Revenge or justice? Does anyone feel guilty of their behavior

[coco puff]

i don't feel particularly vengeful toward casey. i feel more like i want to understand how terrible crimes like this happen, what drives women to kill their own children--and what we could do as a society to prevent these crimes.

ultimately, yes, casey is responsible for her actions...but that doesn't mean it's not worth considering how we can all come together to prevent things like this. and the first way to prevent IMHO is to understand. so i am here to learn and understand.

also, i've never found it confusing why the anthonys are standing behind the "murderer." in this case, the murderer is their own flesh in blood, their own daughter. it's not an easy situation by any means. i'm not defending them, but i do think it's actually pretty normal (i.e. there are many, many stranger things about them than the fact they won't throw casey under a bus here).

and justice for caylee? sure, i believe in justice. but she is dead no matter what. i'm sure the anthonys know that better than anyone. and from that vantage point, what sense does it make to nail her mother to a wall and treat her brutally and hatefully? it won't bring caylee back. if casey is guilty (which i have no doubt she is), she should serve her time, most likely LWOP. but she should be treated humanely IMO, if for no other reason then out of compassion for her family, who are losing a granddaughter and effectively losing a daughter in one fell swoop.

think of it this way, would beautiful little caylee want us to villify her mother, whom she loved? even if she killed her?

so yes, i agree with the OP. justice is one thing, vengeance another. there is no place for vengeance here IMO; it does nothing to honor caylee.

i know that's not going to be a popular stance around here, but that's my :twocents:

:truce:

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No way on earth Caylee would ever want anything bad to happen to her mom. Little kids want to protect their moms and are sad when mommy's cry. They love their mommy's unconditionally.....even when not deserved.

Society has to act on her behalf.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

"The family has obstructed justice, lied, and has protected a murderer."

I was upset that the death penalty was taken off the table. And I think if the family members committed chargeable crimes they should be charged and held accountable legally.

 

[coco puff]

"The family has obstructed justice, lied, and has protected a murderer."

I was upset that the death penalty was taken off the table. And I think if the family members committed chargeable crimes they should be charged and held accountable legally.

ITA. Just because they did a POOR job of trying to cover for her doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished for it.

 

[audiogirl]

I have never supported the death penalty... EVER. I have also had many riveting debates with supporters of the death penalty concerning questions such as....

What if is was your mother, father, sibling, husband, child that was murdered?

I have always stood firm on my response...

There is nothing that can be done on earth that would even touch the punishment these people will receive when they meet their maker.

In light of this case, I have done an abrupt about-face. Why? I asked myself this question over and over. Finally, I step back from the case for a bit to reflect on this most disturbing shift in my thinking. After some time, I have come to the conclusion that KC is the epitome of evil and evil must be put asunder.

Do I feel guilty for feeling this way? ABSOLUTELY NOT

 

[sharpar]

I have nothing to feel guilty about . My children are alive and leading authentic lives. I have a job that provides my income . I have never been in jail and no one is investigating me.

I want the entire family held accountable for the crimes they have committed . Nothing more and certainly nothing less .

I feel no sympathy for their suffering in my mind its pales in comparison
to the suffering that baby endured her entire short life .
She is the victim ... not KC and certainly not her grandparents
and I refuse to buy the constant sell otherwise.

 

[Friday]

I know exactly what causes me to feel such intense anger and vengeance towards KC and her family. It isn't so much that KC is an evil, unashamed murderer...or that her revoltingly dishonest, arrogant family has obstructed and manipulated LE in order to save her from all punishment. What drives me to feel such intense animosity for the A's and even for the defense "dream team," is Fear--I fear that they will somehow succeed in circumventing justice and getting KC off. If it weren't for that fear, I could be so much more logical and less vengeful about the players in this drama along with all their antics.

 

[reeseeva]

Yes, Yes, Friday, This is exactly what infuriates people, coupled with the publicity-driven Defense attorneys jumping on board with their Academy Award winning defense strategy, feeding their Egocentric reputation, which has nothing to do with true Justice.

Yes, I am also afraid & sick!

 

[ecs5298]

I know exactly what causes me to feel such intense anger and vengeance towards KC and her family. It isn't so much that KC is an evil, unashamed murderer...or that her revoltingly dishonest, arrogant family has obstructed and manipulated LE in order to save her from all punishment. What drives me to feel such intense animosity for the A's and even for the defense "dream team," is Fear--I fear that they will somehow succeed in circumventing justice and getting KC off. If it weren't for that fear, I could be so much more logical and less vengeful about the players in this drama along with all their antics.

While I share your fears of a possible acquittal, I am holding out hope that the jurors will see right past their smoke and mirrors and focus on the incontrovertible fact that Caylee was gone for 31 days and KC didn't tell a soul about it. I imagine your fear stems from the OJ trial where a murderer got away with a double homicide due to the jurors being idiots. I think people are a little smarter now because of the OJ case.

And besides...there's always the check fraud and theft charges. I imagine with all the different counts, a judge could string along that sentence for about 60 years!

