Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias #3

[T-4-2]

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Her hatred for Travis, and by proxy , the Alexander family, is what keeps the steam in her engine going. Add to that, the hatred for The Hughes, bringing up the caboose.

Given what has been made abundantly clear about the Hughes' sentiments regarding Jodi (before she killed Travis!), her statements to Det. Flores about what a "wonderful family" they are etc. etc. are just sooooooo creepy. A wonderful family who threw her out of their house and forbad her from ever coming back. She talks about her relationship with them in the past tense, but she makes it sound as though they had all just met on a cruise or something. This is even after Det. Flores tells her he's spoken with them!

 

[josie1986]

Is there anything on today? Having a bit of a carp week so not really with it

 

[YESorNO]

Dark day in AZ court today.
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Michael K. Jeanes, Clerk of Court
*** Electronically Filed ***
10/03/2014 8:00 AM

09/29/2014


http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...4/m6511485.pdf

 

[blefuscu]

Who is the "SW woman"?

 

[salberg7]

Just to add, a few pages back someone mentioned a twitter account that linked to a blog by a JA supporter. I too wholeheartedly agree with not going to "SW" 's blog. Don't be a part of her plan to increase the ## of "hits" she gets to her website, as that is exactly what she wants to improve her notoriety. <modsnip> That woman has a few cards missing from her deck.
Actually, the killer's SM (social media) fans give me the creeps.
I am actually getting sick of this Arias thing. What makes her so special? Nothing. Time to dismiss her & have her jingle jangle her way to Perryville. What saddens me is the killer is in the spotlight, not the man who she brutally robbed of his life, of which he was just starting to realize. Jodi sickens me, as do her deranged followers.
As for her donations, how selfish of her, how manipulating! Wonder how the taxpayers of Arizona know that apparently she has money to donate, when CMJA hasn't paid one cent of her defense costs.
This whole sordid case needs to end.
I do think we will find a Jury next week, too. Not everyone has followed the case. I am optimistic (but cautious).
The Flores wife tweets dishearten me. I hope those do not lead to a retrial.

 

[LambChop]

If this "friend" of Jodi's had not put them out to be viewed by the public who would have seen them? Jodi has tried everything under the Sun to control this retrial.

 

[MeeBee]

I remember Samuels emphatically stating: " I beg your pardon sir" after Juan questioned him regarding his "feelings" for the defendant. Samuels face got a bit red and his eyes widened.

http://www.teameisner.org/blog/2014...rt-witness-lessons-from-the-jodi-arias-trial/

Oh, yes. He protested a little too much, if you know what I mean.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

OK, IMO...JM is gonna have a field day with this motion. The defense just opened up a can of worms by submitting this verbose motion. Again, IMO, JM is probably dancing in the streets!!
All Mrs.F needed to do was read over on the Hodie is Innocent site to find EVERYTHING and more. They are ALWAYS citing "inside sources" and what not. I don't venture over there anymore, but I've read some posts that IMO constitute "terroristic threats". They've gone from blowing up JM's office to his car to his stabbing. Also, IMO, Mrs.F was trying to "up her rep" by citing "inside sources" and not being able to reveal "other" stuff. I DO believe MrsF is pretty active in her reading other sites....just like anyone on earth with a computer can. The other stuff, Mrs.F is ALLOWED to be online AND social media....just as the prisoner has 1st amendment rights....her constant presence on the net with her selling drawings *cough* and such....so does Mrs.F.
Just because her husband is part of the investigation, doesn't mean she has no rights to voice her opinion. The motion mentioned her saying the "stabbing", etc. NOT her other stuff, albeit maybe a little "different", the PUBLIC and the Arias supporters are the ones pulling all the other posts into the mix. IMO, JM's gonna have NO prob addressing all that twitting, ect.

Now, the "can of worms", again, IMO. We have the "release" of JA's conversation about whatever donations, etc., which, IMO, was basically discussing the method for getting around the system that whoever is doing for her, and having all the funds go into THAT account...I'm foggy on all this carp, but I think you catch my drift.
THEN, we get into the DLR (DeLaRosa) mystery...not the pic, but the whole PayPal/phone call carp and her "alleged" part in it.....so says the "inside sources" on the net.....LOL See, ANYONE can get ANY info from ANY one of these Arias sites siting their "inside sources".
THE ABOVE IS STRICTLY RUMOR FOUND ON THE NET!! Just like Mrs.F probably did.

That's all I got to say about that!! Long, but not 60 pages!!
Again, as always, IMO and the "rumor mill" from sites/blogs NOT connected to the case. IMO, I kinda take what's said on the State vs. site with a grain of salt as well. NO offense to anyone associated with the site or those who read it and/or post there.
PS....THANK the Lord for the button to retrieve auto saved post function....I pushed wrong button and thought my post went off to oblivion!!

