Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 9

[MeeBee]

? Don't understand this? The rest I do. I get what he wrote. The egg he needed to remove was his article 2 days ago where he said Nurmi must be telling the truth because otherwise he would open himself up to misconduct charges .

Since Nurmi wasn't and Kieffer will never criticize Nurmi, he seems to need to toss responsiblity back JM's way, no matter how many untruths or half truths it takes.

I was just calling your post accurate lol. I thought you articulated very well exactly is happening here and in so few words. I was gonna give you a glowing review, but that too obvious. I tried to have fun with it lol.

 

[lilyet]

I now know exactly how the state should finish their closing arguments when the time comes. I think this would be perfect:

Juan should either read live or have a recording/presentation made in which someone reads the words Travis wrote.

"This year I'm going to love more...laugh more..." (you guys know the one I'm referring to). Then as that is being read, pictures of TA be flashed on the big screens -- the picture changing each time a new line is read of the things Travis is looking to do in the coming year. Start with pictures of him alive and then segue to ones of him deceased. I can't imagine a more powerful presentation to leave the jury with when Juan then asks them to sentence his killer to the ultimate punishment.

That would be good.

I think about this, what Travis wrote. I agree. Would be powerful and humanize him and set aside all the sexuous crap.Let his voice be the one the jurors hear.

 

[Tulessa]

MOTION FOR SANCTIONS - DENIED
Media is able to film ‪#‎JodiArias‬ conversing with mitigation specialist, Maria De La Rosa.


http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/112014/m6572014.pdf

 

[Caylee Advocate]

There are things far more powerful than past hardship (wooden spoon smacks) during a mitigation hearing.

Humility.

Remorse.

Shame.

Truthfulness.

Self-Claimed Responsibility.



Jodi could have been funneling her art sale proceeds to the Alexander family or even to Deanna Reid at least to defray Napoleon's expenses. She could have been using her much cherished "verbal intelligence" to help with literacy courses for other inmates. She could have been honest on her numerous psychological exams and begun an earnest course of self-improvement.


Of her six years in jail, Jodi Arias did none of that. In her 45 minutes with Troy Hayden's cameras trained nowhere but on her, she did none of that.


What she did reveal is what Travis himself told us from the grave as his text messages to her were displayed for all the world to see while Jodi Ann Arias was on trial. What Travis said to her is, "You only have tears for yourself"

 

[Hope4More]

I was just calling your post accurate lol. I thought you articulated very well exactly is happening here and in so few words. I was gonna give you a glowing review, but that too obvious. I tried to have fun with it lol.

(Slaps self in head). Gotcha. I think I'm too tired to read r think straight. Time to go.

Nighty night. See you back here so only, I'm sure.

 

[Madeleine74]

That would be good.

I think about this, what Travis wrote. I agree. Would be powerful and humanize him and set aside all the sexuous crap.Let his voice be the one the jurors hear.

The jury would hear the words of hope he wrote, see pictures of him they need to remember as they deliberate, especially the cruel way his life ended and how he wasn't able to do things on his list because for Travis the year ended on the day he died, and the jury would likely hear some crying from his loved ones, even if they were very quiet, which is extremely powerful. It would, in Travis' very own words, bookend the whole reason they are there and remind them of who Travis was and how violently his life was taken. I get chills thinking how this could play out in the courtroom.

 

[katiecoolady]

For those of us who don't use Twitter, can you please explain how hashtags are used? I always thought they were like keywords/search tags. Thanks.

I'm probably using them all wrong. I consider them like a little whisper of a remark that sort of emphases what you are tweeting but again, I'm sure I"m doing it pretty much totally wrong. Oops lol

 

[MeeBee]

There are things far more powerful than past hardship (wooden spoon smacks) during a mitigation hearing.

Humility.

Remorse.

Shame.

Truthfulness.

Self-Claimed Responsibility.



Jodi could have been funneling her art sale proceeds to the Alexander family or even to Deanna Reid at least to defray Napoleon's expenses. She could have been using her much cherished "verbal intelligence" to help with literacy courses for other inmates. She could have been honest on her numerous psychological exams and begun an earnest course of self-improvement.


Of her six years in jail, Jodi Arias did none of that. In her 45 minutes with Troy Hayden's cameras trained nowhere but on her, she did none of that.


What she did reveal is what Travis himself told us from the grave as his text messages to her were displayed for all the world to see while Jodi Ann Arias was on trial. What Travis said to her is, "You only have tears for yourself"

:applause:

I get what Nurmi is trying to do. He's trying to give reasons why someone with Jodi's issues would react in the way she did to stressors. But all it comes off as, when done in this way, is excuses and blame. As a juror, none of this would have any affect on me. Nurmi is doing this all wrong. I would he very upset, as a juror, if I was here to decide her punishment and all the defense did, for days, was talk about how terrible Travis was and how sweet Jodi was. They're trying to hide it this time but it's still the same as last time: Travis=bad, Jodi=good.

