Ron C. # 12

[DotsEyes]

What is less than zero support payment?

Sometimes, as the attorney-client relationship evolves, the attorney becomes aware of certain unlikeable and bothersome things about the client, such as "she lied to me" and that they are a drug abuser. The lie here involves the denial of due process, which could have been a basis for overturning the orginal judgment of custody. However, once the truth was known (CS was served and simply failed to appear) the basis fell apart. When KP realized the severity of the drug abuse/seizure problems, she could not in good faith represent to the court that CS was the more fit parent who was also wrongly denied custody, because neither was true.

Requesting a reduction in child support a month after the child disappears and using the child's disappearance as a basis for the reduction is so umseemly that most attorneys wouldn't touch it. In a year, maybe - but in a month - no. It shocks the sensibility of the court. Not to mention the waste of time re-doing the support order as surely everyone is operating in the hope that the child is found soon and alive.

I think this bit of legal stuff was more likely CS trying to reduce the amount she owed the state for payments made to Ron, rather than a reduction in future monthly support.

CS may have not wanted custody of the children. No shame in that. Not everyone wants to be a mother and some women know that they won't be good mothers and that the kids are better off with dad. Men do great jobs raising kids too.

 

[Emeralgem]

What is less than zero support payment?

Sometimes, as the attorney-client relationship evolves, the attorney becomes aware of certain unlikeable and bothersome things about the client, such as "she lied to me" and that they are a drug abuser. The lie here involves the denial of due process, which could have been a basis for overturning the orginal judgment of custody. However, once the truth was known (CS was served and simply failed to appear) the basis fell apart. When KP realized the severity of the drug abuse/seizure problems, she could not in good faith represent to the court that CS was the more fit parent who was also wrongly denied custody, because neither was true.

Requesting a reduction in child support a month after the child disappears and using the child's disappearance as a basis for the reduction is so umseemly that most attorneys wouldn't touch it. In a year, maybe - but in a month - no. It shocks the sensibility of the court. Not to mention the waste of time re-doing the support order as surely everyone is operating in the hope that the child is found soon and alive.

I think this bit of legal stuff was more likely CS trying to reduce the amount she owed the state for payments made to Ron, rather than a reduction in future monthly support.

CS may have not wanted custody of the children. No shame in that. Not everyone wants to be a mother and some women know that they won't be good mothers and that the kids are better off with dad. Men do great jobs raising kids too.

Personally, I don't know IF Crystal wanted her children or not, but I do know that the kids, in this instance. weren't better off being with Ron C either....Didn't work out too well for Haleigh did it? And God only knows what Jr. has experienced and witnessed...JMO

 

[texasmommy39]

And I can see an equally valid reason for Crystal to have them. I can see easily how taking them, asking the questions, and having to accept the answer, but reserving the photos in case there is another incident. Happens all the time.

I cannot fault Crystal for showing these things to her attorney. It would be the smart thing to do, especially since the next incident was that her daughter disappeared.

I agree she had every right to document the injuries HaLeigh sustained on the play ground and question the incident, but, those photos where given to her attorney and Crystal knowingly lied and claimed Ron struck HaLeigh in the face after her acident that initialy caused the injuries to her face. The fact that she instigated KP to contact DCF and make a complaint and offer those pictures to confirm the lie is the point. Crystal sure has alot to explain to someone IMO. PCSO needs to set up a little meeting to clarify Crystals statements and uncover all the lies that she has felt the need to create and slander Ron with.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Crystal's support the lowest amount that could be given to her. There was no more lowering that could be done.

but by filing a motion to reduce, she acknowledged her responsibility. It was also possible that it could be forgiven but not probable with RC. The only job I remember h er having was as a waitress, and part of the time she was pregnant.

I don't see this as something Crystal thought of , but something that an attorney would jump on immediately. So, in my opinion blaming her for a routine motion is not right. JMO

 

[elle1919]

.......and yet, she is consistently blamed for it. Interesting. I'm well aware Connie took the pictures. I'm also well aware that she has every right to do so as a concerned step-grandparent. I'm just completely confused why the mother's side of the family is trashed for having the pictures...the very same sort of pictures the father's side of the family took.

