REVISIT Does LE have enough evidence to Convict Casey on 1st Degree Murder?

[Nore]

Hi all, I may be far off in my opinion, that is why I dont post often.I have a hard time writing what I am thinking. I think the defense is grasping at straws to stretch this out..They know prospective jurors may "cool" off toward KC as time goes by thus making it possible to try for a lighter sentence.How many criminals get two years to put up a defense? not many. I am just praying to God it doesn't work I;m glad I;m not in Fla..I could never even consider the fact of kc's innocense.By causing so many delays their plan could well backfire.She is guilty as sin :behindbar

 

[essies]

Pat Brown, criminal profiler, was on a rant about this mess!

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2009/07/criminal-profiling-duct-tape-damning-evidence-for-casey-anthony/

KC's victims grew from Caylee (who paid the ultimate price) to the state of Florida where budgets for various programs for needy children and elderly are being cut because of the economy. :furious:

 

[songline]

Hi all, I may be far off in my opinion, that is why I dont post often.I have a hard time writing what I am thinking. I think the defense is grasping at straws to stretch this out..They know prospective jurors may "cool" off toward KC as time goes by thus making it possible to try for a lighter sentence.How many criminals get two years to put up a defense? not many. I am just praying to God it doesn't work I;m glad I;m not in Fla..I could never even consider the fact of kc's innocense.By causing so many delays their plan could well backfire.She is guilty as sin :behindbar

ITA :clap:

 

[songline]

Defense has the right to postpone in order to get ready for the trial - I don't agree that it has anything to do with whether or not SA has a "slam dunk" or not. Defense is given as much time as they need to prepare for trial and it is to their benefit if it is way down the road because the case will not be as much in the "public eye"/media.

Defense has many rights. but that is not the strategy.
Often times when a case takes too long the guilty walk.
TIME is only on KCs side not the prosecutors.
And her team is dragging their feet. :furious:

 

[akashana]

I agree that it all points to Casey. Seems to me there are no finger prints, no other direct links...So when LE Daddy found out one little piece he helped her clean up the mess. Other wise there would be a direct LINK from Casey to Caylee. and IMHO her parents knew before 31 days, the delay was a prayer for a tinny body to be so decomposed that it could not tell a tale.
The heart on the skull is the only direct link....I hope they can get her on that. But the 31 days - watch her play out- I was waiting for the whomever to bring Caylee back.
Her parents refused to give a garment to the search team: that is proof that they knew more, and did not want Caylee found. YES it all points to Casey and Family.

MY BOLD

Is it true they definitively ruled out KC's prints? I thought only the other As, but I could've missed that on a doc dump. I, too, believe they knew Caylee was dead, but I still don't think they knew it as early as last June or July. I think they started to think so when they smelled the odor in the car, and as evidence mounted they came to believe, if not accept, that she was really gone. I still think that if any of the Anthonys had been involved in the disposal of the remains, they would have placed them far away from home base, possibly even framing somebody (Jesse? Ricardo?) to allay suspiciouns from KC. They had freedom of movement to bury or otherwise hide little Caylee where nobody would discover her. It just doesn't make good sense to dump her down the street.

 

[DotsEyes]

The defense can not be prejudiced by unreasonable time restraints. Ms. Lyons must be given time to prepare an adequate defense, no matter whether she is teaching or has other trials scheduled between now and KC's trial, she still gets time to prepare. The only way to get more time to prepare is to file a motion to continue the scheduled trial date. It is not such a huge deal and it is not uncommon for a trial to take 18 months or 2 years to get to court. There is no need to rush. The facts will not change. Whatever was true last summer is still true this summer and will still be true next summer. That's the beauty of truth.

Now, that said. Of course there is enough to convict KC on Murder 1. If there wasn't, the DA (or State's Attorney) would not have brought those charges and the Grand Jury would not have indicted KC for Murder 1 before Caylee's body was even found.

The only reason the DP was taken off of the table was an effort to get a confession and Caylee's location in exchange for KC's life. She didn't budge. The body was found and the DP got slapped back on the table. She missed her opportunity to avoid capital punishment and still hasn't revealed the "real story" which will prove her innocence.

