Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias #2

[LinTX]

Mr. Fields was one of many that repeated those words but they originated with Abe Lincoln.

http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ug...ho-represents-himself-has-a-fool-for-a-client

Lincoln is probably the most quoted, but it's actually from English publications from late 1700's to the early 1800's:

This proverb is based on the opinion, probably first expressed by a lawyer, that self-representation in court is likely to end badly. As with many proverbs, it is difficult to determine a precise origin but this expression first began appearing in print in the early 19th century. An early example comes in The flowers of wit, or a choice collection of bon mots, by Henry Kett, 1814:
...observed the eminent lawyer, "I hestitate not to pronounce, that every man who is his own lawyer, has a fool for a client.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/

This book, as the title suggests, is a collection of quotations on various subjects - this particular quote was attributed to an unnamed lawyer who was discussing a book popular in England from 1775.

 

[Bernina]

Maybe they can use it to argue that Jodi was temporarily insane and flew into a murderous rage? If she was in control of her actions, and "just" wanted to kill Travis, she could have gone about it in a no muss/no fuss way. Instead, the crime scene shows that she went completely berserk. Ergo: temporary insanity. Ergo: lwop, not death.

This a weak argument, but they might try anything at this point.

I always looked at it as CMJA's twisted rendition of "Danse Macabre"......

 

[MeeBee]

Her Einstein balloon was popped during trial, as you probably remember. Dr. Jill Hayes' testimony was posted here, the video, and it was hazy to me a year later, so I listened to all of it. With raw data in hand that Dr. DeMarte shared with her, she testified that the killer had an I.Q. of 112, strictly average. This had been part of DeMarte's analysis too, on the stand. But DeMarte found that Arias had a way with words, from her testing. We already were aware of that, of course, and it does figure into her production of ​lies.

What I found interesting was that she tested average on everything but very high on verbal. Yet she has a low reading level. This signals an abnormal disconnect often seen in sociopaths.

 

[T-4-2]

I was really floored when he said she needs to be saved from herself.

Must have been the one day out of ten. Or, on the other hand, maybe not. Initially that looked to me like Nurmi, in a rare moment of compassion, was actually concerned for her wellbeing. However, that's a pretty backhanded way of trying to help -- if that's what his intention was.

Some of these are more me than Nurmi, but I expect he'd agree with me:

• He's belittling Jodi in a ginormous way
• Even though she has an abysmal track record with basically everything she's done or tried to do, she might truly believe that she could defend herself. That belief in and of itself demonstrates her lack of intelligence.
• His wording (passive voice, not active) makes it clear that she can't even participate in her defense, let alone run it. The grown-ups have to step in and do it all for her, not with her.
• Her massive, overriding ego is impermeable, under no threat whatsoever from little things like reality, facts, her fallibility, or the real-life consequences of her Planet Jodi fantasies.
• She doesn't know what she doesn't know -- and even if she did know, she can be counted on to muck it all up.
• She thinks there's no such thing as bad publicity. And she loves publicity.
• She thinks her clever little plots, schemes, and scams actually work (beyond the very short term, in very view occasions), and that her hidden agendas are actually hidden.
• He may be concerned about Jodi, but only in the way that he'd be concerned about a prostate exam. Get in, get out, get DONE. The sooner the better. We don't want this pain in the to drag on any longer than necessary. It's already been far too long.
• She wants to dictate every rule, dominate every person, and determine the course of every situation, in every aspect of her life. This applies post-arrest as much as it applied to everything pre-arrest.
• Jodi's ends justify Jodi's means, and her means are loud and clear indications that she is delusional. Her ends are pretty pie-in-the-sky as well.
• She's as subtle and discrete as Chernobyl. And as toxic.

 

[T-4-2]

One thing is for sure, whatever Jodi wanted to "chat" with to JSS... well, JSS has no desire to hear her whining and moaning and groaning about "poor" JA. She's heard way too much.

Engaging with Jodi in any context is risky. She's always looking for ammo to use against people.

