Robert Durst Connection?

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I saw that and thought it was very interesting that Black and his brother were from NY & in contracting business somehow connected to Durst. And Durst dressed up like a woman during that time which caused suspicion that he did so to avoid Black recognizing him. They said the little old woman rarely came outside and wasn't seen often. Wasn't he living directly across the street from Morris Black? Also mentioned was how precisely Black's remains were chopped up and all were found except the head. They suspect he went back to the bay to retrieve the head. Dude's a bonafide psychpath, IMO.

He also seems to enjoy toying with people like LISK. He fits my profile of lisk: well off and carries large sums of $ on his person to fly under the radar, more than one residence, (one where he stored the bodies of GB4 until he disposed of them), travels, married (of convenience? he gave his wife POA so she would have access to his $ in case he was arrested), over 40 yrs old, HUGE ego. Also access to burlap from construction, landscaping, fine art, possible shellfish.

I wouldn't rule him out yet but that's, JMO. Wish I had DVR'd that episode as I watched in the middle of the night while awake with insomnia so I 'bit foggy'. I wonder if Amanda would recognize his voice after all this time. Hopefully the FBI will check out his movements during the time these women disappeared. The only locations I recall mentioned were NY, NJ, PA, LA, TX & CA.

All MOO

I don't believe the connection yet. I think that money just came from him living there and helping Morris out because Morris knew who he was and that ultimately led to him killing morris.
I need more proof than one PI would could just be trying to make a name.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I don't believe the connection yet. I think that money just came from him living there and helping Morris out because Morris knew who he was and that ultimately led to him killing morris.
I need more proof than one PI would could just be trying to make a name.

Good morning Scarlett!
I'm not ready to jump on the badwagon about Durst until we know more about his movements. I've been checking dates of his whereabouts and all I can find re the time period that the GB4 disappeared so far is that he bought 2 town houses in Harlem in 2007 and sold them at a profit in 2011. I think he was released from prison in TX in 2006, IIRC so he was around NY during the time our GB4 disappeared. The only other thing that I noticed is that Megan and Melissa have light hair like Kathy and Amber and Maureen have dark hair like Sue. Small resemblence there.

I began sleuthing JE in the beginning of this case, (the rich NY pedo, friends with a certain Prince who's been in the news lately due to accusations) because of my profile. I finally moved on from him because he prefers underaged girls. I do beleive that RD is a sadist just from the info I've read so far, many of us have speculated LISK is a sadist. Big Money Talks too! MOO

 

[LikeAHunter]

Check this out: I did some googling of the PI that was on Vanity Fair Confidential and she did a reddit AMA in which she specifically says that she thinks Durst used Long Island as a dumping ground for his victims!!

BobbiBacha 4 points 2 days ago
I think that the victims - one of the dumping grounds might be Long Island. They've been finding lots of body parts there. Most of them have been popping up after Durst got out of prison. And while Durst was in prison, it was well-documented that his new wife was talking to him on many telephones, tape recorded calls, and he was asking her and an attorney friend of his to "empty out" many of his properties.
And sell them.
I believe that whatever was in those properties might've been either moved to a warehouse or dumped.
And she happens to live on Long Island.
I believe he likes to kill near water. He likes to live on areas near water, like New York, or Florida, or Galveston - coastal areas. Because remember, the thing that damages evidence more than ANYTHING - fire and water. Water is the most destructive thing on a human body after it dies. It really does degrade evidence.
bull*****-careers 2 points 1 day ago
Do you think he could be the long island serial killer?
BobbiBacha 3 points 1 day ago
I think that the possibility of a Durst having connections to many of the body parts found in ling Island should be a huge consideration for police.

Source: http://i.***********/r/IAmA/comments/2zqwf2/i_am_bobbi_bacha_the_private_investigator_who/

And in an interview, she says:

To get closer to the truth, investigators should look to Manorville, Long Island, where I think Durst dumped his unnamed victims.

Source: http://crimefeed.com/2015/03/dont-k...s-black-private-investigator-shares-theories/

I can't even tell you all how giddy I was to find her talking about this! What better validation for my crazy theory! ;-)

And in all seriousness, Bobbi Bacha is certainly a quirky character, but if you look into her, you'll find that she is an established and respected PI.