 

[MeeBee]

OK, IMO...JM is gonna have a field day with this motion. The defense just opened up a can of worms by submitting this verbose motion. Again, IMO, JM is probably dancing in the streets!!
All Mrs.F needed to do was read over on the Hodie is Innocent site to find EVERYTHING and more. They are ALWAYS citing "inside sources" and what not. I don't venture over there anymore, but I've read some posts that IMO constitute "terroristic threats". They've gone from blowing up JM's office to his car to his stabbing. Also, IMO, Mrs.F was trying to "up her rep" by citing "inside sources" and not being able to reveal "other" stuff. I DO believe MrsF is pretty active in her reading other sites....just like anyone on earth with a computer can. The other stuff, Mrs.F is ALLOWED to be online AND social media....just as the prisoner has 1st amendment rights....her constant presence on the net with her selling drawings *cough* and such....so does Mrs.F.
Just because her husband is part of the investigation, doesn't mean she has no rights to voice her opinion. The motion mentioned her saying the "stabbing", etc. NOT her other stuff, albeit maybe a little "different", the PUBLIC and the Arias supporters are the ones pulling all the other posts into the mix. IMO, JM's gonna have NO prob addressing all that twitting, ect.

Now, the "can of worms", again, IMO. We have the "release" of JA's conversation about whatever donations, etc., which, IMO, was basically discussing the method for getting around the system that whoever is doing for her, and having all the funds go into THAT account...I'm foggy on all this carp, but I think you catch my drift.
THEN, we get into the DLR (DeLaRosa) mystery...not the pic, but the whole PayPal/phone call carp and her "alleged" part in it.....so says the "inside sources" on the net.....LOL See, ANYONE can get ANY info from ANY one of these Arias sites siting their "inside sources".
THE ABOVE IS STRICTLY RUMOR FOUND ON THE NET!! Just like Mrs.F probably did.

That's all I got to say about that!! Long, but not 60 pages!!
Again, as always, IMO and the "rumor mill" from sites/blogs NOT connected to the case. IMO, I kinda take what's said on the State vs. site with a grain of salt as well. NO offense to anyone associated with the site or those who read it and/or post there.
PS....THANK the Lord for the button to retrieve auto saved post function....I pushed wrong button and thought my post went off to oblivion!!

I was thinking that his would open up a can of worms, as well, and it's not a good can for the defense. The shady way this person went about getting information from Mrs. Flores, for one. For another, there's a certain writer who always seems privy to inside and even sealed information. In fact, wasn't it HIM that broke the news about the juror's joke (I'll have to dig around for that one, but I think it was). Wasn't it him who knew who the foreman was when no one else did? It would not surprise me if he shares certain info with certain supporters. Stuff no one should know. I'd like to see Juan do a bit of digging because some of their methods are straight up shady and unethical. They cry about threats and then threaten the prosecutor? They cry about jury tainting but that's exactly what MK is trying to do himself by printing subtly biased articles with lines such as, "the prosecutor was caught saying derogatory things in a sidebar" and printing all the accusations against JM as fact. Sometimes I wonder if people live in the same universe as me. I wonder, with all their sending information to the DT, if anyone has sent this info to the prosecutor?

 

[turaj]

I was thinking that his would open up a can of worms, as well, and it's not a good can for the defense. The shady way this person went about getting information from Mrs. Flores, for one. For another, there's a certain writer who always seems privy to inside and even sealed information. In fact, wasn't it HIM that broke the news about the juror's joke (I'll have to dig around for that one, but I think it was). Wasn't it him who knew who the foreman was when no one else did? It would not surprise me if he shares certain info with certain supporters. Stuff no one should know. I'd like to see Juan do a bit of digging because some of their methods are straight up shady and unethical. They cry about threats and then threaten the prosecutor? They cry about jury tainting but that's exactly what MK is trying to do himself by printing subtly biased articles with lines such as, "the prosecutor was caught saying derogatory things in a sidebar" and printing all the accusations against JM as fact. Sometimes I wonder if people live in the same universe as me. I wonder, with all their sending information to the DT, if anyone has sent this info to the prosecutor?