 

[T-4-2]

I don't see the crime scene as showing she went berserk and temporarily insane. I see a crime scene that shows he didn't go down and die immediately and tried to get away, with her right behind him every step of the way stabbing him. Don't forget the premeditation evidence… Nothing about this says to me it's an instant, in the moment crime.

Exactly. This is what makes it a weak argument.

 

[ShadyLady]

OMG....will this Black Widow Show ever get on the road???

...Marking my spot.

 

[LinasK]

Engaging with Jodi in any context is risky. She's always looking for ammo to use against people.

Plus, if I were the judge I'd be fearful Jodi would try to physically attack me alone in chambers!

 

[smeck]

I am really torn about having cameras in the courtroom....please forgive me if this has been said before....Jodi already thinks she is a movie star and celebrity so by having the cameras just plays to her delusions. I would love the see the sentencing trial, don't get me wrong but I hate to have her enjoy the attention of the cameras. Go Juan....we have faith in your abilities to get the jury to see that she needs to die for her crime.

 

[T-4-2]

What I found interesting was that she tested average on everything but very high on verbal. Yet she has a low reading level. This signals an abnormal disconnect often seen in sociopaths.

Interesting. I hadn't heard that. Maybe it boils down to priorities? Perhaps the disparity between her high-scoring expressive abilities and her low-scoring receptive/comprehensive abilities is just another indication of her self-centeredness. That is, her primary interest is in what she says, and she tailors her speech (both tone and content) to get the desired reaction from the desired people. That's really what we all do to some extent, but Jodi has a special knack for turning normal into abnormal.

So maybe while she's busy spinning her own little webs, she just doesn't pay too much attention to what other people say (or write). Unless it's about her -- in which case her little ears prick right up.

I wonder if her efforts to portray herself as an insightful and prolific reader are intended to make a weakness seem like a strength.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I was just on the State of Az vs. JA FB page and someone posted that the Maricopa court website said there was a conference meeting today, the 18th on the Arias case. Does anyone know what that was about?

 

[T-4-2]

I could buy it if it weren't for all the premeditation. Stealing the gun, renting an inconspicuous rental car, driving 1,000 miles to kill the man who supposedly abused you, dyeing your hair, the gas cans, etc., etc, etc...

If the defense is desperate enough to resort to claims of "temporary insanity," it wouldn't change the conviction (which is set in stone now, isn't it?), but maybe it could score some points with the jury and maybe convince at least one of them to vote for LWOP instead of death? Or result in another hung jury, thereby punting this back to the judge, which would result in taking death off the table?

I get the impression that Jodi absolutely does not want to use any kind of insanity defense, in any way, shape, or form. To maintain her martyr status, she has to stick to her bogus "survivor of domestic violence" charade. A survivor who committed first degree, premeditated murder, but not one who deserves the death penalty.

 

[T-4-2]

Plus, if I were the judge I'd be fearful Jodi would try to physically attack me alone in chambers!

Surely Jodi would be wheeled in on a hand truck like Hannible Lecter?

 

[AZlawyer]

One thing is for sure, whatever Jodi wanted to "chat" with to JSS... well, JSS has no desire to hear her whining and moaning and groaning about "poor" JA. She's heard way too much.

IMHO, during the trial, there were way too many ex-parte hearings. They are usually rare in a trial. No doubt, 99% of them were defense/JA's complaints about JM!

The judge wouldn't have had an ex parte hearing about JM. Ex parte hearings have to be about something the other side has no right to hear (with one exception not relevant here), so IMO they were about JA's relationship (or lack thereof) with her counsel, ethical issues regarding defense counsel, etc.

 

[Niner]

Her Einstein balloon was popped during trial, as you probably remember. Dr. Jill Hayes' testimony was posted here, the video, and it was hazy to me a year later, so I listened to all of it. With raw data in hand that Dr. DeMarte shared with her, she testified that the killer had an I.Q. of 112, strictly average. This had been part of DeMarte's analysis too, on the stand. But DeMarte found that Arias had a way with words, from her testing. We already were aware of that, of course, and it does figure into her production of ​lies.