Keep the faith, Friday!

 

[angeleleven]

"the family has obstructed justice, lied, and has protected a murderer."

i was upset that the death penalty was taken off the table. And i think if the family members committed chargeable crimes they should be charged and held accountable legally.

i agree 100 percent!!!!

 

[Friday]

While I share your fears of a possible acquittal, I am holding out hope that the jurors will see right past their smoke and mirrors and focus on the incontrovertible fact that Caylee was gone for 31 days and KC didn't tell a soul about it. I imagine your fear stems from the OJ trial where a murderer got away with a double homicide due to the jurors being idiots. I think people are a little smarter now because of the OJ case.

And besides...there's always the check fraud and theft charges. I imagine with all the different counts, a judge could string along that sentence for about 60 years!

Keep the faith, Friday!

You're right. And thanks. :blowkiss:

 

[Susanlee]

My anger started with day 1.....she waited 31 days to report her missing (and then only because her Mother called police). Then the lies to police the first 24 hours. Could go on and on (the first recorded phone call from the jail which showed, IMO, her true colors.) So good, bad or indifferent, I was angry and had formed a judgement within the first few days.

 

[seagull65]

I have not accused anyone in this case yet, pending trial. I deeply hope that the murderer will be convicted. I'm not sure yet who Caylee's murderer is, lots of new people were around KC and Caylee in Caylee's last weeks and they were not all ruled out to my satisfaction. KC may not know what happened, she may have been misled or trusted the wrong person, she may have been left to dispose of the body, she may have been threatened or coerced, she could be the murderer herself, she could have failed to protect Caylee from someone else, it just hasn't been proved yet. So far all we know is that Caylee's body or items that were in contact with her (deceased) body were most likely put in the Pontiac trunk at some point. We don't know who killed Caylee, where she died, how she died, who placed her or the items in the trunk, or who was involved in disposing of the body. So I'm suspending judgment until the trial.
I pray Caylee will get the justice she so deserves. I pray for all the people in Caylee's life who loved her and who are innocent.

 

[Maya Love]

She danced on Caylee's grave.

'nuff said. I have no regret for the feelings I have for her.

I think what astounds and drives the fascination w/ this case is the abundance of evidence of Casey not caring or showing she cared one iota about her daughter after the "abduction." In fact, it is the opposite, Casey's life seemed to become to her, "a beautiful life."

 

[shgrbkr]

No. Not at all.

 

[sunflowerchick]

I am finally ready to admit that I feel guilty for actually trying to support Cindy this long. I just don't get it anymore. Why would they come into court today smiling at Casey? Shouldn't they want justice for Caylee? I mean if they really buy the Zanny story (which we all know they don't) wouldn't they at the very least be mad at her for trusting this woman? It just doesn't make sense anymore.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I love your response. It is to the point. This is why I hate KC also but I find myself having chats with myself as to why I am so filled with hate. You are courageous and brave. KC is a coward. She murdered and threw away the only good thing in her that was good and pure and innocent. Everytime that I see poor lil Caylee dancing to the barney song it makes me sad that her death was so senseless. KC is demonic and I hope she gets everything that she deserves.

I believe in my heart that self-righteous anger in the name of the Innocents is justified.

I don't see it as wanting revenge, but wanting justice. Those aren't the same thing in my mind. The Justice System is society's way of channeling the ancient feeling of revenge. I wouldn't take away Caseys' right to a fair trial no matter how much I personally loathed her.

I don't even care what Florida does to her as punishment. In fact, my revenge on a Narcissist like Casey is to never think about her again. She can rot somewhere out of the limelight.

The only videos she'll be making from now on are surveillance pictures from jail. Now that's justice.

I think the anger we all feel is actually human empathy for Caylee. If we didn't feel anything we'd be sociopaths ourselves.

 

[Rumpole]

I have just spent several days looking through hundreds of photos of Caylee for larger, better quality ones to save. I was looking very closely at how Caylee looked and the emotional impact of her image.

I can assure you I have nothing but contempt for KC and huge anger towards her, and those now supporting her.

I feel no regrets whatsoever for seeking revenge. Revenge is only one aspect of what I expect a "Justice" system to deliver, but it is paramount for me in this case.

 

[rbrnmw2]

I am a Christian so it is hard for me to understand the hate that wells up inside of me and the desire to see KC pay for killing a beautiful little baby that God gave her and toss her out like yesterday's garbage Then I think about how many lives Casey has destroyed. None of her friends will ever be able to go through their lives without wondering if they may have been able to do something to prevent it. And didn't Jesus get upset at the merchants selling their wares in the Temple, he knocked their tables over and told them his House was a house of prayer not to be made into a den of thieves. So I look at it like this way I am not her judge but I have a right to be upset at such an unspeakable act and wish to see her face the consequences she deserves. It is human to be angry at such things. I pray that George and Cindy may have some peace. I have prayed for Casey to have some feelings and realize just how evil her actions were.

