Ron C. # 12

[kamky]

Right, I know the law, but thats not my issue, the fact he played dirty to get his kids makes me sick and should make any mother sick-

Please read the post below so that you have the correct information about the custody petition. Crystal was clearly aware of the petition since she responded to it, but she neglected to inform the court of her new address. There is no evidence whatsoever that Ron "played dirty".

Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #7 - Page 5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Malesherbes]

Please read the post below so that you have the correct information about the custody petition. Crystal was clearly aware of the petition since she responded to it, but she neglected to inform the court of her new address. There is no evidence whatsoever that Ron "played dirty".

Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #7 - Page 5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I wont argue with you, I read all the court stuff, and its all open for interpretation, if one loves Ron and thinks hes the bees knees, they read what they want-fact is he took the kids for a visit and stole them and never brought them back, I guess back in the day when this happened no one informed Ron the kids werent a pair of shoes that could be stole- as he so eloquently has referenced HaLeigh-

 

[curvecuti]

bbm, why is this necessary, when the poster was replying to another member in agreements?

No one gets to hold court without the other party being served properly. The court uses its own court serving processors. Only do the private attornies for the litigants use their processors when a known address is filed and on the court record will the courts accept an individual attornies paperwork, affidavit stating this person was served and signed by that processor as the attorney is an officer of the courts.

Crystal was not hard to find, or incognito. Easily her or a close family member could be had to inquire further a newer address if a court servor couldn't process at the given address by the plaintiff. That's all they do, is serve papers for a living.

This is a non issue, doesn't have anything to do with the situation concerning Haleigh's disappearance, and is a crock for this mis-information to be continually repeated throughout the threads of Haleigh's forum. Members have responded continually as to it's nature of being false and wrong.

To my knowledge Crystal has not brought this up, and has no complaints about serving process, why is it an issue for those who are trying to force that it's a fact in the custody case? My issue with this is it's just flat out not true and having to read it as fact almost daily.

Oh Kool, it's just par for the course sweetie. I didn't understand another poster's post in a different thread and it is an off shoot from that. No worries babe, but thanks again!

 

[Flossie JMO]

Please read the post below so that you have the correct information about the custody petition. Crystal was clearly aware of the petition since she responded to it, but she neglected to inform the court of her new address. There is no evidence whatsoever that Ron "played dirty".

Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #7 - Page 5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Exactly. I don't understand why there are repeated claims to the contrary.

 

[debs]

Exactly. I don't understand why there are repeated claims to the contrary.

Because people have different opinions. I happen to agree with Whisperer and Malesherbes that Ronald taking the children and never returning them, denying Crystal access to them, filing an address with the court where Crystal didn't live, makes for compelling discussion as to exactly who was it that received the papers and returned a typed note in response.

 

[elle1919]

Right, I know the law, but thats not my issue, the fact he played dirty to get his kids makes me sick and should make any mother sick-

This is the second time that you have quoted one of my posts and made the claim that " it would have made any mother sick" or made reference that because I don't hold your opinion, I am not a "normal mother"...so I have to respond to that in the most respectful way that I know how. : )

Your issue a few posts back WAS with the law and your opinion was that the law was not followed and Ronald was awarded custody by Crystal's default. Now, the issue you wish to address is that Ronald played dirty. Maybe your right, that might be your interpretation of what took place however my response that I posted to Whisperer was not based on my opinions I was basing my reply on the facts that are written in the Florida State statutes that all magistrates must adhere to. Regardless of which parent might have employed an underhanded tactic to sway the court's opinion, they courts do not make rulings based upon opinions they make rulings based on facts. If there was no receipt of service of the petition another hearing would be scheduled, which it was. At that point in time both parties presented their evidence and gave testimony at the hearing.

I am a loving mother and I can sympathize with Crystal and her feelings over the order of the magistrate. If I was in her shoes and the magistrate ruled against me, I would have filed an appeal. If I didn't like the outcome of that hearing I would file an additional appeal. In my opinion there is absolutely nothing that would have held Crystal back. These options are still open to her today and if she isn't happy with the current order, I wish to God that someone would advise her that she doesn't even need to have money to file an appeal and request a new hearing. There are resources available to her. Please understand that while these are my opinions, I try, with all the sincerity I possess to base my opinions on the facts that are available to all of us.

 

[kamky]

Because people have different opinions. I happen to agree with Whisperer and Malesherbes that Ronald taking the children and never returning them, denying Crystal access to them, filing an address with the court where Crystal didn't live, makes for compelling discussion as to exactly who was it that received the papers and returned a typed note in response.

Debs, are you suggesting that Ron received Crystal's copy of the custody petition and forged a response to it for her and provided the court with an incorrect address for her? And that Crystal to this day hasn't figured this out?

