Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias #3

[Deleted member 122533]

Stealing the gun from her grandfather's home was dumb, dumb, dumb. (I now believe that she planned all along to use both the gun and knife to make it look like two people murdered Travis.) Considering that she is as smart as Einstein and capable of writing an entire Manifesto liar she's not too bright. Of course she'll never reveal the location of the gun since she wants us to believe that she shot Travis with his gun. And, even if we do find the gun she'll say that the burglar managed to hide it in the desert (or wherever) in order to frame her. The list of people who are out to get poor Arias is never-ending. What's a girl to do? :dramaqueen:

One of the many annoying things about Arias is how arrogant she is. Her smug, smirking face shows her real personality, as hard as she tries to conceal it from the jurors. Although Arias is a prolific, shameless liar, she is not bright enough to present her fabrications in a convincing way. This adds another layer of disgust when watching the trial. Every sane person observing knows she is lying but she continues, relentlessly, adding more twists and distortions. It shows a shocking contempt. Remember how she slips and slides around questions - even ones she has already answered in court? Like when Juan Martinez asks her about dropping the knife? She had already testified that she had dropped the knife but wrestled with Juan before being forced to concede. She thought pretending to misunderstand would work. She tried to make the question about gripping the knife. One of many examples of making herself look duplicitous and thick. Arias is sinister, disturbing. There is something very wrong with her.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

One of the many annoying things about Arias is how arrogant she is. Her smug, smirking face shows her real personality, as hard as she tries to conceal it from the jurors. Although Arias is a prolific, shameless liar, she is not bright enough to present her fabrications in a convincing way. This adds another layer of disgust when watching the trial. Every sane person observing knows she is lying but she continues, relentlessly, adding more twists and distortions. It shows a shocking contempt. Remember how she slips and slides around questions - even ones she has already answered in court? Like when Juan Martinez asks her about dropping the knife? She had already testified that she had dropped the knife but wrestled with Juan before being forced to concede. She thought pretending to misunderstand would work. She tried to make the question about gripping the knife. One of many examples of making herself look duplicitous and thick. Arias is sinister, disturbing. There is something very wrong with her.

I am not sure it is about Arias not being bright enough. A lot of psychopaths do have above normal intelligence.

I think it is more to do with how she only mimics normalcy but actually does not possess true emotions, therefore; whatever she says or tries to do it comes across with a flat affect. That is why her power point presentation came across as cold, emotionless, and rather bizarre. The one thing she needed was emotions and that she does not possess.

One cant fake emotions when they truly don't have any. They can try to fake it as Arias constantly has done but to even the most unobservant it is obvious what is missing is the inner emotions and that is what most people have and why when they say something they inflect their own emotions in whatever they say.

I don't think she is mentally ill at least not by judicial standards. She is the typical psychopath who has become a murderer. We just don't usually get to see such type of murdering psychopaths in verbal action like we have seen Arias.

It will be a case book example for many mental health experts to use over the coming years and can also enlighten prosecutors when they have their own psychopath defendant to deal with in the future.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I say we bargain with her: gun and knife location in exchange for an unchallenged Mitigation Factor. Tell us where you ditched the gun and knife (knives) and we'll not challenge a Mitigating mental health diagnosis (BPD or PTSD, your choice). It's a win/win in my book. [emoji4]

ETA: Surely the fog has lifted by now. 2008 to 2014.

I don't want Juan bargaining with Arias about anything.

Finding the knife and gun is not necessary now that she has been convicted of premeditated murder in the first degree.

And if I know Juan .....he is not going to bargain with this killer. He is going to do everything in his power to put her where she belongs on death row.

And it is obvious Travis' family wants no bargaining chips on the table.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'll never eat ham again.

A lot of the defense experts seem to be ham hocks in more way than one. LOL!

 

[Truth Detector]

I'd forgotten how much his face looks like a canned ham.

I'm afraid that someone owes canned ham an apology.

 

[Truth Detector]

Her only moral anguish is that she got caught.

And that the wool isn't pulling over others' eyes like it used to.

 

[Truth Detector]

I'll never eat ham again.

Don't forget that she also 'went' for Gus Searcy.

Hey, if you're a man who has something she wants... money, phone, car, fame, a Christmas tree to sleep under, etc.