I think whether opening a "can of worms" is good or bad for the defense...makes little difference....it is just a way to delay things...that is what it is all about for the defense...confuse and delay...it will work for short term but long term will not help them at all.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I was thinking that his would open up a can of worms, as well, and it's not a good can for the defense. The shady way this person went about getting information from Mrs. Flores, for one. For another, there's a certain writer who always seems privy to inside and even sealed information. In fact, wasn't it HIM that broke the news about the juror's joke (I'll have to dig around for that one, but I think it was). Wasn't it him who knew who the foreman was when no one else did? It would not surprise me if he shares certain info with certain supporters. Stuff no one should know. I'd like to see Juan do a bit of digging because some of their methods are straight up shady and unethical. They cry about threats and then threaten the prosecutor? They cry about jury tainting but that's exactly what MK is trying to do himself by printing subtly biased articles with lines such as, "the prosecutor was caught saying derogatory things in a sidebar" and printing all the accusations against JM as fact. Sometimes I wonder if people live in the same universe as me. I wonder, with all their sending information to the DT, if anyone has sent this info to the prosecutor?

BBM: I had exactly the same concern last night, MeeBee. I would hope that JM has some youngsters in his office that are following the internet gossip but, if not, I'm not sure they would ever connect the dots if this woman takes her page down now that things are heating up. I wish someone in AZ would take a screen shot and send the link to the DA.

I see now why Arias disassociated herself recently - can't you just hear it? "Nothing to do with me, your honour. As soon as I heard of it I dropped her acquaintance."

All Arias' fans strike me as adult '7th grade bullies'.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Good morning everyone! LTNS!

I haven't been on the Arias threads since the trial but not once have I ever forgotten Travis and his family.

I read the motion and found it to be quite immature. It really was nothing but a big pity party and grasping at straws complaint.

I would imagine that in all cases things are said by both sides when they are up at the Judge's bench that may be adversarial. No where is it stated the state and the defense have to like each other. I think what Juan said about Wilmott is probably typical. All attorneys can become frustrated by the actions of the other side. Much ado about nothing, imo. They are trying to make a mole hill into a mountain and doing it very poorly, imo.

I actually find this DT as strange as their client. The things listed in the motion are really quite lame and filled with nonsensical fluff/filler.

But lets say for argument sake that Jodi is allowed to blame all of her woes on the magnificent Juan. I truly think if allowed it would backfire and blow up in her face. Perhaps JA likes to forget she is already a convicted murderer in the first degree.

I can certainly read between the lines in the motion and what they want to use as a mitigating factor is to blame Arias' action on the victim or in other words they want to retry the guilt phase by putting Travis on trial again. Never have I seen that used as a mitigating factor but this case and how it has been handled by the DT is far beyond bizarre. JS should not allow them to victimize Travis again. If Nurmi starts the 'how did it make you feeeel' the Judge should admonish him and tell him they are not going to retry the guilt phase but with JS at the helm wth knows what will happen.

One thing did strike me as odd and that is when they listed she has remorse for what she has done. Really? Seriously? I must have missed it during the first trial. I saw no remorse whatsoever. What I did see was a premeditated murderer who lied on the stand about the victim she silenced and blamed him for the entire thing.

I hoping this time that JA gets what she so richly deserved and that is death. To this day I cant get the autopsy photos out of my mind and knowing that the murderer drove a 1000 miles to do this to this young man still boggles my senses. It is truly one of the most diabolical murders I have ever seen. How a human could do this to anyone just because the victim no longer wanted them in their life still boggles and haunts my mind to this day.

May the jury selected get it right this time and send her to death row. When Travis told her to leave him alone for good is the day he became a dead man walking. I hope the jury sees that for it is so clear why she did this to Travis who had the right to live his own life without Arias in it.

The very first thing in OS Juan should do is put up a large photo of Travis when he was robust and vibrant in life. And then tell the jury 'this man was a victim of a domestic violence homicide.' And then show them the horrific autopsy photos showing what happens to a domestic violence victim when they dare to tell their victimizer "no more."

IMO

 

[Hatfield]

I just watched an interview with a dismissed 'juror'. I do not understand why some of them are not being rehabilitated. This juror said that she had watched the trial daily and looked at all the evidence including all the photos. So what? The evidence that will be presented in court will include the crime scene photos and most of the things JA has done subsequently. There is very little evidence pertaining to this phase that will be kept from jurors (The gun/knife she had post-murder, the pedo letters she faked etc.) She deserves the death penalty because she butchered Travis Alexander and then trashed/continues to trash his reputation by making up horrendous lies. These points will be addressed in court. I don't understand why these potential jurors aren't be told exactly what is required of them...to basically follow the law. Most of them can do that.

I totally agree. The right questions need to be asked of them. Mainly..."Can you listen to the evidence and make a decision on her PENALTY based ONLY on that evidence, even though you may have seen some coverage of the original trial"?

The wrong questions are being asked. One glaring one I spotted was the use of the word "CASE" in the question, implying that jurors had to decide her "case" (i.e., guilty/not guilty). I posted about this one quite a ways back.

