Ron C. # 12

[curvecuti]

Good question! I guess because way back in the beginning when asked about J, he said that there was a possibility that J was his. Maybe that doesn't count? Wonder why this Awesome, Responsible dad doesn't/wouldn't find out if J was his... if he even thought that there was a teeny tiny possibility that he is?

(1) maybe not as wonderful as some believe?

(2) doesn't want to pay child support?

(3) doesn't give a chit?

(4) J doesn't need a dad?

(5) J doesn't need food and roof over his head?

(6) IDK, I have often wondered how some fail to miss and/or excuse this, as
this list could go on and on, when the fact is that Ron himself said that there was a possibility that J was his. Do some think that he is lying about that..or that it's just ok?

It doesn't matter if RC "thinks" he "might" be his father, until a DNA test is done the question of support is moot! It's not like ROn is in hiding, if Amber & family want support, there should be no problem getting him served.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Well, the babies are here, they exist. Sometimes children are not planned, but they are all blessings in my eyes. Apparently God meant for them to grace this earth.

Sticking them in daycare is not always an option.... sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. If Crystal was forking out $100+ a week to pay for childcare for her baby, no doubt people would fuss about that too. As long as she is keeping her child support up to date, I don't see why it matters either way.

As this is the Ronald thread I will say that he is in good health. There is no reason why he cannot work. imo

bbm, you got that right. Do what you gotta do, take care of those children you bring into this world. Yes, God grants these Blessings. After all, he's provided for them in the biggest of ways. A land flowing with milk and honey. But the parents have got to go get it and put it into the mouths of their babes. The children aren't old enough, or held into account to provide for themselves, yet.

Ron's children were being taken care of, and still are. He took care of Haleigh, til someone changed the current living arrangements with Ron to where neither parent is responsible for Haleigh's support. :waitasec:

 

[lonetraveler]

You are right, it is an assumption on my part. A mother who can't be bothered to get out of bed for her child's Dr. appt's., continues to ause cocaine while pregnant, and doesn't pay support doesn't strike me as the kind of Mom out buying things for those children, but that is MOO.

You are right, it is your opinion. Do we know for sure that Ron wasn't lying right beside of her? He had driver's license, she didn't. He wasn't working regularly at all. We don't know, that's just it. We don't know. All we know is what other people have offered. This very young couple had no business having children that they could not take care of. They were both inadequate parents. I don't see how this is relevant in Haleigh disappearing. This just keeps going round and round with no end. Neither of these two need to raise children, period. And that is my opinion.

 

[atherella]

I noticed one of them was a red truck- interesting-

You don't say? A red truck? Care to point me to where it lists the color of the vehicles?

The way I read the "Marital Settlement Agreement" in paragraph 4, there is a:

1. 2000 Nissan Altima;

2. 1985 Dodge Ram Pickup truck; and

3. 1995 GMC Sierra Pickup truck.

May I ask exactly WHERE you are reading the color red? Or are you just assuming one is red? Link please.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/16/marital.settlement.agreement.pdf

 

[Pondering Mind]

You know poor little Jordan does not have one thing to do with this case. Amber refuses to have a DNA test done on Jordan. We do not know if Jordan is Rc's child. Amber stated she did not want child support. Amber does not even have custody of Jordan. If Jordan's great grandmother wants Jordan to recieve support she can petition the court, get a DNA test and RC, IF HE IS THE FATHER, will have a court order to pay, same as Crystal does.

That poor, poor baby is always drug out when anyone dares to say CS did not support her children, further proof to me that RC would be crucified if he did not pay. IMO.

No he doesn't, but it does have to do with Ron's character IMVHO. IF Ron really wanted to know if Jordan was his as any responsible father would, he could petition the court and Amber wouldn't have a choice, but HE hasn't done that, why??? AND child support is for the child, not Amber OR her mother...so in your mind that makes everything OK?! What a double standard imo, why would THEY have to petition the court for a DNA test anyway?! Ron is a grown man, yet you take all the owness off of him and put it on Amber or her mom? IF he is J's father, you give him a pass because THEY didn't petition the court? Wow, just wow! :waitasec: A father or a mother WHICHEVER the case may be should WANT to support his/her child. YES, Crystal should made more of an effort to pay something, whatever she had to do, but he!! as far as we know Ron hasn't even made an effort to find out if J is his...wth does that say about him?...I know that it doesn't matter to anyone but I'm shocked by the double standard that I've read in some of these posts ....each to their own I suppose..