 

[Truth Detector]

Why can't it be introduced somehow in this penalty phase that the killer had, in her possession, a handgun & a knife when she was arrested? Can't the prosecution use that as one of the factors to help determine the convict's state of mind & that just through her having these weapons her state of mind was such that she would/could perhaps kill again & should be given death because if she was ever given the possibility of getting parole she should be considered a danger to society? Or was she still in the "fog" when she was arrested. Who drives around with a 9mm taped to an engine?
Darn, if the defense can bring up tweets allegedly sent by someone with ties to the investigator, can't the prosecution bring out the FACT that CMJA had those weapons?
I love my country & would give my life for the USA if necessary but for goodness sake, our system seems to give a defendant more rights than the victim.

She will kill again.

She has already demonstrated motive and proficiency.

Just look at the differences in weight and musculature between herself and her victim. The element of surprise and the simplest of weapons was enough for the waif to overpower Travis.

All she needs is time and opportunity.

She will get the time.

She will make the opportunity.

Will it be another inmate or a guard who will die by her hand? Perhaps someone on the Defense Team or an appeal preparation professional? Will she rake a shiv across the throat of a media staffer interviewing her regarding her appeals status

Or will she escape, or be paroled three decades hence only to stalk and kill her next victim?

You are absolutely correct about violent criminals having many more rights than their victims.

The theory here is that the 'depriver' of the victim's rights in a violent crime is by definition inhumane while the State is bound by justice.

Travis was helpless, naked, and defenseless as he was torture-murdered by CMJA.

And now she is being defended by Arizona taxpayers and has benefited from the assumption of innocence until guilt was proven.

Well, especially cruel first degree murder was proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

And now, what is unjust is the rather low bar she's required to clear in presenting merely a preponderance of evidence in order to mitigate her just punishment.

'Life' ain't fair -- and by that, I mean LWOP and LWPoP@25 are both unfair sentences.

She is extremely dangerous to all living beings and should be executed by a team with heavily enhanced security.

 

[Renee110]

It will be a case book example for many mental health experts to use over the coming years and can also enlighten prosecutors when they have their own psychopath defendant to deal with in the future.

I said this back when the trial was going on. I wondered who taught Juan how to follow that nut into the abyss when she was playing games and avoiding his questions and bring her back with answers. That is a definite skill set in my eyes, something learned.

One of the dismissed prospective jurors last week said she teaches about either this case or Arias. I wonder if she teaches law or psychology? How interesting that she isn't even sentenced yet her case is already in the schools.

 

[rose222]

One of the many annoying things about Arias is how arrogant she is. Her smug, smirking face shows her real personality, as hard as she tries to conceal it from the jurors. Although Arias is a prolific, shameless liar, she is not bright enough to present her fabrications in a convincing way. This adds another layer of disgust when watching the trial. Every sane person observing knows she is lying but she continues, relentlessly, adding more twists and distortions. It shows a shocking contempt. Remember how she slips and slides around questions - even ones she has already answered in court? Like when Juan Martinez asks her about dropping the knife? She had already testified that she had dropped the knife but wrestled with Juan before being forced to concede. She thought pretending to misunderstand would work. She tried to make the question about gripping the knife. One of many examples of making herself look duplicitous and thick. Arias is sinister, disturbing. There is something very wrong with her.

I am not sure it is about Arias not being bright enough. A lot of psychopaths do have above normal intelligence.

I think it is more to do with how she only mimics normalcy but actually does not possess true emotions, therefore; whatever she says or tries to do it comes across with a flat affect. That is why her power point presentation came across as cold, emotionless, and rather bizarre. The one thing she needed was emotions and that she does not possess.

One cant fake emotions when they truly don't have any. They can try to fake it as Arias constantly has done but to even the most unobservant it is obvious what is missing is the inner emotions and that is what most people have and why when they say something they inflect their own emotions in whatever they say.

I don't think she is mentally ill at least not by judicial standards. She is the typical psychopath who has become a murderer. We just don't usually get to see such type of murdering psychopaths in verbal action like we have seen Arias.

It will be a case book example for many mental health experts to use over the coming years and can also enlighten prosecutors when they have their own psychopath defendant to deal with in the future.

