a paedophile" defence.

Or is it that, according to the last witness Dr.F, by calling her father by his first name JA exhibits signs of an incestuous relationship, not that it happened in this case but there is abuse.... so which is it, her father's fault, or TA's, or maybe it's just JA? How do we know that it wasn't/isn't JA herself that has/had pedo tendencies and that it's not her that instigated any incestuous relationship and/or perpetrated abuse against a child? I would also like to know exactly what we're talking about here by using these terms... is it full on sexual touching(anal, oral, or vaginal) or are we talking kissing your baby nephew on his cookie goobered lips, your uncle slapping you on the butt to get you to move it before you miss the bus, holding hands with a favourite cousin... just what does JA or her hired help consider "noteworthy"?

 

[krkrjx]

The more I think about it, the more it hits me what might be going on with JSS. Its possible her concern is having the guilt verdict overturned because of the pedo- tangle.

JM and Flores are clean, but that isn't the point of the computer accusations. Both CMJA 's turns at pro were about getting pedo evidence in.

She failed at getting the letters admitted, but is closer to getting the faux sites admitted, in the hope they buttress her claims about catching TA with child , which will no doubt morph into printouts from the computer , which leads back to the confessional letters. Which weren't admitted. Would they have made a difference? IMO there's room to think so.

How is there room to think copies of letters would have made a difference? In what--the guilty verdict?

Seems to me whether he was looking at or not has no bearing on how he died and who is responsible for his death. It was a premeditated crime, not self defense. And not out of repulsion for a guy who watched . I agree it is what they are trying to accomplish but I do not see any CoA saying it would have made a difference in the verdict. Had the defense expert found and it not been allowed at trial...maybe. And had anyone found evidence of prosecutor or LE misconduct...definitely. But sites on a computer of a man who was murdered three times over by a jealous stalker who, if she was so repulsed by his tendencies could have just stayed away from him...not likely IMO.

 

[5bigfish5]

If CMJA begins to use the "I was a child sex abuse victim" line can JM ask her how come this has never come up in 8 years since the murder, and never came up in the previous trial or used as mitigation in the last penalty phase? She has changed her defence from the last time, she was a supposed DV victim last time, that didn't work so now it's the "Travis was a paedophile" defence.

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

Pardon me: ^^Emphasis Mine!^^

IF NOT....

I double-dog dare anyone to give me an explanation I will swallow.

sherry excluded, I will only hear that most secret reason in 2050.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I had actually just the other day(see link) posted what I believe is pretty hard evidence that JA used TA's pc and printer, possibly even from TA's email account, to send herself mail and yes it was one to TA, so the only reason to send it to herself is to use it as "proof"... because otherwise, especially if she had sent it from her own email account, then it should have been easily accessible under her sent items.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?264195-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-12-05-08-In-recess&p=11280184#post11280184

Veering off from your excellent point, Val, isn't it ironic that she should quote in that email "I know the tone of an email or text message can sometime be ambiguous since the receiver is only interpreting what the tone of the sender would be if it were spoken ...", and then have ALV and Dr. F. interpret and 'diagnose', under oath.

 

[Bernina]

If CMJA begins to use the "I was a child sex abuse victim" line can JM ask her how come this has never come up in 8 years since the murder, and never came up in the previous trial or used as mitigation in the last penalty phase? She has changed her defence from the last time, she was a supposed DV victim last time, that didn't work so now it's the "Travis was a paedophile" defence.

If CMJA says she's a victim of child sex abuse, she wouldn't have been picking up pamphlets from the mall to help Travis with his "alleged issues".


She can't draw a straight line from point A to point B with any of her lies because they just don't make sense, by any sort of means, psychologically, mentally, socially, for someone who was abused as a child, abused as an adult, whatever.

She's a "predator". She takes what she wants, when she wants, and if she's not appeased, she lashes out. And she loves to torture her "prey" and it's social circle through slander, harassment, stalking, theft, lies, deception.............

She's always been a sick puppy and always will be. Some people are just born evil.

 

[krkrjx]

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

Pardon me: ^^Emphasis Mine!^^

IF NOT....

I double-dog dare anyone to give me an explanation I will swallow.

sherry excluded, I will only hear that most secret reason in 2050.

How about...she has been in a FOG all these years about her childhood sexual abuse?

Dr. F could come back and say those memories are likely to induce psychological vomit in the form of premeditated murder where the victim is almost decapitated, then shot in the face after he's already been killed several times over.

Not swallowing that explanation? Heh...me neither.

The people who support this killer are beyond revolting. In fact I do not think they are even human. Everyone knows this evil thing slaughtered an unarmed man after she put him in a physically vulnerable position for that purpose, yet they want to not only make excuses for her--they want to see her go FREE. Good God! If this isn't proof positive that the devil lives among us I don't know what is!

 

[rose222]

How is there room to think copies of letters would have made a difference? In what--the guilty verdict?

Seems to me whether he was looking at or not has no bearing on how he died and who is responsible for his death. It was a premeditated crime, not self defense. And not out of repulsion for a guy who watched . I agree it is what they are trying to accomplish but I do not see any CoA saying it would have made a difference in the verdict. Had the defense expert found and it not been allowed at trial...maybe. And had anyone found evidence of prosecutor or LE misconduct...definitely. But sites on a computer of a man who was murdered three times over by a jealous stalker who, if she was so repulsed by his tendencies could have just stayed away from him...not likely IMO.

Even if, hypothetically speaking, Arias had stabbed, shot and cut the throat of a real pedophile it would still be premeditated murder. She would have been able to use the pedophilia evidence in the penalty phase but stabbing someone 27 times, almost decapitating him and then shooting him = premeditated murder. First-degree doesn't magically change to second-degree or less simply because the deceased happened to be a pedophile. It is first-degree murder, period.

In this case, she murdered a decent man and there is ZERO evidence of pedophilia so there is no issue at all. As for wanting to tell the jury that Travis watched ...I could laugh at the irrelevancy of that titbit. They can holler all day about but they will end up looking like fools.

 

[Bernina]

Veering off from your excellent point, Val, isn't it ironic that she should quote in that email "I know the tone of an email or text message can sometime be ambiguous since the receiver is only interpreting what the tone of the sender would be if it were spoken ...", and then have ALV and Dr. F. interpret and 'diagnose', under oath.

I'm right there with you, Nosey!!!!:gaah: If you've ever been a Mod for a group or forum, or been misunderstood on a group online, "interpretation" is "key". Like 10 people who witness an accident, they all interpret the scene in their own way.
CMJA had a tendency to "poke the bear" when Travis was upset with her. She just egged him on......."...who me?" Deflection.

I don't know how he managed to stick it out as long as he did.

 

[krkrjx]

I think it's pretty certain Nurmi will fight tooth and nail to get them admitted this time, causing ungodly amount of wasted time if JM puts up a fight over it, but if their content really is what was posted above (by Dmacky?) then he may not fight all that hard, I'm sure he can cast much doubt on their authenticity if they come before the jury.

I would like to see JM not fight it at all. Object yes, since they are forgeries, but then just let them come in, then refute their authenticity. It speaks volumes when one remains essentially mute on something that they do not wish to dignify. IMO.