Good morning debs... I realize that I am bumping up a post that you made yesterday and I apologize for that, but I was hoping you might be able to give a little bit of clarification on your statement that Connie Sheffield took the photographs that Crystal gave to KP. While I was re-reading the thread yesterday evening(it was moving very quickly there for a bit!)I must have missed that part of your post. I think it might be important debs, so if you do have something that shows CONNIE took the pictures could you point me in the direction of it?

I will tell you where my frame of mind is right now. I always assumed that Marie took the abuse photo's, and if she DIDN'T, I think that is important. I do not hold a high opinion of Marie and if my opinion is wrong I need to educate myself as to what the real facts are .

* On February 23rd we first get the information that " JR said a man in black to my sissy" Link: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/23/ng.01.html
snipped from transcript~GRACE: Where is 5-year-old Haleigh? Straight out to Marie Griffis, maternal grandmother of Haleigh. Everyone, we are taking your calls live. Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh`s biological mother, announcing she has willingly taken a polygraph and was told that she passed.

To Marie Griffis, the grandmother -- Ms. Griffis, thank you for being with us. To your understanding, has the little boy told other people about the description of the kidnapper?

MARIE GRIFFIS, MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: Not that I know of. Just Connie and Crystal.

GRACE: And was his story consistent?

GRIFFIS: Yes. From what Connie told me, he talked about a man dressed in black, and then Crystal said the same thing.~ end snip

If Connie took the abuse pictures and held them and was the first person that Junior told about the man in black, I find those two things suspicious. Why was Connie questioning Junior about the night Haleigh went missing? Has Connie taken a lie detector test? Has Marty, Crystal's father taken a LDT? They both live in Satsuma and would have direct knowledge of when Ronald worked and who was with Haleigh while he worked. So I ask again, do you know that Connie S was indeed the person that took the alleged abuse pictures? Thank you debs for any info you might have.

 

[Blaise]

Since I still don't understand the post perhaps I might need to wear your crown for awhile. :innocent: Perhaps if other members wouldn't read my posts trying to determine who I am posting in favor of I wouldn't be accused of representing good and light or darkness and evil. No offense intended Blaise, I am just being honest. I am glad we are all here to discover the truth. If we could get information more often than once or twice every few months I think it would help a lot.

'K. I'll try again. I don't try to determine who you are posting in favor of. You're posting in favor of . . . yourself.

*WHEN* you put one subset of posters in *this* corner and impugn their motives (by stating words to the effect of "they're only interested in pursuing Ron's past actions"), you're placing them in the Darkness category, whereas when you put yourself in the other corner, "I'm only here for Haleigh!", you're putting yourself in the Goodness category.

You might not agree (I doubt you do), but I have no doubt you understand.

I, myself, find it easier to give all the benefit of the doubt -- we might be taking different paths, but our destination is the same -- Haleigh coming home.

Back on topic -- Many have said, "We cannot judge him for his actions during the 911 call!". Well, I can. I would keep myself together long enough to give law enforcement the basics (DOB, what she was wearing, every single freakin' piece of applicable information they needed at the exact time they needed it) before I fell to pieces.

I know my core values, and when push comes to shove, I'm gonna hold it together long enough to get the data out, and then I'll fall to pieces.

I know this. I've been tested. And when my child is in extreme danger, I will step up to the plate.

Blaise

 

[curvecuti]

'K. I'll try again. I don't try to determine who you are posting in favor of. You're posting in favor of . . . yourself.

*WHEN* you put one subset of posters in *this* corner and impugn their motives (by stating words to the effect of "they're only interested in pursuing Ron's past actions"), you're placing them in the Darkness category, whereas when you put yourself in the other corner, "I'm only here for Haleigh!", you're putting yourself in the Goodness category.

You might not agree (I doubt you do), but I have no doubt you understand.

I, myself, find it easier to give all the benefit of the doubt -- we might be taking different paths, but our destination is the same -- Haleigh coming home.