She has no idea what constitutes acceptable/normal behaviour. I remember when a juror asked her whether she had ever been physical with Travis (besides the time that she murdered him). She said that when Travis tried to choke her that she kind of pushed him away. She specifically stated that she didn't want to hurt him or anything (of course not, she wouldn't hurt a fly!) but that she did try to get him off. A normal person wouldn't mind hitting/kicking/scratching someone who is trying to choke them! I mean it's natural and acceptable. But, since Arias has no idea what is normal and what is not she gave us the most ludicrous answer possible. She didn't want to hurt a man who tried to choke her--this from a woman who butchered him to death!

Same thing with saying how wonderful Chris and Sky Hughes are. They kicked her out. It's perfectly normal to not like a couple that kicks you out of their house.

It's also acceptable to be a *little* jealous of your ex-bf's new love interest. JA though, said that she was so happy for Travis...blah, blah blah.

She pretends to be okay with things that normal people might not like but then is really bubbling with deadly hate/jealousy inside.

 

[Renee110]

Why can't it be introduced somehow in this penalty phase that the killer had, in her possession, a handgun & a knife when she was arrested? Can't the prosecution use that as one of the factors to help determine the convict's state of mind & that just through her having these weapons her state of mind was such that she would/could perhaps kill again & should be given death because if she was ever given the possibility of getting parole she should be considered a danger to society? Or was she still in the "fog" when she was arrested. Who drives around with a 9mm taped to an engine?
Darn, if the defense can bring up tweets allegedly sent by someone with ties to the investigator, can't the prosecution bring out the FACT that CMJA had those weapons?
I love my country & would give my life for the USA if necessary but for goodness sake, our system seems to give a defendant more rights than the victim.

BBM
If I'm not mistaken I do believe that JSS ruled that this evidence would be too prejudicial and therefore could not be presented to the jury. Just like telling the jury she slashed his tires or crouched behind his Christmas tree after sneaking in was too prejudicial.

If I ever go rogue and decide to break the law I'm doing it in Arizona.

 

[Truth Detector]

Stealing the gun from her grandfather's home was dumb, dumb, dumb. (I now believe that she planned all along to use both the gun and knife to make it look like two people murdered Travis.) Considering that she is as smart as Einstein and capable of writing an entire Manifesto liar she's not too bright. Of course she'll never reveal the location of the gun since she wants us to believe that she shot Travis with his gun. And, even if we do find the gun she'll say that the burglar managed to hide it in the desert (or wherever) in order to frame her. The list of people who are out to get poor Arias is never-ending. What's a girl to do? :dramaqueen:

BBM

St. Jodi of Arias maintains that she was saving the world's children by placating a dangerous pedophile.

:stormingmad:​

I still can't believe JSKS allowed that hokum in her courtroom.

:banghead:

 

[Truth Detector]

I said this back when the trial was going on. I wondered who taught Juan how to follow that nut into the abyss when she was playing games and avoiding his questions and bring her back with answers. That is a definite skill set in my eyes, something learned.

One of the dismissed prospective jurors last week said she teaches about either this case or Arias. I wonder if she teaches law or psychology? How interesting that she isn't even sentenced yet her case is already in the schools.

Probably "Advanced Criminology: Torture Murder 101".

 

[Truth Detector]

BBM
If I'm not mistaken I do believe that JSS ruled that this evidence would be too prejudicial and therefore could not be presented to the jury. Just like telling the jury she slashed his tires or crouched behind his Christmas tree after sneaking in was too prejudicial.

If I ever go rogue and decide to break the law I'm doing it in Arizona.

BBM

Yes, but fabricating a masturbation event and stating that only her unselfish "debasing" proclivities saved the children west of the Mississippi from a dangerous Mormon pedophile was factual enough for JSKS.

You know what she can do with that Toblerone.

Oh, that's right -- she already did!

 

[MeeBee]

I said this back when the trial was going on. I wondered who taught Juan how to follow that nut into the abyss when she was playing games and avoiding his questions and bring her back with answers. That is a definite skill set in my eyes, something learned.

One of the dismissed prospective jurors last week said she teaches about either this case or Arias. I wonder if she teaches law or psychology? How interesting that she isn't even sentenced yet her case is already in the schools.