Anyone want to take on the task of a timeline? I really wish I could but unfortunately life circumstances will prevent me from doing so until this weekend. I did do some quick looking and I believe (though I'm not positive) that the only victim Durst absolutely can not be linked to is Jessica Taylor, because he was in prison awaiting trial when she went missing. Again, I could be wrong. I just haven't had the time to compare his prison timeline to the LI victims timeline...

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Check this out: I did some googling of the PI that was on Vanity Fair Confidential and she did a reddit AMA in which she specifically says that she thinks Durst used Long Island as a dumping ground for his victims!!



Source: http://i.***********/r/IAmA/comments/2zqwf2/i_am_bobbi_bacha_the_private_investigator_who/

And in an interview, she says:



Source: http://crimefeed.com/2015/03/dont-k...s-black-private-investigator-shares-theories/

I can't even tell you all how giddy I was to find her talking about this! What better validation for my crazy theory! ;-)

And in all seriousness, Bobbi Bacha is certainly a quirky character, but if you look into her, you'll find that she is an established and respected PI.

Anyone want to take on the task of a timeline? I really wish I could but unfortunately life circumstances will prevent me from doing so until this weekend. I did do some quick looking and I believe (though I'm not positive) that the only victim Durst absolutely can not be linked to is Jessica Taylor, because he was in prison awaiting trial when she went missing. Again, I could be wrong. I just haven't had the time to compare his prison timeline to the LI victims timeline...

Awesome find, LikeAHunter! Yes it does make one a bit giddy to have a respected PI agree with one's theory/profile! There is a timeline at this link but it is lacking in locations. I'll try and dig deeper for a better timeline.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-presents-robert-durst-the-bizarre-saga/

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Ok I am gathering some links to place here so we can posssibly come up with a timeline for RD so bear with me.

Rd's wiki page. snipped He was released again from custody on March 1, 2006 He was out of prison when the AC4 were murdered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Durst

RD was apparently computer literate. snipped There was nothing unusual about having a private mailbox or how Robert Durst’s packages looked from the outside, the UPS employees said. But he did have an odd habit: Durst’s iPad would travel separately from him on long journeys. He would arrive at the UPS store, put down his iPad on the counter and ask the staff to ship it to wherever in the country he was travelling.

“Always shipped overnight so it’d be there before he got there,” a staff member told the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/23/tracking-robert-durst-whats-he-still-hiding

This girl's disappearance sounds like Maureen's disappearance. snipped....Another student reported having seen Schulze at the bus station earlier that day eating some dried prunes she had purchased at a nearby local food store - ostensibly All Good Things. The student allegedly asked Schulze where she was going and she replied, "New York," but she missed her bus and was believed to have headed back to campus, according to Bowdish's investigation.

http://www.addisonindependent.com/2...t-and-middlebury-college-student-missing-1971

This made me laugh and also made me want to visit NOLA again. It wasn’t fava beans with a nice Chianti. But staffers say the dish easily rates a trademarked “BAM” cry of approval from Emeril.

http://nypost.com/2015/03/22/robert-durst-ate-final-meal-at-emerils-restaurant-before-bust/

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Every timeline I search for is lacking info so I'm going to post links to several so we can compare and insert events and dates. Hopefully it will assist in filling in the blanks.
As an aside, RD went on the lam from TX and was arrested in Bethlehem, PA for stealing a chicken salad sandwich. He served time in a NJ federal prison where he was released July 15, 2005. Interesting that 3 of the AC victims had lived in PA before moving to AC and 1 had lived in LI. I'm not saying there is a connection. Just thought it interesting because who knows what kind of demented games serial killers play with both victims and institutions who they feel have wronged in some way. Dr. Anthony Garcia drove from LA to Omaha, NE to get revenge on one Dr. and killed his son and housekeeper, then several years later drove from IN to NE to take revenge on another Dr by killing him and his wife and attempted to break into another Drs house the same day. (Thankfully she wasn't home) SK's brains aren't like everyone elses.

Anyway, please forgive me for posting so much today. I am trying very hard to kick my smoking habit and need to keep my hands and brain occupied.