 

[Flossie JMO]

And the court lied that she was served personally? JMO that's ludicrous.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Not only does the courts make rulings based on facts, they decide based on "law" which even supercedes the precedences of facts in a matter. Facts don't always sway the court, but the law does.

So this judge not only ruled based upon facts, his opinions of who the children would be best in the custody of, for he takes the entire family dynamics, not just the parent in ron and crystals types of case, (due to their need of family support), but they go by the laws.

 

[elle1919]

I wont argue with you, I read all the court stuff, and its all open for interpretation, if one loves Ron and thinks hes the bees knees, they read what they want-fact is he took the kids for a visit and stole them and never brought them back, I guess back in the day when this happened no one informed Ron the kids werent a pair of shoes that could be stole- as he so eloquently has referenced HaLeigh-

Is Florida Law open for interpretation? I ask honestly because I don't know the answer it very well could be.

For the record, I don't love Ron and I do not think he is the bee's knees.

 

[PorcineGranny]

I see another poster is being singled out and raked over the coals because they disagree with the "wisdom" being offered here as absolute facts. Actually much earlier in these threads this topic was covered. No matter what laws or protocol are established to handle things, it all comes down to whos serving the papers and the information they have, and (they get any way they can) how they handle it. No ones going behind them and checking, they are just checking a box on the back of the paper. What I'm trying to say in this confusing debacle is that more than likely what happened is as was first discussed, I wasn't there but have seen this a number of times.

 

[kamky]

I wont argue with you, I read all the court stuff, and its all open for interpretation, if one loves Ron and thinks hes the bees knees, they read what they want-fact is he took the kids for a visit and stole them and never brought them back, I guess back in the day when this happened no one informed Ron the kids werent a pair of shoes that could be stole- as he so eloquently has referenced HaLeigh-

I'm sure that Ron's family members love him and think he's the bee's knees. I hope that you do not really mean to suggest that posters who try and remain open minded on this forum and try to disregard rumors, gossip, and innuendo all "love Ron"! Many posters are trying to get to the truth and, while they may feel that Ron has many problems, sincerely do not believe that he has shown a high enough degree of suspicious behavior to have been involved in this crime. Instead, since he is Haleigh's father, he, as well as Crystal, deserves a great deal of sympathy.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I would like to see a link, or even a comment from any of the family members including ron or crystal where the process servor issue was a problem in the custody case of the children.

It is the law that all litigants be served due process. It's the first thing mentioned and placed on the record before hearings are held. It's like miranda rights where the laws concerned. Even the opposing litigants lawyer will object to a hearing if the other party isn't notified properly because most of the times they are aware before the courts that there is a due process problem concerning addresses before the hearing date. Attorneys would be reprimanded, possibly found in contempt of court if knowingly had any part in not serving due process. It's against the law to do so.

Crystal isn't claiming such an allegation, the hearing was had and it's a done deal. No illegal activities occured in the custody hearing. The insinuations are false. Crystal and Ron both appeared at their custody hearing, replied appropriately with evidence and affidavits, participated within their custody hearing.

Crystal evidentally is satisfied with the arrangements of custody, as she's not petitioning the courts to make changes to the order. If she doesn't object, who are we to do so?

 

[Malesherbes]

I'm sure that Ron's family members love him and think he's the bee's knees. I hope that you do not really mean to suggest that posters who try and remain open minded on this forum and try to disregard rumors, gossip, and innuendo all "love Ron"! Many posters are trying to get to the truth and, while they may feel that Ron has many problems, sincerely do not believe that he has shown a high enough degree of suspicious behavior to have been involved in this crime. Instead, since he is Haleigh's father, he, as well as Crystal, deserves a great deal of sympathy.

Oh honestly, I have read stuff from posters who defend Ron as if he was one of their own, and I have read stuff like he is so hot, and gorgeous and has a great body, and when I read stuff like that from some of his die hard supporters, its hard not to be jaded and think, are they here for Haleigh, or because Ron is a dreamboat?

Ron would have gotten sympathy from a lot of people, but Ron actually went months not even calling the LE to see the status of Haleighs case- I mean right then and there, its hinky, and I think he knows exactly where Haleigh is- Then on top of all his drug arrests and having sex with a child, no, no sympathy from me- He in my opinion has cast Haleigh aside and is covering his rear end to spare his life outside of a prison-

jmo

 

[debs]

I would like to see a link, or even a comment from any of the family members including ron or crystal where the process servor issue was a problem in the custody case of the children.