ETA-bbm~don't know who you are refering to, but I resent what you appear to be implying by that remark...I for one have never and will never do any such thing, perhaps you would clarify who it is directed to..

 

[curvecuti]

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No he doesn't, but it does have to do with Ron's character IMVHO. IF Ron really wanted to know if Jordan was his as any responsible father would, he could petition the court and Amber wouldn't have a choice, but HE hasn't done that, why??? AND child support is for the child, not Amber OR her mother...so in your mind that makes everything OK?! What a double standard imo, why would THEY have to petition the court for a DNA test anyway?! Ron is a grown man, yet you take all the owness off of him and put it on Amber or her mom? IF he is J's father, you give him a pass because THEY didn't petition the court? Wow, just wow! :waitasec: A father or a mother WHICHEVER the case may be should WANT to support his/her child. YES, Crystal should made more of an effort to pay something, whatever she had to do, but he!! as far as we know Ron hasn't even made an effort to find out if J is his...wth does that say about him?...I know that it doesn't matter to anyone but I'm shocked by the double standard that I've read in some of these posts ....each to their own I suppose..

ETA-bbm~don't know who you are refering to, but I resent what you appear to be implying by that remark...I for one have never and will never do any such thing, perhaps you would clarify who it is directed to..

I am done arguing about Jordan, as I said before that poor child has NOTHING to do with this case. And BTW I'm not "implying" anything. If you go back and read the threads, when the question of CS and support come up, Jordan is brought up. It happens over and over and over. And I am done w/ the tit for tat.

 

[Pondering Mind]

It doesn't matter if RC "thinks" he "might" be his father, until a DNA test is done the question of support is moot! It's not like ROn is in hiding, if Amber & family want support, there should be no problem getting him served.

AGAIN, Where is Responsible Ron's role in this?! Who cares about support?! I am talking about being there for your child! So you are saying that if Amber nor her mother never want child support or anything else from Ron, then Ron is off the hook as far as being a father to his son (IF J is) in your opinion? Really? and you call that a good responsible father? J doesn't deserve any better than that? WHY? I give up, I really do...I'm just :banghead: for something that Thank God I will never understand. Have a good night...:waitasec:

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I will step up and say, more likely than not either she, or the grandmother bought stuff for the kids when they had visitation on the weekends. We know they bought food. If crystal had her own home to enjoy her weekends with, including electricity, water, phone, transportation and food, then she was supporting them on the weekends for sure as to have a place to exercise her visits.

What bothers me about the arrears child support more than anything, is the no attempt to pay any amounts, even small twenty dollar amounts along the way. Even if she couldn't pay court ordered child support, surely she could have made efforts to give the courts periodic small amounts. You can clean someones' house for fifty and up dollars a day to gain money. It's not fun work, you don't have to be educated, but it's honest money.

As an family court judge would point out, it doesn't matter if Crystal or her family members provide clothes and other things beyond child support. That is as it should be. What she is required to pay is court-ordered child support. One is legally required; the other is voluntary, although nothing more than any parent should do, since child support awards to ordinary people are never enough to raise children .

What interests me about Ron and Crystal is how civilly they behaved in the court hearing (the court report was linked on one of these thread.) They were polite. They said they didn't need a neutral site at which to drop off the kids. They didn't trash each other. Certainly, both of them wanted to have custody, but the hearing officer commended both of them for their honesty about things that were difficult to talk about. And even today, we don't hear a lot of trash talk between the families.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I am done arguing about Jordan, as I said before that poor child has NOTHING to do with this case. And BTW I'm not "implying" anything. If you go back and read the threads, when the question of CS and support come up, Jordan is brought up. It happens over and over and over. And I am done w/ the tit for tat.

perhaps in some cases that is what you are reading into it, no? Because it certainly isn't the case with me.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I think that says about Ron, that he doesn't believe he's the Father. I don't believe the Mother feels Ron is the father either. It takes a whole lot more for a man, not married to a woman, to go through to force her to do something, than the woman requesting and seeking such testing. He has to have an attorney, pay at least a 3,500 dollar retainer, as there's potential custody issues to arise out of the results, pay for the testing,court costs, blah blah blah.

Maybe now that Ron has support from attorneys, he'll do just that. If he is the Father, surely him having to fight to establish his rights, as the Mother has clearly made choices she doesn't have the authority to make. In other words, a Mother can't not let a Father not see his children. So if Ron isn't the Father, then who is and why aren't they involved? But the mother is a criminal, gives custody away, instead of allowing the bio Father to have their child. Sounds messed up to me.

