Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 26, Part 2

[AZlawyer]

RBBM: Unless, it's AZL. She seems infallible. :wink: I do have to wonder about Beth's coverage. I noticed it at the last trial. And, anyone that sits next to Kiefer, must get some defense germs on them.

Haha no on the infallibility. If you read through the whole lawyer questions thread, you'll find a couple of times when I had to come back and correct myself.

 

[LambChop]

It has been a very long, emotional day for many posters here. Tomorrow is another day and even if we feel some of the jurors are doubters just look at it this way, Juan now knows where the weak spots are and how to address them. And, of course, he will. :cheer: :juanettes:

 

[daisydomino]

I don't have to agree with everyone to like the group and to enjoy discussions here. Diversity makes us a better group, I think. I enjoy all the posts here a lot.

I have a spreadsheet of Tweets, but I'm too beat and too grumpy to clean up all of the extraneous data (likes and retweets, etc.) I think I'll work with the juror questions section just for Websleuths who check in here later on and would like to see them all together.

 

[Luvrosco]

I thought so, too.

I thought so,also.

 

[Hatfield]

Maybe she was just trying on the testilying blazer tonight to make sure it still fits. LOL

And how obvious to the jury that she is now changing attire to fit the court days. Just the other day she comes in with loose fitting T-shirt and tries to look sexy to jury and now all of a sudden she has on her power suit.

Her inconsistency in attire and behavior in the courtroom is just another form of attempted manipulation. The thing is though....she telegraphs it to the jury.

If she would have had good advice she should have stayed consistent throughout the trial with proper attire and manners.

 

[Boytwnmom]

It's seems pretty clear and just common sense that at least some jury members will see this "mitigation" for what it is. When the jury begins to function together, people who are outliers will have their views challenged and will need to support their views. Given the complete dearth of evidence of any of the defense theories, I'm pretty confident that everyone will end up on the same page in terms of her lack of mitigation. The tactics employed by the defense run much more risk of enraging jurors and securing her the death penalty out of sheer disgust. I still don't get how this is a good strategy.

This doesn't mean she'll get death. It only takes one. It is still possible to have a stealth juror, an anti-DP type, who knows. I'm hoping not. I hope Juan & the family get what they want and what she deserves. But I'll just be happy that she'll have to shut up and go away from her cushy jail to a real prison with people who are just as bad as she is. Her life is over one way or another.

At the start of every trial the jury is hung, isn't it? I've read every question and I'm not worried. So, a few questioned DV? Those FEW could have been asked early on in his testimony IN DECEMBER. Either way, this jury gets it. They see through this BS defense and I am NOT worried.

 

[Wolfpack Fan]

If that one juror asked DeMarte if she knew who the message in the two magazines was for, could she say it was for Matt, or did that never come out?

 

[Kamille]

That's pretty much what I got. I think one or two MIGHT be believing SOME of the abuse...but the pedophilia is out.

Considering that this jury supposedly does not know a lot of what the rest of the online world knows about this case, and they have not been able to speak with each other about the case, it only stands to reason that some of them are going to believe what the DT is selling. To find 16 people who all see the entire trial so far the same would be miraculous (especially if they believe she deserves the DP) but extremely unlikely.

Question is...who makes the cut, who is the foreperson, and can the ones who make the cut come to a unanimous decision? If it appears that more do NOT believe anything they've been hearing, we have to hope they can convince the others of their position and that there is not a stealth anti death penalty juror in the mix.

MOO

 

[grammieto5]

This witness says he takes issue with belief, but he has no trouble with stating his opinion? So is he saying he does not believe there was abuse??? This witness is finished right? So we won't be hearing from him again!

 

[DebinGA]

Allocution is done without lawyers, right? Just JA telling lies straight to the jury? Is there a time limit on that?

 

[Kamille]

Another......questioned why she sounded strong in journal about leaving in April but acted other than strong....

Let's hope it was written WAYYYY back when JW was going over the journal word for word with Geff and that juror sees things a little different now that JM has had a crack at him.

MOO

 

[bettybaby00]

Trust me, the DT will never get it xrayed. It would almost certainly show there is no break in that finger and they couldn't present it as an incidence of DV anymore. We may not know until autopsy.