If I were a juror, I wouldn't want excuses. All I would want is remorse, tears, shame, for the murderer to say there is NO excuse for what I have done.

A better tack would have been to outline the mutually dysfunctional relationship Jodi and Travis had then move into Jodi's "mental illness" and why she didn't handle this dynamic very well and leave it there.

But again, Nurmi doesn't care. He doesn't care if he loses most of the jury. He doesn't care if he pisses them off. All he needs to do is connect with one. This is his method. I don't know what he's thinking though.

 

[MeeBee]

I'm probably using them all wrong. I consider them like a little whisper of a remark that sort of emphases what you are tweeting but again, I'm sure I"m doing it pretty much totally wrong. Oops lol

No, you can use them any way you want! You're using them the way most people do, for sure. But their main point is to sort of tag your tweet. That way when people search #jodiarias they can find all the relevant tweets made. Pretty handy during this retrial.

:thumb:

 

[lilyet]

The jury would hear the words of hope he wrote, see pictures of him they need to remember as they deliberate, especially the cruel way his life ended and how he wasn't able to do things on his list because for Travis the year ended on the day he died, and the jury would likely hear some crying from his loved ones, even if they were very quiet, which is extremely powerful. It would, in Travis' very own words, bookend the whole reason they are there and remind them of who Travis was and how violently his life was taken. I get chills thinking how this could play out in the courtroom.

I get tears in my eyes. Am so sad for Travis and his family.

 

[katiecoolady]

KCL, have you heard anything more about whether the secret witness was in fact Jodi Arias? If not, who do you think it might be?

I don't often use the word hate, but right now I do hate Nurmi for the way that he has presented this case. One can still defend a murderer and try to save them without crossing moral and ethical boundaries, but IMO, Nurmi has crossed them in a very big way.

RIP Travis, and others who were taken at the hands of another.

I don't know anything more than you guys but here's my opinion. I do think Jodi was on the stand that day and I do trust Troy Hayden. I don't know how that fits in with the "secret witness" deal, if it was some kind of set up for that or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if the defense doesn't pepper their entire presentation w/ various appearances by the murderer with very limited questions so it could be something like that. Other than that, I'm in the dark like the rest of yas.

 

[Hatfield]

For those of us who don't use Twitter, can you please explain how hashtags are used? I always thought they were like keywords/search tags. Thanks.

Thanks for asking this and thanks Meebee for answering it. Putting Meebee's answer below in quotes. I've always wondered this myself. I dont do Twitter or Facebook.
So glad to finally know what a hashtag is.

"That's basically what they are. It makes the tweet more easily searchable. "

 

[katiecoolady]

No, you can use them any way you want! You're using them the way most people do, for sure. But their main point is to sort of tag your tweet. That way when people search #jodiarias they can find all the relevant tweets made. Pretty handy during this retrial.

:thumbup:

Thank you! I"m really really really stupid on twitter but I blast on there to make points then disappear for months. I'm on a Tourette's mode right now complete with homegrown hashtags that no one will ever search on. LOL

 

[bsk]

MOTION FOR SANCTIONS - DENIED
Media is able to film ‪#‎JodiArias‬ conversing with mitigation specialist, Maria De La Rosa.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/112014/m6572014.pdf

Respectfully, I believe your second headline is not quite accurate. The request was for sanctions against the media. As I read it, JSS isn't saying that it was okay for the media to film JA+MDLR, but rather that it was an innocent mistake and they took actions to remove it once notified, so having the press person read them the riot act that MDLT is included in the DT for these purposes was sufficient and no further sanctions were needed.

 

[LinasK]

:applause:

I get what Nurmi is trying to do. He's trying to give reasons why someone with Jodi's issues would react in the way she did to stressors. But all it comes off as, when done in this way, is excuses and blame. As a juror, none of this would have any affect on me. Nurmi is doing this all wrong. I would he very upset, as a juror, if I was here to decide her punishment and all the defense did, for days, was talk about how terrible Travis was and how sweet Jodi was. They're trying to hide it this time but it's still the same as last time: Travis=bad, Jodi=good.

If I were a juror, I wouldn't want excuses. All I would want is remorse, tears shame, for the murdwrer to say there is NO excuse for what I have done.

A better tack would have been to outline the mutually dysfunctional relationship Jodi and Travis had then move into Jodi's "mental illness" and why she didn't handle this dynamic very well and leave it there.