No one sits in jail awaiting trial quietly and refusing to speak to LE when they have provable evidence that will exonerate them. They don't refuse visitors for fear that they may slip up and say something to incriminate themselves. Their lawyers don't prohibit conversations between family and the defendant. They want visitors so they can get the truth out.

JB has pretty much said that KC is an idiot who can't be trusted to speak to anyone, lest she incriminate herself. He's fighting with Padilla over things KC said out loud with Tracy present.

She is not smart. If she was smart and clever she would never have been arrested in the first place. She's just another dumb-azz criminal. They are everywhere and the jails are full of them. The ONLY reason this case got media attention was the stunning announcement "toddler not reported missing for 31 days". I knew immediately she had been killed by a parent. She only had one. So, it was Mom. It was just a matter of waiting for the details.

 

[Mystic]

Pat Brown, criminal profiler, was on a rant about this mess!

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2009/07/criminal-profiling-duct-tape-damning-evidence-for-casey-anthony/

KC's victims grew from Caylee (who paid the ultimate price) to the state of Florida where budgets for various programs for needy children and elderly are being cut because of the economy. :furious:

I wholeheartedly agree. Due to the Sunshine Law we all have an excellent view of what's truly going on and see clearly the waste of money and time. I have a great respect for LE after seeing the work they have done in this case. I could go on and on about all the obstruction. No one other then KC did this, its that apparent.

 

[Tracey276]

I totally agree with you. If ever there was a case that was tried in the media, this is it. It would certainly seem, according to the mountain of evidence released, that KC is guilty beyond any, let alone reasonable, doubt. . Her demeanor, her attitude, her affect, all have contributed to the contempt with which she is viewed by the public. In this most unusual case, she has no one but herself to blame for that.

But I think that the SS laws in Florida have made LE's job easier, in that a plethora of investigatory material has been publicized and many people have formed opinions based upon that. Whether all this "stuff" actually makes it into a trial remains to be seen, but the harm has been done. Kinda like a judge telling a jury to ignore the witness' confession, once something is seen or heard, it's in the mind.

As far as the real forensic evidence, I am truly hoping they find her fingerprints on the duct tape. As far as I can see, there is lots of evidence linking the crime scene with the Hopespring house. However, I've said before, I think the single hair with the alleged "death band" and analysis of an odor that was over a month old, are not foolproof science. I do believe they can and will be vigorously challenged.

I have the sickening feeling no matter the outcome of her trial, KC intends to keep quiet about the truth. No witness to the crime, no confession, no one will ever know for sure what happened to little Caylee. And no one will ever know why it happened. I feel very sorry for the Anthonys, to have to live with that vagueness the rest of their lives. Then again, perhaps it's a mercy that she doesn't tell.

ITA with you Paula,

KC will NEVER speak the truth here EVER. She will continue to say she is innocent no matter what. We will see her appealing her conviction for as many years as the law will allow her too, as well. She will take this to her grave, I'm sure.

That is very sad for everyone involved. I couldn't agree more with Pat Brown too. We should have defense attorneys to defend our justice system and the truth, not guilty criminals. I know some will say, well how do we know who the guilty are and who the innocent are. Well, if all sides were working to find the truth and not twist the evidence to fit our side, it could work. After all, isn't that truly what the courts were set up to do? Find the truth? It doesn't seem to work that way though, does it?

 

[Tuba]

In all the continuing coverage of the case, I think the conclusion DotsEyes makes about the defense fear and the prisoner's fear of slipping up with some statement usable against her is so important. It is given little attention but maybe I will campaign on the call-in shows and draw notice to it.

In December, Jose B. made clear it hit him hard that he had been lied to, wholesale. On At Large that month, he called his client a liar for the first time and in no uncertain terms. The only solution seemed to be muffling this family. But the Anthonys use legal protection as an excuse for the lack of visits. There is a great deal more behind this distancing. There is an estrangement, which is probably mutual or may be a refusal from the prisoner to see them. She wanted to walk away and to hang up during the jail visits and when she was on bail, she avoided them and all conversations with them that remotely touched on the crime, spending her time at the law office. Her lies fall to the ground under their (very natural) pressure.

 

[kageykaren]

In all the continuing coverage of the case, I think the conclusion DotsEyes makes about the defense fear and the prisoner's fear of slipping up with some statement usable against her is so important. It is given little attention but maybe I will campaign on the call-in shows and draw notice to it.

