Ron C. # 11

[cuppy199]

I agree, I think the toddler bed was staged, I dont think she went to sleep in there at all, sadly I don't even think she made it to bed that night-

jmo

Haleigh wasn't the only child in that house at the time.Probably one of the reason Jr was questioned by a professional. I would think that would be one of the questioned ask.JMO

 

[kiki the parrot]

But which could also be the reason for MCs later claims of "separate rooms," "separate beds," "separate movies, and dvd players," etc since this could all go toward explaining why Jr would have no recollection of having sissy w him at bedtime. JMO
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arrot:

 

[cuppy199]

We are suppose to believe Jr seen someone dressed in black that took his sissy but he never knew whether or not his sissy ever went to bed in the same room?

 

[Dee10]

Haleigh wasn't the only child in that house at the time.Probably one of the reason Jr was questioned by a professional. I would think that would be one of the questioned ask.JMO

Great point Cuppy, Jr. was questioned by a professional and likely video taped, as that standard procedure for young children. It is very possible this video could be part of the "physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities" that PCSO mentions. I bolded the "s" as it indicates more than one piece of evidence IMO.

 

[Dee10]

But which could also be the reason for MCs later claims of "separate rooms," "separate beds," "separate movies, and dvd players," etc since this could all go toward explaining why Jr would have no recollection of having sissy w him at bedtime. JMO
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arrot:

Does anyone know if there is a timeline of when Jr. was questioned & to compare when Misty changed her story in respect to the above? Now that would be interesting!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It makes sense that they did test the lock as what would be the point of removing the door? So what did the test show? So glad that lock was only a few months old and they probably only used an actual key (there's that word again lol) in that door a number of times. :bananalama:

They only removed the screendoor. I never saw in any photos where the lock was taken out for testing or ever heard mention of the lock being gone from the door. I think if they took the lock off and found nothing...they would still have it as evidence.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Great point Cuppy, Jr. was questioned by a professional and likely video taped, as that standard procedure for young children. It is very possible this video could be part of the "physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities" that PCSO mentions. I bolded the "s" as it indicates more than one piece of evidence IMO.

I would have to disagree the "s" means more than one piece of evidence. Misty said she did more than one thing that evening so it indicates "activities" instead of "activity".

 

[kiki the parrot]

Jr. was questioned by a professional and likely video taped, as that standard procedure for young children. It is very possible this video could be part of the "physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities" that PCSO mentions. I bolded the "s" as it indicates more than one piece of evidence IMO.

Does anyone know if there is a timeline of when Jr. was questioned & to compare when Misty changed her story in respect to the above? Now that would be interesting!

Hi Dee :wave: Agree, in a scenario involving another child potential witness, it seems obvious to me that some attempt could always be made to normalize or divert the child from anything which deviated from the norm--even to the extent of planting in the child's mind or creating for a child (who is, as we've discussed, highly suggestable) the impression that all is well, ie "sissy wants to watch a movie and sleep in the other bedroom," or "sissy already went to bed" etc. Just saying that a child can be manipulated if desired to have false memories which can then be recounted. That's where the experts come in! JMO

arrot:

 

[kiki the parrot]

We are suppose to believe Jr seen someone dressed in black that took his sissy but he never knew whether or not his sissy ever went to bed in the same room?

You can believe what you want, I am simply saying he may have been put to bed separately so as not to raise questions about his sister's whereabouts or her condition etc. If his memory of seeing sissy being carried out of the MH is accurate, we've still heard no report of Jr recollecting any movement, peep nor any other indication by him that she was still alive.


arrot:

 

[Dee10]

I would have to disagree the "s" means more than one piece of evidence. Misty said she did more than one thing that evening so it indicates "activities" instead of "activity".

Sorry, I am not following your post, to elborate I didn't add an "s' to activities I only bolded the "s" show emphize what PSCO said "activities" is correct. There could conceivably could be one piece of physical evidence that contradicts Misty's activities for the evening. Logically thinking though it is more likely there is more than one piece of evidence to contradict the various activities that Misty mentioned. Hopefully that is clearer.