The questions need to be VERY carefully worded to make sure the jurors understand what they are there for, and the limited role they have in this SENTENCING-ONLY phase.

I totally agree a lot of the jurors being released would have been fine candidates if the right questions were asked of them.

 

[Nikki In Denver]

Hi sweet justice seekers! I'm overwhelmed trying to catch up. Where do i start? :findinglink::lookingitup:
Haven't read or watched anything JA related since the 1st trial. :dunno:

 

[rose222]

I totally agree. The right questions need to be asked of them. Mainly..."Can you listen to the evidence and make a decision on her PENALTY based ONLY on that evidence, even though you may have seen some coverage of the original trial"?

The wrong questions are being asked. One glaring one I spotted was the use of the word "CASE" in the question, implying that jurors had to decide her "case" (i.e., guilty/not guilty). I posted about this one quite a ways back.

The questions need to be VERY carefully worded to make sure the jurors understand what they are there for, and the limited role they have in this SENTENCING-ONLY phase.

I totally agree a lot of the jurors being released would have been fine candidates if the right questions were asked of them.

Yes, Hatfield. It's troubling. And puzzling since I imagine that Juan Martinez would object to letting perfectly good 'jurors' get away. This is why I wish it were being televised. We're getting bits and pieces of information that leave us confused.

I believed that the Judge would give a brief overview (a few sentences) of the case including the fact that the defendant has been found GUILTY of FIRST-degree murder. In fact, wouldn't the Judge have to tell them that since Arias has been found guilty that they too must agree with the verdict? As you say, wording is everything. The word 'impartial' can be misleading. The Judge ought to ask them whether they can follow the law and look at all the mitigating AND aggravating factors (which does include autopsy photos). I imagine that the Defense is quite happy to weed out those who have very strong opinions. One dismissed juror looked directly at Arias and said to her 'You wouldn't want me on this jury' or words to that effect.

 

[wenwe4]

It occurs to me that one of the questions the jurors need to be asking themselves is . . . would I sentence JA the same way I would sentence a male who had done the same thing? Would looking through more "gender" impartial lenses be able to cut through some of the pity that JA is begging for? Would the defense argue the same way if the DV homicide were role reversed? I;m curious if anyone thinks this factor could play a role in the upcoming trial?

 

[janx]

And if I was the DT, I would be mortified that I had to rely on dubious amateur twitter stings to formulate my legal motions. Seriously, it's like they don't even do their own work anymore. They just rely on SW and her ilk to tattle on people and send them the screen caps.

Agreed. This motion consisted of nothing more than recycled previous motions with a dollop of twitter gossip from JA's internet warriors. The convict has been living in a cell and conversing with these people for years. In a sense, they have become her defense team, at least in her dreams.

 

[Tuba]

Looking at remorse as a mitigator, let's be particular and specific. It is "moral anguish arising from repentance for past misdeeds." By contrast, Arias claims innocence. No misdeed there! Far from repenting, she asks judge & jury to find that she was justified in her actions June 4, 2008 because she was defending herself. Nurmi strayed from that defense in his closing at trial because of the weight of evidence against the position. But Arias has never recanted.

Never mind horror at crime scene photos, which frightened Arias because they exposed her. Moral anguish is distinct and speaks to awareness & understanding of the wrongfulness of her acts. This is the woman who blithely informs Flores that she only follows the ten commandments. Bearing false witness at the time, while considering thou shall not kill and looking at her ring finger.

 

[atthelake]

I have been without internet... and very little television for about 12 hrs... friends are calling me telling me that Jodi is going to walk free... can someone please please fill me in... short version of what is going on? Before I eat a bucket of nails ??
TYIA

The *friends* that are calling perhaps do not understand legalities, are not :websleuther: as to what is going on and have gotten sucked in and not reading it correctly that the defense is just making a :bigfight: for the media?

Welcome home... put your mind at rest.

Keep in mind with cases that reach this point, that those things that live under bridges come out all over social media, including here. Some folks just like to stir stuff up for the heck of it. It's fun for them to have folks respond.

Scrolling and rolling.... (is there an emoticon for that?)

:seeya:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Hi sweet justice seekers! I'm overwhelmed trying to catch up. Where do i start? :findinglink::lookingitup:
Haven't read or watched anything JA related since the 1st trial. :dunno:

:seeya: Hello,


You may want to start with the Re-Trial Threads listed below:


Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias #1

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?254184-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias



Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias #2

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?256796-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-2


Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias #3

[You are already here]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?258202-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-3


Current Sidebar Thread #30

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?258240-SIDEBAR-30-Arias-Alexander-forum



I hope this helps !