Links to timelines:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat..._robert_durst_s_interactions_with_andrew.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/robert-durst-timeline-life-alleged-crimes/story?id=29668632

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2015/03/20/durst-robert-timeline-life-murder-arrest

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/robert-durst-sordid-timeline-events-gallery-1.2150992 Good slideshow here and slide 14 clears up my confusion of conflicting release dates.

 

[LikeAHunter]

Wow - great work, matilda! Thank you for taking the lead! I'm not able to dig in right now but I can't wait to see what you found later tonight!!

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Oh No problem LikeAHunter. The thing that intrigues me about RD is he is 'every guy, a loner, who hides in plain site' and he is cunning. He does crazy chit and thumbs his nose at LE while managing to escape major charges. The following link has the most detailed timeline that I've seen thus far. Some of the info is quite chilling.

http://altereddimensions.net/2015/life-disappearances-deaths-murders-robert-bob-durst

 

[Theforeigner]

Of interest:

Robert Durst wife Debrah Lee Charatan is listed at a Long Island address, a beach house.
So Robert Durst probably used that house too since they were married:


Debrah L Charatan in the U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2

Name: Debrah L Charatan
Birth Date: x Feb 1957
Address: Surfside Dr, Bridgehampton, NY, 11932

Residence Years: 1999 2000 2001 2002



http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/18/us/robert-durst-wife-debrah-lee-charatan/

Info from the link:

Debrah Lee Charatan and Robert Durst met in 1988 they married December 2000


"she stood by him even after he admitted killing a neighbor and chopping up the body."

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Of interest:

Robert Durst wife Debrah Lee Charatan is listed at a Long Island address, a beach house.
So Robert Durst probably used that house too since they were married:


Debrah L Charatan in the U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2

Name: Debrah L Charatan
Birth Date: x Feb 1957
Address: Surfside Dr, Bridgehampton, NY, 11932

Residence Years: 1999 2000 2001 2002



http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/18/us/robert-durst-wife-debrah-lee-charatan/


Debrah Lee Charatan and Robert Durst met in 1988 they married December 2000

From what I understand they have never lived together as husband and wife. My guess is the only reason they are married is to protect each other.

 

[imma]

263 Surfside Drive, Bridgehampton

Current owner July 15 Real Llc (AKA DURST/Charatan)C/O Yolanda Torres (Alias?)
$10,125,000 Resale 12/04/2009
B: 263 Surfside Drive Llc BA: N/A
S: July 15 Real Estate Llc SA: N/A

N/A Resale 09/24/2007
B: July 15 Real Estate Llc BA: N/A
S: Debrah Lee Charatan

http://i.imgur.com/taOBYAm.png?1

 

[imma]

263 Surfside Drive, Bridgehampton

Current owner July 15 Real Llc (AKA DURST/Charatan)C/O Yolanda Torres (Alias?)
$10,125,000 Resale 12/04/2009
B: 263 Surfside Drive Llc BA: N/A
S: July 15 Real Estate Llc SA: N/A

N/A Resale 09/24/2007
B: July 15 Real Estate Llc BA: N/A
S: Debrah Lee Charatan

http://i.imgur.com/taOBYAm.png?1

Yolanda Torres Overview of Yolanda Torres in Huntsville, TX

July 15 Real Estate, LLC filed as a Domestic Limited Liability Company (LLC) in the State of Texas filed on Monday, April 18, 2005. This corporation is approximately ten years old according to documents filed with Texas Secretary of State. July 15 Real Estate, LLC also lists Robert Durst as Governing Person.

http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Huntsville/yolanda-m-torres/36911479.aspx

Holy cow.
Ms. Torres =**Please post for distribution**
On January 1, 2003, I left Habern, O'Neil & Buckley, L.L.P. and started
my own practice in Huntsville, Texas. My new contact information is:
Yolanda Torres, P.O. Box 515, Huntsville, Texas 77342-0515, (p)
936-291-7054; (f) 936-293-8303; (cell) 936-662-7923.