Back on topic -- Many have said, "We cannot judge him for his actions during the 911 call!". Well, I can. I would keep myself together long enough to give law enforcement the basics (DOB, what she was wearing, every single freakin' piece of applicable information they needed at the exact time they needed it) before I fell to pieces.

I know my core values, and when push comes to shove, I'm gonna hold it together long enough to get the data out, and then I'll fall to pieces.

I know this. I've been tested. And when my child is in extreme danger, I will step up to the plate.
Blaise

And that's great if you know these things. People react differently under different circumstances. You can judge someone by comparing their actions to what you think you would do in that situation, and that's ok, it's not fair to the other person, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have no idea how I would react if I came home from work in the middle of the night and my daughter was gone. But I would be willing to bet I would be murderous among other things. MOO.

 

[lonetraveler]

Wow, I logged on to the Roc C. thread to see if any updates were here and get to see another thread dedicated to Crystal. Shocker, I know. How many threads are there on just Crystal now? I feel like I'm reading summer reruns. I'm gone.

 

[elle1919]

'K. I'll try again. I don't try to determine who you are posting in favor of. You're posting in favor of . . . yourself.

*WHEN* you put one subset of posters in *this* corner and impugn their motives (by stating words to the effect of "they're only interested in pursuing Ron's past actions"), you're placing them in the Darkness category, whereas when you put yourself in the other corner, "I'm only here for Haleigh!", you're putting yourself in the Goodness category.

You might not agree (I doubt you do), but I have no doubt you understand.

I, myself, find it easier to give all the benefit of the doubt -- we might be taking different paths, but our destination is the same -- Haleigh coming home.

Back on topic -- Many have said, "We cannot judge him for his actions during the 911 call!". Well, I can. I would keep myself together long enough to give law enforcement the basics (DOB, what she was wearing, every single freakin' piece of applicable information they needed at the exact time they needed it) before I fell to pieces.

I know my core values, and when push comes to shove, I'm gonna hold it together long enough to get the data out, and then I'll fall to pieces.

I know this. I've been tested. And when my child is in extreme danger, I will step up to the plate.

Blaise

I apologize in advance for the length and space of my post, TIA

Your portion of the above post bold by me, I understand that part of your statement and it is that portion that respectfully disagree with. I am not posting in favor of myself, I have nothing to lose or gain and I do not matter one iota. It is my intention to post and discuss the facts in this case that will lead us to Haleigh's whereabouts.

I apologize if you felt that I was putting myself alone in a corner as the only member here at WS that is interested in finding Haleigh. I know that there are many here who wish to bring Haleigh home and I feel it is wrong to separate anyone from the rest by assigning them a corner. It is that kind of thinking that forms divisions among us.

This was your original response to my first statement about the members here that were placing so much emphasis on Ronald's past..

snip~When you've got the 'most' on the side of evil and darkness and you're on the side of goodness and light, it's understandable the the 'mosts' are gonna get bent outta shape.

To bring it back ontopic, I find Ron intensely dislikable. In a Casey Anthony kinda way. That's the biggest reason I post on this forum so infrequently. Some can separate their feelings and gut instincts from the pure cold but very limited facts. I can't. I think he's a bully. I find the idea of people fearing him laughable. I got a feeling he'd fold like a cheap suit if someone with some gumption and good sense stood up to him. I think he's a user. I think he is so insecure in his manhood that he's incapable of sustaining a relationship with a woman who is his equal. I find his swagger very Casey-like. I think that his actions in obtaining custody were more about retaliation than true love for his children.~ end snip

You were placing yourself in a category of the "mosts" and that you were feeling bent out of shape because you thought I was implying that because you dislike Ronald you are in a group separate from me. That couldn't be farther from the truth and I do not feel that way at all. You are the one that said that you dislike Ronald and you thought that he didn't handle himself the way most parents would on the 911 call. While I would admit that his statements on the 911 call are not how some people would react, I don't think that his statements on the 911 call in and of themselves are proof that he has any part in his daughter's disappearance. You do, but that doesn't make you on the side of darkness and evil any more than it puts me on the side of goodness and light because I didn't find his statements suspicious. We are all here for the same reason and I really do apologize if you think I was implying that there were good and bad sides here. You put yourself on a side not me. I think we are all one unit here and I am happy to be a part of it.