OMG :giggle:

 

[LinTX]

Originally Posted by Hope4More View Post
One question indicated the juror believed T actually asked her to marry him - and more than once.

Another seemed to indicate a belief that she had been emotionally abused by T.

Still reading.
Another......questioned why she sounded strong in journal about leaving in April but acted other than strong...

I went back to each of these examples to check myself as much as anything. I took most of them to be the juror asking him to explain discrepancies, as in why believe he proposed to JA if TA knew she knew about Lisa, etc.

Interesting to see how differently we read some of this stuff, and it's one of the things I appreciate about being here. I post what I think, and consider others' views that differ - sometimes I change my opinion and sometimes not, but I enjoy the discussions and the differences of opinion. Respect for all...

 

[BritsKate]

And how obvious to the jury that she is now changing attire to fit the court days. Just the other day she comes in with loose fitting T-shirt and tries to look sexy to jury and now all of a sudden she has on her power suit.

Her inconsistency in attire and behavior in the courtroom is just another form of attempted manipulation. The thing is though....she telegraphs it to the jury.

If she would have had good advice she should have stayed consistent throughout the trial with proper attire and manners.

RBBM

She'd have to listen to such advice. I'd bet money she does what she wants, how and when she wants, to the best of her ability while incarcerated.

 

[Hatfield]

Since Jodi is trying to manipulate the jury with her attire. Someone should make her wear this during her allocution:

http://www.thestar.com/news/2015/01...-hockey-costume-at-miss-universe-contest.html

 

[Hope4More]

Which one?

It began with...."_I understand the cycle of abuse......'

 

[MeeBee]

It's seems pretty clear and just common sense that at least some jury members will see this "mitigation" for what it is. When the jury begins to function together, people who are outliers will have their views challenged and will need to support their views. Given the complete dearth of evidence of any of the defense theories, I'm pretty confident that everyone will end up on the same page in terms of her lack of mitigation. The tactics employed by the defense run much more risk of enraging jurors and securing her the death penalty out of sheer disgust. I still don't get how this is a good strategy.

This doesn't mean she'll get death. It only takes one. It is still possible to have a stealth juror, an anti-DP type, who knows. I'm hoping not. I hope Juan & the family get what they want and what she deserves. But I'll just be happy that she'll have to shut up and go away from her cushy jail to a real prison with people who are just as bad as she is. Her life is over one way or another.

Paul Sander, juror in the Devault trial who is covering this trial now, was asked the other day if some might be feeling sympathy for her. He said yes BUT... That's normal. It's usual for a jury to go into deliberations with a split, often a large split. You talk and you reason and usually you make your way toward a common ground for the most part. His jury was split on both guilt and life vs death but they got there.

IMO it's hard to really change someone's mind once they're made up. If one guy is feeling sympathy for her I think it will be didficult for him to give her death, even if they convince him she lied about some things. He may rationalize other things. But that's not the worst thing. She has already gotten a life sentence, no matter if she gets life or death. She's not going anywhere.

Tomorrow's another day though. You never know.

 

[MeeBee]

It began with...."_I understand the cycle of abuse......'

Oh wow, I thought that was a good one for the state the way Jen wrote it. That's disappointing.

 

[casesensitive]

Beth Karas is the most objective (intelligent/experienced) public voice that I have heard during this trial. If she opines about something that some don't agree with, or makes a mistake, they are far and few between.

Her perceptions of what is happening should be considered as an alert, instead of "shoot the messenger" mentality.

 

[Hope4More]

I went back to each of these examples to check myself as much as anything. I took most of them to be the juror asking him to explain discrepancies, as in why believe he proposed to JA if TA knew she knew about Lisa, etc.

Interesting to see how differently we read some of this stuff, and it's one of the things I appreciate about being here. I post what I think, and consider others' views that differ - sometimes I change my opinion and sometimes not, but I enjoy the discussions and the differences of opinion. Respect for all...

Couldn't agree with you more. The questions are tea leaves. Only three of them made me pause, and could definitely be interpreted another way.

Sorry all of us don't have access to BK, and sorry for my technical limitations in reporting back.