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10237

EDIT: Current owner of 263 Surfside Dr. Simeon Derenshteyn (unknown)
http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-Southampton/99212/Sleek-Modern-Home-Sells-For-275-Million-In-Bridgehampton

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Holy Cow is right Imma! So RD's wife uses an alias also. I was reading an article about her yesterday and the writer said that when she came to RD's trial that she 'looked like a prostitute from the Seawall'. IMO, the wife is RD's 'fixer'.

The following link talks about RD's shenanigans at the seawall. He called himself 'Roberta' and his AA friend would get crack cocaine for RD so that he could bait men to take to his 'trick house'. Sounds like anything goes with RD!

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/200204/killer-in-the-blue-dress?currentPage=1

He was getting old," Frankie said, "and even though he had money, he couldn't get no hormones. I almost sold him some, but I was getting into a situation where I was hoarding 'em because I didn't want to run out, because you go through menopause.…He tried to get 'em from a doctor." To do so, however, would have required disclosing his true name at a time when Durst had crafted an elaborate alter ego. By day Robert Durst rode the No. 6 with Frankie to the latter's apartment near 53rd and P 1/2—offering her money, she told me, if she would buy crack for him and help him lure young men. At night Roberta and Frankie would troll the Seawall. The svelte young African-American would approach a car window while the elder cross-dresser lingered nearby. The crack, she said, was Durst's bait—along with cash, if that proved necessary—to lure young men back to his "trick house" at 2213 Avenue K.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Thanks, The foreigner and imma for researching addresses. That's not my forte in research.

 

[imma]

Holy Cow is right Imma! So RD's wife uses an alias also. I was reading an article about her yesterday and the writer said that when she came to RD's trial that she 'looked like a prostitute from the Seawall'. IMO, the wife is RD's 'fixer'.

The following link talks about RD's shenanigans at the seawall. He called himself 'Roberta' and his AA friend would get crack cocaine for RD so that he could bait men to take to his 'trick house'. Sounds like anything goes with RD!

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/200204/killer-in-the-blue-dress?currentPage=1

He was getting old," Frankie said, "and even though he had money, he couldn't get no hormones. I almost sold him some, but I was getting into a situation where I was hoarding 'em because I didn't want to run out, because you go through menopause.…He tried to get 'em from a doctor." To do so, however, would have required disclosing his true name at a time when Durst had crafted an elaborate alter ego. By day Robert Durst rode the No. 6 with Frankie to the latter's apartment near 53rd and P 1/2—offering her money, she told me, if she would buy crack for him and help him lure young men. At night Roberta and Frankie would troll the Seawall. The svelte young African-American would approach a car window while the elder cross-dresser lingered nearby. The crack, she said, was Durst's bait—along with cash, if that proved necessary—to lure young men back to his "trick house" at 2213 Avenue K.

Yes, I posted the GQ article on another thread yesterday. ROBERTA!

Yolando Torres is a real attorney in TX and not DLC alias. Not to say that DLC doesn't use different names. Both she and Durst have a tangled web of various LLCs and alias'. Torres seems to be connected to several different LLCs that Durst/Charatan are connected to. I find it very interesting that Torres left a law firm opened up her own practice in 2003. How is she involved? Was she paid off for some reason?

As for DLC, I knew her back in the 80s-90s. She's a real piece of work.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

LOL! I probably swiped your link from RD thread upstairs!

Yep, DLC sure sounds like a piece of work. I think the marriage is strictly a business arrangement. I suspect she is the one who helps things go away for RD, maybe knows a guy who knows a guy who needs money who is exploited to do immoral things.... JMO

Interesting that RD is a cross dresser and the shoes were missing on the AC4 and IIRC the GB4 weren't wearing any clothes. Wonder if he was playing dress up with their belongings? He is a small man so I am curious if that's why the GB4 victims were all small. I'm not sure if the AC4 were of small stature. I think RD goes both ways.

Who knows if he is involved in these murders but if so maybe he left some type of clues and that is what I am searching for. Clues and dates that match showing he was available to commit these horrible murders. He left a newspaper with the address label of the boarding house in one of the bags with Morris Black's remains, and it sure appears that was his handwriting on the note to LE in CA.
So I am hoping the burlap can possibly be traced to the organic farm that the Black brothers for and the Hurst Corp held interest in. Or maybe DNA from those creepy 'time out dolls' left at the girls' site because he returned to the dump site of Black's remains.

