REVISIT Does LE have enough evidence to Convict Casey on 1st Degree Murder?

[Wudge]

On the "what happened to the bag in Casey's trunk" thread, there's a post that LP is claiming that LE has found the body. Yes, that's right. That would certainly change things, wouldn't it?

Absolutely.

First, that would settle the dead or alive issue.

Second, the M.E. might be able to determine the cause of death and the mechanism of death (if relevant).

 

[Sammi99]

Don't the searches for chloroform on the computer before Caylee's disappearance and the levels of chloroform detected in the trunk, found by Oakridge Tennessee Lab point to premeditation?

 

[Wudge]

Don't the searches for chloroform on the computer before Caylee's disappearance and the levels of chloroform detected in the trunk, found by Oakridge Tennessee Lab point to premeditation?

That's speculation.

First, where is the clear and unyielding evidence that Caylee died from an unlawful killing?

 

[Valrico Analyzer]

Caylee told us what happened to her. She left some of herself in the trunk , she left her hair to show us that she is in heaven. She told us that her mommy killed her. They have enough to put her behind bars for life. Bless her sweet soul.

YEP! Theres overwhelming evidence. There's absolutely NO WAY a jury wont find her guilty, if, for no other reason than her doofus attorney having some ridicoulous openingstatement.

If he put her on the stand, that would be legal malpractice.

 

[trixi491]

This poll hasn't really been paid much attention to since the discovery of Caylee's body. Opinions now?

 

[Searchfortruth]

Good idea, thanks for bringing this back. I believe LE will be able to show it was premeditated. From what has been released, I think the computer searches and the duct tape will be used to show premeditation, but I also think there is more to come in that area. LE has stated emphatically that they believe it was premeditated murder, I believe in their ability to prove it.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

This poll hasn't really been paid much attention to since the discovery of Caylee's body. Opinions now?

I think not even Perry Mason could get her out of this one.

 

[chefmom]

I believe they do. 31 days of not reporting her child missing is pretty strong in and of itself. The other stuff is just gravy.

 

[robotdog]

what exactly did she do in her "backwards way" on her own to actually find her daughter?

hells bells, she put more planning into EVERYTHING else she did

getting tatoos
getting harcuts
going shopping
stealing
gabbing on the phone
etc
etc
etc

see, thats the problem for her and her whole defense team, they wont be able to show one credible piece of evidence that she DID anything :furious:

 

[Lovejac]

what exactly did she do in her "backwards way" on her own to actually find her daughter?

hells bells, she put more planning into EVERYTHING else she did

getting tatoos
getting harcuts
going shopping
stealing
gabbing on the phone
etc
etc
etc

see, thats the problem for her and her whole defense team, they wont be able to show one credible piece of evidence that she DID anything :furious:

uh....hello.......you forgot

grinding at Fusion
cooking spaghetti for TonE
pedicure & manicure

 

[robotdog]

uh....hello.......you forgot

grinding at Fusion
cooking spaghetti for TonE
pedicure & manicure

yes, you are correct
what in tarnation was i thinking ?:crazy:

 

[robotdog]

uh....hello.......you forgot

grinding at Fusion
cooking spaghetti for TonE
pedicure & manicure

grinding.........LOL


the prosecution is going to grind her away :woohoo:

 

[magic-cat]

That's speculation.

First, where is the clear and unyielding evidence that Caylee died from an unlawful killing?

Is there such a thing as a LAWFUL KILLING?

The clear and unyielding evidence is that she was DEAD in her mothers trunk.
Her mother told NOBODY!
Her body was found down the street from their house-wrapped in garnage bags and thrown into a laundry tote.
She had DUCT TAPE across her mouth.
And oh yes, she was DEAD! and I doubt that she was killed in a lawful manner...

 

[snow_walker]

In a sense, there is indeed such a thing as a 'lawful killing'.. self defense.. perhaps little Caylee was threatening her mother with a lollypop or a rubber ducky or something?

Anyway.. I am not as convinced as I wish I were that this is an open and shut case. There is no one single piece of evidence, (so far released) that taken by itself, really shows that this was murder, and/or that KC was responsible. Taken all together, the evidence seems overwhelming, and I cannot imagine what the defense will be, but juries do not always listen to the whole chain of evidence. They wait to hear that 'her fingerprints were on the duct tape.' If it isn't as simple as that, they hesitate to convict a pretty young woman on circumstantial evidence alone.

