Ron C. # 11

[harleysnana]

Well if the window is unlocked there is no forced entry, just open the window and go in. There are 3 big windows inside of that screened in porch

I just called my local police department and asked an officer what they consider forced entry he
said that “if there are signs of a break in” i.e. “broken windows, broken door frames, etc.”
I also asked if lock bumping would show as a forced entry and he said “ No it wouldn’t because
your actually hitting the key and turning the knob and not doing any damage to the actual door
knob itself”. "Any damage would be to the key".

 

[Malesherbes]

I just called my local police department and asked an officer what they consider forced entry he
said that “if there are signs of a break in” i.e. “broken windows, broken door frames, etc.”
I also asked if lock bumping would show as a forced entry and he said “ No it wouldn’t because
your actually hitting the key and turning the knob and not doing any damage to the actual door
knob itself”. "Any damage would be to the key itself".

Ron said the lock HAD to have been picked-

LE don't agree at all.

 

[harleysnana]

Ron said the lock HAD to have been picked-

LE don't agree at all.

Is there a link that says the lock was not picked?
I know LE said no forced entry but a picked lock is NOT forced entry.
Forced entry is determined if there is ANY damage done to the door...
windows... etc.

LE also said in the Elizabeth Smart case that there was no forced entry
and they guy actually climbed into the window.
Their reason was that there was NO damage to the window!
I’m not going to keep going over this.
You think what you do and I'll think what I do and one day I hope the truth
comes out and we can see what really happened!
Thanks!

 

[Dee10]

Ron said the lock HAD to have been picked-

LE don't agree at all.

Yes, it was Maria or Marla (something like that) in the NG video showing the doors, explaining the lock sticks. TJ Hart's personal thoughts are it was just after this very show aired that LE came & removed the door. He is theorizing that LE saw something in this video and was the catalyst, perhaps were the lock sticks it may not be able to be bumped and that is why they took the whole door for testing. Which would counter-act Ron's lock-bumping.

 

[Malesherbes]

Is there a link that says the lock was not picked?
I know LE said no forced entry but a picked lock is NOT forced entry.
Forced entry is determined if there is ANY damage done to the door...
windows... etc.

LE also said in the Elizabeth Smart case that there was no forced entry
and they guy actually climbed into the window.
Their reason was that there was NO damage to the window!
I’m not going to keep going over this.
You think what you do and I'll think what I do and one day I hope the truth
comes out and we can see what really happened!
Thanks!

Picked- means forced entry-

LE said no forces entry- for sure thats on the link thread.

jmo

 

[Dee10]

I forgot to post the link for TJ's comments. Haleigh Cummings Update - Radio Show (45 Minutes)
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/08/19/Haleigh-Cummings-Update

 

[cajun]

I just called my local police department and asked an officer what they consider forced entry he
said that “if there are signs of a break in” i.e. “broken windows, broken door frames, etc.”
I also asked if lock bumping would show as a forced entry and he said “ No it wouldn’t because
your actually hitting the key and turning the knob and not doing any damage to the actual door
knob itself”. "Any damage would be to the key".

Exactly..

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I think that the child needs a court appointed guardian to look out for his best interests, not his mother's, not his dad's, not his stepmommy's, but his.

Sometimes it seems as if Jr is lost in all this. MOO

 

[Busylady]

The didnt take the inside door that would of been lock bumped, they took the screen door.

 

[Dee10]

The didnt take the inside door that would of been lock bumped, they took the screen door.

Not according to TJ. Do you have a link for yours?

 

[nomoresorrow]

Is there a link that says the lock was not picked?
I know LE said no forced entry but a picked lock is NOT forced entry.
Forced entry is determined if there is ANY damage done to the door...
windows... etc.

LE also said in the Elizabeth Smart case that there was no forced entry
and they guy actually climbed into the window.
Their reason was that there was NO damage to the window!
I’m not going to keep going over this.
You think what you do and I'll think what I do and one day I hope the truth
comes out and we can see what really happened!
Thanks!

Whether picked or bumped, it doesn't matter, it still leaves evidence and is still considered forced entry by LE;

Key Bumping: Forensic Evidence

The act of key bumping basically slams the key against the bottom pins to allow for kinetic energy to be transferred from the key to the top pins. Because they are immobile and absorb the kinetic energy, this causes considerable damage to the bottom pins in the form of large dents and scratches.
Bumping is rarely 100% successful, either because bottom pins are bumped above shear line, or top pins are not bumped high enough. When this happens the tension applied will misfire, causing one or more top pins to bind. This causes light shearing against the bottom of the top pins.