Interesting. I hadn't heard that. Maybe it boils down to priorities? Perhaps the disparity between her high-scoring expressive abilities and her low-scoring receptive/comprehensive abilities is just another indication of her self-centeredness. That is, her primary interest is in what she says, and she tailors her speech (both tone and content) to get the desired reaction from the desired people. That's really what we all do to some extent, but Jodi has a special knack for turning normal into abnormal.

So maybe while she's busy spinning her own little webs, she just doesn't pay too much attention to what other people say (or write). Unless it's about her -- in which case her little ears prick right up.

I wonder if her efforts to portray herself as an insightful and prolific reader are intended to make a weakness seem like a strength.

Wasn't there a court hearing on Sept. 16th? What happened there - just going over jury instructions?? And JSS has two more days, until the end of the week to come to her decision on cameras in the courtroom... :judge:

TIA :wave:

 

[geevee]

Thanks, geevee.

What's the Motion to Quash Trial Subpoena and Motion to Compel (oral argument set for Sept. 22)?

I don't know who was subpoenaed, the last one I see on the docket was served on 4/21/14:

4/28/2014 SUA - Subpoena And Affidavit Of Service - Party (001) 4/29/2014
NOTE: SERVED 04/21/2014

So much has been sealed and press not allowed during hearings I don't know if anyone other than those allowed in (and whomever was served) knows, no clue what the motion to 'compel access to evidence' is about either - guess we'll all (hopefully) find out on the 22nd.

 

[geevee]

I was just on the State of Az vs. JA FB page and someone posted that the Maricopa court website said there was a conference meeting today, the 18th on the Arias case. Does anyone know what that was about?

I believe the 18th is in reference to the date the minute entry from the Sept. 15th hearing was posted on the docket, not when a hearing was held.

 

[Bernina]

If the defense is desperate enough to resort to claims of "temporary insanity," it wouldn't change the conviction (which is set in stone now, isn't it?), but maybe it could score some points with the jury and maybe convince at least one of them to vote for LWOP instead of death? Or result in another hung jury, thereby punting this back to the judge, which would result in taking death off the table?

I get the impression that Jodi absolutely does not want to use any kind of insanity defense, in any way, shape, or form. To maintain her martyr status, she has to stick to her bogus "survivor of domestic violence" charade. A survivor who committed first degree, premeditated murder, but not one who deserves the death penalty.

"Insanity" doesn't take the DP or LWOP off the table in Arizona, you're found "Guilty, but insane", spend your time in a hospital for the criminally insane, and if you ever get "normal" you do the rest of your sentence in the "Big House" or "Death Row". <--That and her ego is more than likely WHY that option never came up when the trial started last year. She really thought she could beat these charges.

 

[MeeBee]

Interesting. I hadn't heard that. Maybe it boils down to priorities? Perhaps the disparity between her high-scoring expressive abilities and her low-scoring receptive/comprehensive abilities is just another indication of her self-centeredness. That is, her primary interest is in what she says, and she tailors her speech (both tone and content) to get the desired reaction from the desired people. That's really what we all do to some extent, but Jodi has a special knack for turning normal into abnormal.

So maybe while she's busy spinning her own little webs, she just doesn't pay too much attention to what other people say (or write). Unless it's about her -- in which case her little ears prick right up.

I wonder if her efforts to portray herself as an insightful and prolific reader are intended to make a weakness seem like a strength.

Gosh, I love your posts. You say everything so eloquently and succinctly.

 

[krkrjx]

I am really torn about having cameras in the courtroom....please forgive me if this has been said before....Jodi already thinks she is a movie star and celebrity so by having the cameras just plays to her delusions. I would love the see the sentencing trial, don't get me wrong but I hate to have her enjoy the attention of the cameras. Go Juan....we have faith in your abilities to get the jury to see that she needs to die for her crime.

I agree.

I think cameras should be allowed because citizens have a right to see legal proceedings; they should not happen in secret. On the other hand, I hate the idea of Arias gaining even more fame and fortune because her killer face is plastered on TV screens again...through at least December for crying out loud.

I want to see this play out but I do not want her to gain from it in any way. So I, too, am torn.