In December, Jose B. made clear it hit him hard that he had been lied to, wholesale. On At Large that month, he called his client a liar for the first time and in no uncertain terms. The only solution seemed to be muffling this family. But the Anthonys use legal protection as an excuse for the lack of visits. There is a great deal more behind this distancing. There is an estrangement, which is probably mutual or may be a refusal from the prisoner to see them. She wanted to walk away and to hang up during the jail visits and when she was on bail, she avoided them and all conversations with them that remotely touched on the crime, spending her time at the law office. Her lies fall to the ground under their (very natural) pressure.

We are a bit in tune with each other pertaining to the slow unfolding of KC & family distancing themselves from one another. I feel we have been privy to many small statements by those connected to KC since her current incarceration. For me the big one biggest hint given from KC to JB was her direct statement of her parents disregarding her burial wishes for Caylee. It appeared to me that was the big divide towards estrangement, no matter how loud CA pleaded for a private visit after the memorial. It appears to me that KC and parents are on two separate paths to save whats left of their own lives.

 

[tweety933]

Before Caylee was found dead, I doubted whether there was enough evidence to convict of 1st degree premeditated murder, or 1st degree felony murder (the decomposing hair could've been from an accident)....But now that the duct tape has been found, I have no doubt her death was an intentional killing! I wonder what of the evidence the state had prior to Caylee being found, convinced them to charge HER with premeditated murder (in October wasn't it)?

 

[marspiter]

Before Caylee was found dead, I doubted whether there was enough evidence to convict of 1st degree premeditated murder, or 1st degree felony murder (the decomposing hair could've been from an accident)....But now that the duct tape has been found, I have no doubt her death was an intentional killing! I wonder what of the evidence the state had prior to Caylee being found, convinced them to charge HER with premeditated murder (in October wasn't it)?

I completely agree the evidence released before the body was found and after really swayed my opinion of whether the prosecution had the evidence for the charge. I still thought she did it, just questioned the evidence they had to prove it in the beginning.

I think the bolded comment above is the million dollar question. Did they have something that has yet to be released? I'm banking they have something that either has yet to be released by FBI or hasn't been released by OCSO/SA yet. To me that's the only way to explain the charges before the body was found.

 

[sharpar]

Without a shadow of a doubt . No one will be more surprised than the prisioner and
her team.
KC isnt smart and for a CSI fan incredibly stupid - she has the gift of gab but not any ability to see how things look, sound or feel to other people.
It was so obvious to LE she was lying and she was involved and guilty of the crime.

 

[Brini]

We are a bit in tune with each other pertaining to the slow unfolding of KC & family distancing themselves from one another. I feel we have been privy to many small statements by those connected to KC since her current incarceration. For me the big one biggest hint given from KC to JB was her direct statement of her parents disregarding her burial wishes for Caylee. It appeared to me that was the big divide towards estrangement, no matter how loud CA pleaded for a private visit after the memorial. It appears to me that KC and parents are on two separate paths to save whats left of their own lives.

Why would a woman who threw away her baby in a trash bag care about burial arrangements?

 

[MissJames]

Without a shadow of a doubt . No one will be more surprised than the prisioner and
her team.
KC isnt smart and for a CSI fan incredibly stupid - she has the gift of gab but not any ability to see how things look, sound or feel to other people.
It was so obvious to LE she was lying and she was involved and guilty of the crime.

KC could not possibly have sat quietly through an hour of CSI .She was talking or texting away. Her loss.She might have learned a few things had she actually watched. Instead she left plenty of evidence behind for a conviction IMO.

 

[kageykaren]

Why would a woman who threw away her baby in a trash bag care about burial arrangements?

Brini, you know how those to A women like to play, "Who's on first!", the other takes their bat and ball home, waiting for the next opportunity to hit a grand slam, followed by a fast pitch by the one who has the ball, Umpire attorneys cry foul ball and batterer walks to first. I'm goofey because it is 102 degrees in my home and not much cooler outside. Brini I'm just silly sluething funning ya! "Passive aggressive posturing is my serious answer" I really miss funny pics here on a day like today!

 

[Just Jayla]

In all the continuing coverage of the case, I think the conclusion DotsEyes makes about the defense fear and the prisoner's fear of slipping up with some statement usable against her is so important. It is given little attention but maybe I will campaign on the call-in shows and draw notice to it.