More on key-bumping here & pictures showing forensic evidence of key-bumping;
http://www.lockpickingforensics.com/bumping.php

Lock-picking: Forensic Evidence

The act of using a pick tool is invasive, and we expect the stronger material of the pick tool to cause marks on the softer brass or nickel-silver of the lock components. In this photo, we see scratches where the pick tool was used to lift the pin. These appear to be single-pin picking marks due to their shape and consistency.
The marks left by an attacker are in many ways indicative of their skill level. If the attacker is an amateur, extreme force on both tension and pick tools are used leaving extremely deep and plentiful pick marks. The extreme tension causes pins to bind against plug and require more force to be lifted.
Despite skill, similar forensic evidence is still found even when a very skilled attacker uses extremely light tension and picking force to try to reduce forensic evidence.

More Lock-picking information here & pictures showing forensic evidence of lock-picking;
http://www.lockpickingforensics.com/lockpicking.php

 

[PorcineGranny]

This doesn't seem difficult to understand, in my experience and in my opinion, LE is saying in definite terms that no one broke into the mobile home. No stranger abduction. That is why they want Misty to come back and clear her testimony of that night up. Now, to those that say she knows nothing, just common sense tells me she knows something and the fact that Teresa, GrmS are standing so strong for her, tells me its something major. And also, the fact that Teresa won't take her to LE and make sure she talks is another red flag. The Cummings are providing shelter for her and feeding her. There has to be something in this for them. I'm agreeing with Malesherbes and its all my opinion.

 

[Busylady]

Investigators have told Marie Griffis that they have no clues. They have done several procedure searches of areas that they felt needed to be covered. They also recently went back to the house where Haleigh disappeared from and removed the screen door for evidence.
(from a blog that TJ Hart participates on weekly in talk show but not sure we can link)

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- A sheriff's deputy arrived at the home of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings and removed the back door -- the same door that was found propped open the night the girl disappeared.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18909733/detail.html

Remember it was the screen door propped open not the inside door. Also the photos show the screen door removed.

It was also discussed in great detail here when they took the door, so you might find some links for more articles that have since been cached by doing a search of the threads.

Not according to TJ. Do you have a link for yours?

 

[Malesherbes]

Investigators have told Marie Griffis that they have no clues. They have done several procedure searches of areas that they felt needed to be covered. They also recently went back to the house where Haleigh disappeared from and removed the screen door for evidence.
(from a blog that TJ Hart participates on weekly in talk show but not sure we can link)

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- A sheriff's deputy arrived at the home of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings and removed the back door -- the same door that was found propped open the night the girl disappeared.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18909733/detail.html

Remember it was the screen door propped open not the inside door. Also the photos show the screen door removed.

It was also discussed in great detail here when they took the door, so you might find some links for more articles that have since been cached by doing a search of the threads.

Ok, but the inside door would have had to been propped open to see that the outside door was propped.

 

[Busylady]

The inside door was open about 6 inches from LE stated - it was not propped open.

Ok, but the inside door would have had to been propped open to see that the outside door was propped.

 

[Malesherbes]

The inside door was open about 6 inches from LE stated - it was not propped open.

6 inches is not enough to see the outside door is open with a brick at first glance-

jmo

 

[Busylady]

The Times-Union also reported that on Wednesday, a screen door that had been propped open at the mobile home on the night Haleigh vanished was removed by detectives and taken by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for processing.
http://www.gainesvillemoms.com/article/20090313/ARTICLES/903131008

 

[texasmommy39]

Sometimes it seems as if Jr is lost in all this. MOO

The truth is he has not been lost nor forgotten and neither is HaLeigh.

 

[Malesherbes]

The Times-Union also reported that on Wednesday, a screen door that had been propped open at the mobile home on the night Haleigh vanished was removed by detectives and taken by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for processing.
http://www.gainesvillemoms.com/article/20090313/ARTICLES/903131008

So they must have processed the door, and that are confident saying there was no forced entry.

 

[Busylady]

No forced entry means no damage to the property, the screen door would not of been locked, if the main door was lock bumped there would be no damage. LE did not take the outside door for further evaluation just the screen door.