It's so difficult to track his movements because of all his alias'! MOO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

LOL! I probably swiped your link from RD thread upstairs!

Yep, DLC sure sounds like a piece of work. I think the marriage is strictly a business arrangement. I suspect she is the one who helps things go away for RD, maybe knows a guy who knows a guy who needs money who is exploited to do immoral things.... JMO

Interesting that RD is a cross dresser and the shoes were missing on the AC4 and IIRC the GB4 weren't wearing any clothes. Wonder if he was playing dress up with their belongings? He is a small man so I am curious if that's why the GB4 victims were all small. I'm not sure if the AC4 were of small stature. I think RD goes both ways.

Who knows if he is involved in these murders but if so maybe he left some type of clues and that is what I am searching for. Clues and dates that match showing he was available to commit these horrible murders. He left a newspaper with the address label of the boarding house in one of the bags with Morris Black's remains, and it sure appears that was his handwriting on the note to LE in CA.
So I am hoping the burlap can possibly be traced to the organic farm that the Black brothers for and the Hurst Corp held interest in. Or maybe DNA from those creepy 'time out dolls' left at the girls' site because he returned to the dump site of Black's remains.

It's so difficult to track his movements because of all his alias'! MOO

He is not a cross dresser he dresses like that for disguise. That is not the same thing. And I don't believe that he will be connected to any of the other big crimes in this country. It would be nice so that there is closure but at this point, I think that he kills victims that get in his way in his life.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Hi Scarlett, I respect your opinion but I personally feel it would be an injustice to the victims not to look for coinciding dates and similarities. Especially for the dismembered victims. Besides, he's the only person in MSM right now that we can sleuth and I am kicking a nicotine habit and need to keep my hands and brain occupied.

 

[marble]

Personal opinion here:
I don't think Durst is connected to the Atlantic City 4 or the female Gilgo Beach/Long Island area victims who worked as escorts.

I do think it's quite possible he is responsible for other victims who have been discussed here in relation to the Long Island Serial Killer.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?134803-Unclassified-Victims-**MERGED**/page8

In particular, I wonder if Sugar Bear, "The Asian Male", the two unidentified men in bathing suits or striped jockeys (forgive me, I can't find the links to these two victims to clarify) and/or Rashawn Brazell ( https://projectnewera.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/unsolved-murder-rashawn-brazell/ ) had the misfortune to meet up with him.

more:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Reports-about-Long-Island-Human-Remains-Found

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Personal opinion here:
I don't think Durst is connected to the Atlantic City 4 or the female Gilgo Beach/Long Island area victims who worked as escorts.

I do think it's quite possible he is responsible for other victims who have been discussed here in relation to the Long Island Serial Killer.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?134803-Unclassified-Victims-**MERGED**/page8

In particular, I wonder if Sugar Bear, "The Asian Male", the two unidentified men in bathing suits or striped jockeys (forgive me, I can't find the links to these two victims to clarify) and/or Rashawn Brazell ( https://projectnewera.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/unsolved-murder-rashawn-brazell/ ) had the misfortune to meet up with him.

more:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Reports-about-Long-Island-Human-Remains-Found

I tend to agree with you marble about the AC4 and GB4. The sooner we can rule him out as a suspect for the dismembered victims, the sooner we can move on.

RD was in jail from 11-30-01 thru 11-11-03 while awaiting trial in TX so we can rule out any victims who was last seen during that time.

This rules out Jessica Taylor as a possible victim because she was last seen sometime from 7-18/7-21-03

However, Manorville jane Doe's 1st remains were found 11-19-00. She had been dead several weeks when her remains were found. She had been dismembered and stuffed in plastic bags. Her head, hands and right foot were missing. Her head was found on the beach in 2011. similar disposal method to Morris Black. MOO

I too am interested in the males. Thanks for the link to Rashawn's case. I'm going out of town but will resume searching dates and disposal methods week after next when I return. Hopefully, slowly but surely we can rule out RD for some of the dismembered bodies on LI.

Peace!