In December, Jose B. made clear it hit him hard that he had been lied to, wholesale. On At Large that month, he called his client a liar for the first time and in no uncertain terms. The only solution seemed to be muffling this family. But the Anthonys use legal protection as an excuse for the lack of visits. There is a great deal more behind this distancing. There is an estrangement, which is probably mutual or may be a refusal from the prisoner to see them. She wanted to walk away and to hang up during the jail visits and when she was on bail, she avoided them and all conversations with them that remotely touched on the crime, spending her time at the law office. Her lies fall to the ground under their (very natural) pressure.

I think the prisoner stopped the contact, in conjunction with her attorney-She was clearly very mad in July when her parents could not "get her out." Now that she has gone back for good, she has had time to stew about the fact that CA called police to begin with. And she is stuck there because of her mother.
The nuances of her attitude hit people like a ton of bricks when this all comes together-She is narcissistic and remorseless. She'll be convicted on murder 1.

Edit to gear more toward topic-LE's evidence combined with character witnesses for the state will seal the deal, all wrapped with the bow of KC's great attitude, as described above.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

MY BOLD

Is it true they definitively ruled out KC's prints? I thought only the other As, but I could've missed that on a doc dump. I, too, believe they knew Caylee was dead, but I still don't think they knew it as early as last June or July. I think they started to think so when they smelled the odor in the car, and as evidence mounted they came to believe, if not accept, that she was really gone. I still think that if any of the Anthonys had been involved in the disposal of the remains, they would have placed them far away from home base, possibly even framing somebody (Jesse? Ricardo?) to allay suspiciouns from KC. They had freedom of movement to bury or otherwise hide little Caylee where nobody would discover her. It just doesn't make good sense to dump her down the street.

No it doesn't make good sense but none of what the A's have done have made "good sense" JMO. IIRC there was way back when KC was first let out of jail and was on house arrest and JB had requested that her ankle monitor be removed or turned off or something so KC could do some "investigating" on her own, "revisit some familiar places" and that was shot down immediately, so, KC's only choice was to tell somone else where Caylee was, to move Caylee from so "Close to home". With the media and protesters and a webcam on the house 24/7 and all over CA and GA, they were unable to move Caylee anywhere else. There were also those pesky cameras that were installed on the light poles that covered the front and back yard. Caylee was put where she was by someone and there might have been a plan at a later date to move Caylee but the chance to do that never presented itself.
CA/GA refused to give Searchers any article that belonged to Caylee for a reason. One has to ask what would the logical reason be? Why would a grieving grandmother joke about giving LE one of the dog's toothbrushes instead of Caylee's? Why not submit to a polygraph? I don't think they, the A's had the forthought to frame someone else as they were way too busy just cleaning up after themselves. Of course this is all just a theory and an opinion.

 

[countzero]

KC could not possibly have sat quietly through an hour of CSI .She was talking or texting away. Her loss.She might have learned a few things had she actually watched. Instead she left plenty of evidence behind for a conviction IMO.

Great minds think alike. I have said this for months and most recently the other day on the blackjack thread. I think it was that thread. :crazy: I sometimes have to go look at the top to see where I am posting.

I spent some extra time earlier today reviewing videos looking for the one where CA spouted off that she had "people" watching the "people" who took Caylee. I think she was at a Publix's, not sure. This was before KC was charged in Oct. Somewhere in this timeframe, JB gave one of his non-famous pressers about how KC was innocent; yada, yada, yada speeches. This was also when DC was working for JB. I had to take a break and a nap from listening to CA torture I tell ya.

This case was like a child's puzzle with 10 pieces that work together and fit at that time. Now we have moved on to the big adult puzzle with 10K pieces and we have been given, oh say around 4K of the pieces. We have done well collectively by putting the outer pieces all together and we are now filling in. Going from the outer edge to the inner's of it all. By the time the trial actually begins, all that will be left is that one piece which the SA will give us.

So ya, the SA has the evidence to convict KC and hopefully adding the rest of the A compound members too.

 

[okiedokietoo]

Defense has many rights. but that is not the strategy.
Often times when a case takes too long the guilty walk.
TIME is only on KCs side not the prosecutors.
And her team is dragging their feet. :furious:

that's what I said