 

[sarah7855]

In a sense, there is indeed such a thing as a 'lawful killing'.. self defense.. perhaps little Caylee was threatening her mother with a lollypop or a rubber ducky or something?

Anyway.. I am not as convinced as I wish I were that this is an open and shut case. There is no one single piece of evidence, (so far released) that taken by itself, really shows that this was murder, and/or that KC was responsible. Taken all together, the evidence seems overwhelming, and I cannot imagine what the defense will be, but juries do not always listen to the whole chain of evidence. They wait to hear that 'her fingerprints were on the duct tape.' If it isn't as simple as that, they hesitate to convict a pretty young woman on circumstantial evidence alone.

There might not be one single piece of evidence released YET (a "smoking gun"), but LE has emphatically stated that they believe that Casey was single-handedly responsible for the premeditated killing and disposal of her child. In order to make that statement, they have to have some pretty convincing evidence. Remember, too, that they made that very same statement to the GJ, who delivered a 7 count indictment including 1st degree murder-ALL BEFORE CAYLEE WAS FOUND. Now, with the discovery of the remains, they now have even more evidence. Obviously, they are keeping the "smoking guns" close to the vest at this point-testing, retesting, making their case airtight against Casey. It's going to be the totality of the mountain of circumstantial evidence, as well as a few smoking guns that we haven't seen yet (IMO) that are going to seal the deal for Miss Casey.

ETA: In a sense, it's not going to be an "open and shut" case...it's going to be weeks upon weeks of the State presenting exhibit after exhibit, and all of us watching as JB's head finally goes "pop"! I can't wait!

 

[maryaok]

Can you imagine what it's going to be like on the streets outside the court house the day they drag her sorry behind in to that courtroom!!!!!

 

[songline]

In a sense, there is indeed such a thing as a 'lawful killing'.. self defense.. perhaps little Caylee was threatening her mother with a lollypop or a rubber ducky or something?

Anyway.. I am not as convinced as I wish I were that this is an open and shut case. There is no one single piece of evidence, (so far released) that taken by itself, really shows that this was murder, and/or that KC was responsible. Taken all together, the evidence seems overwhelming, and I cannot imagine what the defense will be, but juries do not always listen to the whole chain of evidence. They wait to hear that 'her fingerprints were on the duct tape.' If it isn't as simple as that, they hesitate to convict a pretty young woman on circumstantial evidence alone.

Unfortunately I wish there was direct proof that will tie Casey to the baby's demise, but like you I feel that everything is pointing at Casey but nothing so far ties her directly to proof of doing it.
Not even Caylee in her trunk, if a dream team can convince anyone that Casey had no connection to that (did not put her there). IMO that is what the defense will be doing; unless there is something really solid to tie Casey to it.
POINTING AT CASEY and tyeing her to it are two different things.
I would not want to see them lose over a technicality.
IMHO if they had enough to go to trial / court, they would.
It is kind of like the OJ case they could not tie him to it at that time.

 

[darcedarce]

Yes, I think there is enough evidence.

 

[Seebra]

uh....hello.......you forgot

grinding at Fusion
cooking spaghetti for TonE
pedicure & manicure

Oh, and one more... SHOPPING at TARGET with OTHER People's money!

What, Casey, did you think you might spot ZFG while trying on flip flops?

 

[wanetta]

Unfortunately I wish there was direct proof that will tie Casey to the baby's demise, but like you I feel that everything is pointing at Casey but nothing so far ties her directly to proof of doing it.
Not even Caylee in her trunk, if a dream team can convince anyone that Casey had no connection to that (did not put her there). IMO that is what the defense will be doing; unless there is something really solid to tie Casey to it.
POINTING AT CASEY and tyeing her to it are two different things.
I would not want to see them lose over a technicality.
IMHO if they had enough to go to trial / court, they would.
It is kind of like the OJ case they could not tie him to it at that time.

I agree - I don't see evidence to prove premeditated murder so far. I especially agree with your point about the dream team - I think that group of high profile professionals will change drastically what goes on in this trial, as compared to how it started with only J. Baez to defend her. You know how it is, there are some people who think if a "famous" (or infamous!lol) person says it, then it is true, or if news media reports it - it's true, or if law enforcement/courts say it - it's true. If it was premeditated murder, I certainly hope they have the evidence to prove it - or to put it another way, whatever part she did played in this, I hope they hold her accountable -- no more and no less.