I thought this too. Sociopaths are slippery, getting a straight answer out of them can be near impossible sometimes. There were a lot of critics about Juan's style and some will say it's just not the way to do it. But he was very skilled at pinning her down and pulling a straight answer out of someone like Jodi, really no easy thing. She was good too, but she got so caught up in the game sometimes she'd let things spill out that she probably wishes she could take back. For instance, she said she always enjoyed the sex, and Travis always asked first, going against her previous rape stories.

 

[Deleted member 122533]

I am not sure it is about Arias not being bright enough. A lot of psychopaths do have above normal intelligence.

I think it is more to do with how she only mimics normalcy but actually does not possess true emotions, therefore; whatever she says or tries to do it comes across with a flat affect. That is why her power point presentation came across as cold, emotionless, and rather bizarre. The one thing she needed was emotions and that she does not possess.

One cant fake emotions when they truly don't have any. They can try to fake it as Arias constantly has done but to even the most unobservant it is obvious what is missing is the inner emotions and that is what most people have and why when they say something they inflect their own emotions in whatever they say.

I don't think she is mentally ill at least not by judicial standards. She is the typical psychopath who has become a murderer. We just don't usually get to see such type of murdering psychopaths in verbal action like we have seen Arias.

It will be a case book example for many mental health experts to use over the coming years and can also enlighten prosecutors when they have their own psychopath defendant to deal with in the future.

I agree that Arias displays behaviour that indicates she is a psychopath. As for her intelligence, the assessment carried out showed a higher level of word skills/use. Her other scores weren't outstanding. She is conniving rather than impressively cunning and exaggerates her own abilities to a mockable degree. Look how she misjudged Detective Flores when presenting her, "I was never in Arizona" claim? She isn't bright enough to carry out the 'perfect murder' She repeatedly fails to grasp the intelligence of others. A perfect example of this is how Arias thought through the motive part of the murder. She thought that claiming to have no motive (when it was screamingly obvious to the world that there were several strong ones) was a clever move. She is almost self-congratulatory when smugly stating she was never in Mesa. She simply doesn't have the intelligence to control her narcissism.

As for emotion, Arias shows plenty - when crying for herself. Psychopaths have traditionally been classed as incapable of emotion but recent studies and thought on this reflects a shift in approach. The processing of the emotions is interesting. Psychopaths are goal orientated and deal with emotions in a way that helps achieve their aims. I found it fascinating to hear how many times Arias mentioned her goals in court. Arias has feelings of intense rage bubbling below the 'motiveless' surface. Remember how her voice cracked when Juan Martinez asked her about taking Mimi to Cancun? Just saying the word Cancun caused her voice to change, followed by a cough. This is indeed a great opportunity for psychologists and psychiatrists to study a psychopath over a long period on the stand in court. It's also predictable that her Defense Team are now using mental illness diagnosis presented by prosecution experts. Focus on mental illness will be a key part of future strategies, I'd bet.

 

[Deleted member 122533]

She has no idea what constitutes acceptable/normal behaviour. I remember when a juror asked her whether she had ever been physical with Travis (besides the time that she murdered him). She said that when Travis tried to choke her that she kind of pushed him away. She specifically stated that she didn't want to hurt him or anything (of course not, she wouldn't hurt a fly!) but that she did try to get him off. A normal person wouldn't mind hitting/kicking/scratching someone who is trying to choke them! I mean it's natural and acceptable. But, since Arias has no idea what is normal and what is not she gave us the most ludicrous answer possible. She didn't want to hurt a man who tried to choke her--this from a woman who butchered him to death!

Same thing with saying how wonderful Chris and Sky Hughes are. They kicked her out. It's perfectly normal to not like a couple that kicks you out of their house.

It's also acceptable to be a *little* jealous of your ex-bf's new love interest. JA though, said that she was so happy for Travis...blah, blah blah.

She pretends to be okay with things that normal people might not like but then is really bubbling with deadly hate/jealousy inside.