 

[Dee10]

They only removed the screendoor. I never saw in any photos where the lock was taken out for testing or ever heard mention of the lock being gone from the door. I think if they took the lock off and found nothing...they would still have it as evidence.

I totally disagree, I will take TJ Hart's word that it was the inside door. Of course LE would test the lock to see IF it was "bumped" as Ron suggested! How would you know one way or the other IF they still had the lock or not for evidence? Remember it is not just PCSO involved it is also the FBI, give me a break. As I mentioned I am thankful it was a new; almost pristine lock as it should be very easy to tell & eliminate any possible previous tenant problems. This also could be just one of the reasons police say "At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger." Makes sense to me.

 

[elle1919]

I totally disagree, I will take TJ Hart's word that it was the inside door. Of course LE would test the lock to see IF it was "bumped" as Ron suggested! How would you know one way or the other IF they still had the lock or not for evidence? Remember it is not just PCSO involved it is also the FBI, give me a break. As I mentioned I am thankful it was a new; almost pristine lock as it should be very easy to tell & eliminate any possible previous tenant problems. This also could be just one of the reasons police say "At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger." Makes sense to me.

Confusing huh Dee:crazy: I also found an article where LE states that due to DNA evidence found inside the home they feel it is still possible that a stranger abducted Haleigh. So what does that mean?

 

[Malesherbes]

Confusing huh Dee:crazy: I also found an article where LE states that due to DNA evidence found inside the home they feel it is still possible that a stranger abducted Haleigh. So what does that mean?

Is it just coming from one article or multiple news sources?

 

[Busylady]

Media reports it was the screen door taken - in addition to the photos of the mobile home show the screen door missing not the other door. So I have to go with the multiple media sources and the photo indicating it was the screen door taken.

I would also think LE would of taken the toddler mattress that Haleigh was sleeping on as well as any blankets, sheets, pillow cases or toys in the beds for testing. It could be very possible that the toddler bed on the floor for the walk thru was JRs mattress from his bedroom so people could get a visual of where the mattress was on the floor.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

How old was Elizabeth Smart? Was she alone?

Elizabeth was 14 years old when she was taken. (Only 2 years younger than Misty was when she moved in with Ron !) Elizabeth was a teen in either her last year of middle school or first year of highschool. Haleigh was 5 when she was taken and in kindergarten. She was small enough that she slept in a toddler bed.

 

[Dee10]

Confusing huh Dee:crazy: I also found an article where LE states that due to DNA evidence found inside the home they feel it is still possible that a stranger abducted Haleigh. So what does that mean?

Well what I posted earlier PCSO states from their press release "At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger." Your (no direct) quote from a reporter's LE interpretation of says it is possible.

Definition Time:

Minimized - To reduce to the smallest possible amount, extent, size, or degree.
Possible - Capable of happening, existing, or being true without contradicting proven facts, laws, or circumstances.

You asked what does that mean; you can draw your own conclusion. :waitasec:

 

[cajun]

Media reports it was the screen door taken - in addition to the photos of the mobile home show the screen door missing not the other door. So I have to go with the multiple media sources and the photo indicating it was the screen door taken.

I would also think LE would of taken the toddler mattress that Haleigh was sleeping on as well as any blankets, sheets, pillow cases or toys in the beds for testing. It could be very possible that the toddler bed on the floor for the walk thru was JRs mattress from his bedroom so people could get a visual of where the mattress was on the floor.

The screen door still has not been replaced.

 

[Animal04216]

Take a moment to read Enough with the rudeness - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[cuppy199]

Thanks Animal it never hurts to be reminded from time to time

 

[MADJGNLAW]

They only removed the screendoor. I never saw in any photos where the lock was taken out for testing or ever heard mention of the lock being gone from the door. I think if they took the lock off and found nothing...they would still have it as evidence.

:waitasec: You just made me think of something. I had asked this regarding the van and why it was turned back over and was told that it had to be even if something was found but could not be connected to the crime.
So, my question is this. If LE has the door in possession and other that means they do have something connected to the crime. Now, what type of crime? This case is so puzzling.
I just wish Haleigh would be found already, this is just heart breaking for this child to be lost out there.