 

[LCoastMom]

I found myself wondering why am I so blood thirsty for this woman to be punished. I am starting to feel embarrassed about my behavior when KC has a hearing or when I hear bad news for the defense. This is not the first time that someone has committed such a horrible crime but what is it about KC that makes us act in a way that looks like revenge instead of justice?

I have been doing some photochopping for the last few days, off 'n on all day I was staring at a picture of this precious baby girl, Caylee. It made my heart ache to know she is no longer with us. That her gpa JoJo never got the chance to buy her that set of drums. That her gma will never give her a kiss before she goes off to that all important first day of school. Caylee never got to ride a bike, kiss a boy, graduate from HS, fall in love, have her own little baby.

Caylee was still completely innocent. She went for rides around the block in her wagon, she loved Sponge Bob and green beans. And yet I believe in the last weeks of her life she saw more than a baby her age should see, she was taken places (by her mother) that she didn't belong and on June 15, I think she told her gma, in her own little way about some of the things she had been through.

I think her gma tried to have a talk with KC that night and it didn't go well. Think about all the things we've been told that KC had done in the last couple years. There was never any reports of violence. But supposedly on June 15, KC and Cindy had a fight that got so heated that Cindy put her hands to KC's throat. What would cause this to happen? Not an unwed pregnancy, not allowing boys in the house when her parents weren't home, not stealing $45,000. Not stealing from her gmother, not cursing in extremely foul language at her father, not breaking into their shed, not lying about her employment. What is left? What made Cindy so angry?

What made KC take her child the very next day, never to be seen alive again?
Yesterday, after staring at this beautiful little child all day long again, I went back to the beginning. On July 17 after this story broke WS were already posting about the little girl with huge brown eyes, about her mother who didn't report her missing for 31 days and was acting like a stone cold criminal, about her gma who appeared to have a broken heart.

On July 17, WS had already nailed this crime. Thought KC killed Caylee, thought she hated her mother, thought she was a cold blooded sociopath who only cared about herself and possibly her new, younger boyfriend.

Do I feel guilty about the way I feel about KC? No, I feel angry at KC for taking her baby's life, for lying about everything, for wrapping her baby like garbage and leaving her in a gully with duct tape and a heart sticker across her mouth. For breaking her parents hearts, for hurting her brother and her friends.

Leave the blame where it belongs. KC did all this, KC caused all this, let KC take the punishment, whatever it is it will be less than what she did to her baby, her family, everyone who has stumbled across this train wreck. KC's punishment has to be humane, but there is nothing humane about what KC has done.

 

[Rumpole]

I have been doing some photochopping for the last few days, off 'n on all day I was staring at a picture of this precious baby girl, Caylee. It made my heart ache to know she is no longer with us. That her gpa JoJo never got the chance to buy her that set of drums. That her gma will never give her a kiss before she goes off to that all important first day of school. Caylee never got to ride a bike, kiss a boy, graduate from HS, fall in love, have her own little baby.

Caylee was still completely innocent. She went for rides around the block in her wagon, she loved Sponge Bob and green beans. And yet I believe in the last weeks of her life she saw more than a baby her age should see, she was taken places (by her mother) that she didn't belong and on June 15, I think she told her gma, in her own little way about some of the things she had been through.

I think her gma tried to have a talk with KC that night and it didn't go well. Think about all the things we've been told that KC had done in the last couple years. There was never any reports of violence. But supposedly on June 15, KC and Cindy had a fight that got so heated that Cindy put her hands to KC's throat. What would cause this to happen? Not an unwed pregnancy, not allowing boys in the house when her parents weren't home, not stealing $45,000. Not stealing from her gmother, not cursing in extremely foul language at her father, not breaking into their shed, not lying about her employment. What is left? What made Cindy so angry?

What made KC take her child the very next day, never to be seen alive again?
Yesterday, after staring at this beautiful little child all day long again, I went back to the beginning. On July 17 after this story broke WS were already posting about the little girl with huge brown eyes, about her mother who didn't report her missing for 31 days and was acting like a stone cold criminal, about her gma who appeared to have a broken heart.

On July 17, WS had already nailed this crime. Thought KC killed Caylee, thought she hated her mother, thought she was a cold blooded sociopath who only cared about herself and possibly her new, younger boyfriend.

Do I feel guilty about the way I feel about KC? No, I feel angry at KC for taking her baby's life, for lying about everything, for wrapping her baby like garbage and leaving her in a gully with duct tape and a heart sticker across her mouth. For breaking her parents hearts, for hurting her brother and her friends.

Leave the blame where it belongs. KC did all this, KC caused all this, let KC take the punishment, whatever it is it will be less than what she did to her baby, her family, everyone who has stumbled across this train wreck. KC's punishment has to be humane, but there is nothing humane about what KC has done.

I wholeheartedly agree with all you write, except....
and I find this surprising in myself that on this occasion, beyond any case I can remember, I am not even concerned about the "Humane" bit for KC.