It is the law that all litigants be served due process. It's the first thing mentioned and placed on the record before hearings are held. It's like miranda rights where the laws concerned. Even the opposing litigants lawyer will object to a hearing if the other party isn't notified properly because most of the times they are aware before the courts that there is a due process problem concerning addresses before the hearing date. Attorneys would be reprimanded, possibly found in contempt of court if knowingly had any part in not serving due process. It's against the law to do so.

Crystal isn't claiming such an allegation, the hearing was had and it's a done deal. No illegal activities occured in the custody hearing. The insinuations are false. Crystal and Ron both appeared at their custody hearing, replied appropriately with evidence and affidavits, participated within their custody hearing.

Crystal evidentally is satisfied with the arrangements of custody, as she's not petitioning the courts to make changes to the order. If she doesn't object, who are we to do so?

It was Crystal's complaint which led to the second hearing, whether it changed the outcome or no. Crystal also stated in court documents that she'd never received the papers.

I would never suggest that Crystal is satisfied with the arrangements. She has never said that, ever.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I'm sure that Ron's family members love him and think he's the bee's knees. I hope that you do not really mean to suggest that posters who try and remain open minded on this forum and try to disregard rumors, gossip, and innuendo all "love Ron"! Many posters are trying to get to the truth and, while they may feel that Ron has many problems, sincerely do not believe that he has shown a high enough degree of suspicious behavior to have been involved in this crime.

That's exactly what is being said about posters. Clearly evident by the posts daily. If Ron is innocent, and for now I'm leaning towards his innocence, it must be hard for him to be right there, have suspicions of who may have possibly taken Haleigh, and have his hands tied by not being able to do anything about it or he would be in trouble with LE. And from what I've been able to gather, Ron and family aren't treated too kindly by LE or given frequent updates to give them hope of resolve one way or the other.

 

[elle1919]

Oh honestly, I have read stuff from posters who defend Ron as if he was one of their own, and I have read stuff like he is so hot, and gorgeous and has a great body, and when I read stuff like that from some of his die hard supporters, its hard not to be jaded and think, are they here for Haleigh, or because Ron is a dreamboat?

Ron would have gotten sympathy from a lot of people, but Ron actually went months not even calling the LE to see the status of Haleighs case- I mean right then and there, its hinky, and I think he knows exactly where Haleigh is- Then on top of all his drug arrests and having sex with a child, no, no sympathy from me- He in my opinion has cast Haleigh aside and is covering his rear end to spare his life outside of a prison-

jmo

You know what, I am going to agree with you on what I think you are trying to imply. I think it is 100% inappropriate to make comments such as the ones that you list in your post Malesherbes. This is a crime sleuthing website and as a member here at WS, I would rather not read comments like that. I hope that you alerted to those particular posts because I cannot for the life of me understand how any of those descriptions have one bit of relevancy on Haleigh's forum.

Having said that, I cannot remember having read any of those comments here at WS. Perhaps I did and I overlooked it because the comment disturbed me but I don't remember reading them. I do not contribute to other forums so I have no idea if their rules are as strict as the rules here at WS, but the reason I choose to contribute here is because I have the deepest respect for everyone including the moderators. Recently applied for membership at another forum during the time that I was banned from posting here but to be very honest the moderation of that forum and the standard that is maintained here at WS were night and day differences. I am trying to be honest and that is all I can do.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

She says it by her non actions by not moving the court to change the custody order. Whatever caused the Judge to rule against custody for Crystal, years have passed now and those problems that the court found to be against Crystal could have and should have been corrected by now. Hence, asking the court to re-visit the custody issue of at least ruling for joint custody if not full custody.

Any court will entertain a bio parents motions to move the court concerning a child issue as many times as the bio parent desires, as that's what their job is, to handle and settle disputes between family.

If Crystal was objecting to Ron having custody, I'm sure it would be on the news circuit with those reporters who follow the case. Wouldn't cost her a dime, probably would even get paid to give such an interview to some media for her person to person contact. It's not an issue for me, it appears both bio parents are settled on the matter, so good for them.

 

[Malesherbes]

Ron knew Crystal was about to be taken to court for CS- thats why he got a job after 3 years of doing nothing, he had to show the court he had a job so he could keep his kids, imo- I almost wonder if he directly is involved with Haleighs disappearance and no one but him knows what happened to her and he took advantage of Misty in her basically comatose sleep, maybe he thought having a missing child would make Crystal not fight him for custody or something-jmo

 

[elle1919]

I'll bite Malesherbes!

In keeping with your theory. If Misty was asleep and Ronald wished to carry out his plan. Do you have a theory as to why LE has said he was at work and did he carry out his plan alone or did someone go in and take Haleigh while he established his alibi at work? If so ...who? After Haleigh was successfully removed from the home what did He do with her and where is she now? One more thing....why did he leave Junior behind if it was a parental abduction to avoid another custody hearing?