Ron go for it. You have the legal guns, find out if baby J is yours, and get custody since everyone is so interested. If Ron is the Father, he has a right to have a relationship, maybe we'll see this unfold soon enough. Right now, his focus is on his missing daughter. More drama seems too much in my eyes to be dealing with all at one time. And we know it would be drama drama starting up dna and custody issues with this baby.

 

[curvecuti]

AGAIN, Where is Responsible Ron's role in this?! Who cares about support?! I am talking about being there for your child! So you are saying that if Amber nor her mother never want child support or anything else from Ron, then Ron is off the hook as far as being a father to his son (IF J is) in your opinion? Really? and you call that a good responsible father? J doesn't deserve any better than that? WHY? I give up, I really do...I'm just :banghead: for something that Thank God I will never understand. Have a good night...:waitasec:

Actually I never said any of those things. Please do not put words in my mouth. The question was why did RC not pay support to Jordan, it has been twisted into something totally different now.

And I am saying this for the last time. Jordan has nothing to do with this case and imo, he should not be brought into it, he is a child.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Again I ask, this is our business why? Also, I guess him making over $2000 excuses the biological mother from paying court-ordered child support???

Adrienne, I see you have been here WAY longer than I, but I have found that the majority of what we discuss is not any of our business FWIW.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Actually I never said any of those things. Please do not put words in my mouth.

Then please by all means, correct me....because I am not putting words in your mouth, that is how I interpreted your post. That's why I asked you.

 

[curvecuti]

Then please by all means, correct me....because I am not putting words in your mouth, that is how I interpreted your post. That's why I asked you.

Ok, you interpreted my posts wrongly.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Ok, you interpreted my posts wrongly.

okie dokie, then exactly what do you mean IF you care to share, if not then I certainly understand.

 

[Adrienne37]

Adrienne, I see you have been here WAY longer than I, but I have found that the majority of what we discuss is not any of our business FWIW.

Yes, I have been here a long time but you will also see that I don't post very often. You are right, there are a lot of things that we discuss that aren't any of our business at all. We all think we know the answers because we follow these cases and we put our opinions about there and when I really think it through and put myself in the situation such as the Cummings family, the Klaas family, the Rocha family, the Kesse family, and all of the other missing/murdered people out there and their beloved families, I have to wonder what I would do if I went on the internet and found all sorts of personal things posted about me and my family on a message board.

All of the personal information relevant to income, who is who's biological father, etc., etc., etc., is really not relevant to the discussion at hand and that is "WHAT HAPPENED TO HALEIGH?"

 

[curvecuti]

okie dokie, then exactly what do you mean IF you care to share, if not then I certainly understand.

I meant what I typed out, if you understand it differently, I don't know what to do about that except if I quote my own posts and I don't think that will help.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Pondering Mind, I have listened and I think you have brought up very sensible and valid thoughts. I agree.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I think that says about Ron, that he doesn't believe he's the Father. I don't believe the Mother feels Ron is the father either. It takes a whole lot more for a man, not married to a woman, to go through to force her to do something, than the woman requesting and seeking such testing. He has to have an attorney, pay at least a 3,500 dollar retainer, as there's potential custody issues to arise out of the results, pay for the testing,court costs, blah blah blah.

Maybe now that Ron has support from attorneys, he'll do just that. If he is the Father, surely him having to fight to establish his rights, as the Mother has clearly made choices she doesn't have the authority to make. In other words, a Mother can't not let a Father not see his children. So if Ron isn't the Father, then who is and why aren't they involved? But the mother is a criminal, gives custody away, instead of allowing the bio Father to have their child. Sounds messed up to me.

Ron go for it. You have the legal guns, find out if baby J is yours, and get custody since everyone is so interested. If Ron is the Father, he has a right to have a relationship, maybe we'll see this unfold soon enough. Right now, his focus is on his missing daughter. More drama seems too much in my eyes to be dealing with all at one time. And we know it would be drama drama starting up dna and custody issues with this baby.

Being a parent, under any circumstance shouldn't stop you from any of your children. He didn't try before Haleigh went missing other than the day he had the baby. He was given a chance to see how care would be for one day, if you believe that. There's no docs to suggest he's trying to get any other children he might have fathered, nor that he stood up in the past few months to find Haleigh until recently. I would love to see his efforts.

 

[Whisperer]

So RC had a pick up besides the Altima....interesting info going on here. He now has two pick-ups and the Altima. Where were the other two vehicles on Feb 9?