But again, Nurmi doesn't care. He doesn't care if he loses most of the jury. He doesn't care if he pisses them off. All he needs to do is connect with one. This is his method.

BBM. Joey Jackson, who usually takes the defense side, said the same thing recently on HLN. He'd take the position of begging/remorse for her actions, NOT trashing the victim. But Jodi threatened to do just that when she didn't get to plead to 2nd degree murder, and she did. She's directing Nurmi's defense with her blessing, and that's why he's stooping so low (assassinating Travis's character), although sex defenses are his specialty. But he's showing himself to be even slimier than Jose Baez, which is hard to do.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

:applause:

I get what Nurmi is trying to do. He's trying to give reasons why someone with Jodi's issues would react in the way she did to stressors. But all it comes off as, when done in this way, is excuses and blame. As a juror, none of this would have any affect on me. Nurmi is doing this all wrong. I would he very upset, as a juror, if I was here to decide her punishment and all the defense did, for days, was talk about how terrible Travis was and how sweet Jodi was. They're trying to hide it this time but it's still the same as last time: Travis=bad, Jodi=good.

If I were a juror, I wouldn't want excuses. All I would want is remorse, tears shame, for the murdwrer to say there is NO excuse for what I have done.

A better tack would have been to outline the mutually dysfunctional relationship Jodi and Travis had then move into Jodi's "mental illness" and why she didn't handle this dynamic very well and leave it there.

But again, Nurmi doesn't care. He doesn't care if he loses most of the jury. He doesn't care if he pisses them off. All he needs to do is connect with one. This is his method. I don't know what he's thinking though.

Can you even try to imagine being on trial with your life on the line, and not begging a jury to spare your life? I can't. I see where Nurmi is coming from, but if I were a juror, I would want to hear remorse spewing from her evil lips.

 

[katiecoolady]

BBM. Joey Jackson, who usually takes the defense side, said the same thing recently on HLN. He'd take the position of begging/remorse for her actions, NOT trashing the victim. But Jodi threatened to do just that when she didn't get to plead to 2nd degree murder, and she did. She's directing Nurmi's defense with her blessing, and that's why he's stooping so low (assassinating Travis's character), although sex defenses are his specialty. But he's showing himself to be even slimier than Jose Baez, which is hard to do.

I heart Joey Jackson. His fan page is really the only facebook one I follow that follows this trial. JoeyJackson Fans, it's a really uplifting page.

 

[MeeBee]

I heart Joey Jackson. His fan page is really the only facebook one I follow that follows this trial. JoeyJackson Fans, it's a really uplifting page.

Great page!

 

[AZlawyer]

AZL, would Juan be able to call Dr. Hiatt in his rebuttal?

I know I have seen other cases where witnesses have testified about statements the deceased victim had told them prior to being murdered. I just think his testimony would be so credible.

Its just a shame that he told someone close to him that he felt Jodi was going to kill him one day and for the jury to never know that.

TIA

I don't think it would be relevant, really, unless the defense somehow opens the door by suggesting that Travis never had the slightest concern about Jodi. Even so, it probably wouldn't be worth bringing in a whole new witness.

 

[TexMex]

There are things far more powerful than past hardship (wooden spoon smacks) during a mitigation hearing.

Humility.

Remorse.

Shame.

Truthfulness.

Self-Claimed Responsibility.



Jodi could have been funneling her art sale proceeds to the Alexander family or even to Deanna Reid at least to defray Napoleon's expenses. She could have been using her much cherished "verbal intelligence" to help with literacy courses for other inmates. She could have been honest on her numerous psychological exams and begun an earnest course of self-improvement.


Of her six years in jail, Jodi Arias did none of that. In her 45 minutes with Troy Hayden's cameras trained nowhere but on her, she did none of that.


What she did reveal is what Travis himself told us from the grave as his text messages to her were displayed for all the world to see while Jodi Ann Arias was on trial. What Travis said to her is, "You only have tears for yourself"

Exactly. So far her mitigation effort is: Travis dumped me , played me, had sex even though he maintained he was a Morman virgin. It's all about Travis and how it's his fault. He made her upset. Next week we will be regaled, no doubt, with the abusive pedophile nonsense. She's trying to sell the jury that she did a public service to rid the world of a man who was a player, who bent her finger and who possibly would have molested children. It's outrageous.
If I were on her jury the ONLY thing that MIGHT make me consider LWOP instead of DP is if she stands up and admits to the premeditated, heinous murder of a nice guy. Then she would need to apologize to the family and friends, the investigators and the court for the way she and her counsel tried this case. Following that she would need to beg forgiveness from his family, her parents and her God.
Until something like that occurs, IMO, this jury will give her death