Great examples there. One of the problems is that she persisted trying to push her lack of a jealousy/anger motive at the jury. It caused her to trip up repeatedly - making a mockery of her lies and counter lies. She 'couldn't keep her lies straight' nor could she figure out how to act the stories out. The classic one was after shooting him, "I pissed him off the worst I have ever seen him pissed off". It's blindingly obvious that even she doesn't believe her lies and is incapable of acting effectively.

The biggest irony is that telling the truth would have served her better. Yet her arrogance, vanity and aim to get away with murder led to a resounding conviction for the slaughter of Travis Alexander.

 

[Renee110]

I agree that Arias displays behaviour that indicates she is a psychopath. As for her intelligence, the assessment carried out showed a higher level of word skills/use. Her other scores weren't outstanding. She is conniving rather than impressively cunning and exaggerates her own abilities to a mockable degree. Look how she misjudged Detective Flores when presenting her, "I was never in Arizona" claim? She isn't bright enough to carry out the 'perfect murder' She repeatedly fails to grasp the intelligence of others. A perfect example of this is how Arias thought through the motive part of the murder. She thought that claiming to have no motive (when it was screamingly obvious to the world that there were several strong ones) was a clever move. She is almost self-congratulatory when smugly stating she was never in Mesa. She simply doesn't have the intelligence to control her narcissism.

As for emotion, Arias shows plenty - when crying for herself. Psychopaths have traditionally been classed as incapable of emotion but recent studies and thought on this reflects a shift in approach. The processing of the emotions is interesting. Psychopaths are goal orientated and deal with emotions in a way that helps achieve their aims. I found it fascinating to hear how many times Arias mentioned her goals in court. Arias has feelings of intense rage bubbling below the 'motiveless' surface. Remember how her voice cracked when Juan Martinez asked her about taking Mimi to Cancun? Just saying the word Cancun caused her voice to change, followed by a cough. This is indeed a great opportunity for psychologists and psychiatrists to study a psychopath over a long period on the stand in court. It's also predictable that her Defense Team are now using mental illness diagnosis presented by prosecution experts. Focus on mental illness will be a key part of future strategies, I'd bet.

:goodpost:

 

[borndem]

Stealing the gun from her grandfather's home was dumb, dumb, dumb. (I now believe that she planned all along to use both the gun and knife to make it look like two people murdered Travis.) Considering that she is as smart as Einstein and capable of writing an entire Manifesto liar she's not too bright. Of course she'll never reveal the location of the gun since she wants us to believe that she shot Travis with his gun. And, even if we do find the gun she'll say that the burglar managed to hide it in the desert (or wherever) in order to frame her. The list of people who are out to get poor Arias is never-ending. What's a girl to do? :dramaqueen:

bbm

I think she should take a little nap....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I said this back when the trial was going on. I wondered who taught Juan how to follow that nut into the abyss when she was playing games and avoiding his questions and bring her back with answers. That is a definite skill set in my eyes, something learned.

One of the dismissed prospective jurors last week said she teaches about either this case or Arias. I wonder if she teaches law or psychology? How interesting that she isn't even sentenced yet her case is already in the schools.

The media pundits often complained that JM 'jumped in the weeds' too often. Juan knew exactly what he was doing. When she went off on one of her tirades he jumped right in 'the weeds' with her. He let her get away with nothing.

This is not the first psychopath he has ever dealt with. He knew her game and he knew how to play it well.

That's very interesting Renee. Did she not say what her profession is?

I think this case will be discussed for decades to come.

Like I said earlier, it isn't often we get to see a true psychopath in action for as long as we have seen Arias. It really is chilling to know there are people out there like Arias but it also enlightening to be able to see one very up close.

I think Juan is ready for any antics she may do. He even knows her better now than ever before. She hates that he does know her so well. She hates that he exposes the true Arias. He knows how to push her buttons and even she falls for it because of her narcissism. It shows that Juan is far more intelligent than she is and knows Arias like the back of his hand.

It's usually far more advantageous for the state the second go around. He has had ample time to devise a strategy of how he is going to do it in the penalty phase.

What I do hope is evidence that wasn't allowed into the guilt phase now will be allowed in the penalty phase since she is already convicted of Murder One.

I think there is still much evidence that Juan knows about that JS disallowed in the last trial and I hope those things are allowed in during this phase now. Her presumption of innocence is nonexistent now.

IMO