In regards to the second part of your post that I bolded, you say that in a time of uncertainty and confusion and utter fear about what has happened to your child, you have been tested and you stepped up to the plate. Just because Ronald didn't and you think he was a pain in the butt and of no help to the dispatcher doesn't mean he was guilty of anything in my opinion. Perhaps he knew he was an emotional wreck and that is why he told Misty to place the call to begin with. Personally, I think Misty should have called 911 the second her eyes hit Haleigh's bed and her mind processed the information that Haleigh was not in the bed.

 

[elle1919]

Wow, I logged on to the Roc C. thread to see if any updates were here and get to see another thread dedicated to Crystal. Shocker, I know. How many threads are there on just Crystal now? I feel like I'm reading summer reruns. I'm gone.

If you are referring to a post of mine I apologize. I know that sometimes the threads themselves stray a little off topic but I did post the answer to this question here in this thread because the question was raised HERE IN THIS THREAD. To be safe and post correctly I took my post to Crystal's thread as well. Again, very sorry

 

[curvecuti]

Wow, I logged on to the Roc C. thread to see if any updates were here and get to see another thread dedicated to Crystal. Shocker, I know. How many threads are there on just Crystal now? I feel like I'm reading summer reruns. I'm gone.

Honestly, I know exactly how you feel! That's why I don't frequent the rumor thread anymore. Same ol', same ol' over and over and over again.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Blaise, thanks again for an on point post.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Honestly, I know exactly how you feel! That's why I don't frequent the rumor thread anymore. Same ol', same ol' over and over and over again.

Theres always something going on in the rumor thread. We respect each other and search for information without excoriating each other on any thoughts. Facts, respect and kindness are the bywords there, it doesn't work for everyone. JMO

 

[texasmommy39]

Honestly, I know exactly how you feel! That's why I don't frequent the rumor thread anymore. Same ol', same ol' over and over and over again.

ROFLOL..... I could not agree more.

 

[TxLady2]

Honestly, I know exactly how you feel! That's why I don't frequent the rumor thread anymore. Same ol', same ol' over and over and over again.

Actually, you might like it... a few keep up with the scanner chatter, and that's different every night, of course. We don't get into deep discussions down there, we just throw ideas back and forth to each other. And not a lot of rumors... much of it is fact.

 

[curvecuti]

Actually, you might like it... a few keep up with the scanner chatter, and that's different every night, of course. We don't get into deep discussions down there, we just throw ideas back and forth to each other. And not a lot of rumors... much of it is fact.

Well, I have been down there, stayed for several months. And no offense, but I could not disagree more about "much of it is fact." I like it up here where you have to be able to back up what you throw out there. moo.

 

[elle1919]

Curvecuti, do you know if there is a cost associated with requesting records in Florida? TIA

 

[curvecuti]

Curvecuti, do you know if there is a cost associated with requesting records in Florida? TIA

Elle, iirc there is a fee. I don't think it is much but it differs depending on the record you are requesting. HTH!

 

[atherella]

Curvecuti, do you know if there is a cost associated with requesting records in Florida? TIA

Curvecuti is correct. I believe they charge you according to how many pages the document you request is. I'm not sure how much they charge per page, though.

 

[Baxter]

Good morning debs... I realize that I am bumping up a post that you made yesterday and I apologize for that, but I was hoping you might be able to give a little bit of clarification on your statement that Connie Sheffield took the photographs that Crystal gave to KP. While I was re-reading the thread yesterday evening(it was moving very quickly there for a bit!)I must have missed that part of your post. I think it might be important debs, so if you do have something that shows CONNIE took the pictures could you point me in the direction of it?

I will tell you where my frame of mind is right now. I always assumed that Marie took the abuse photo's, and if she DIDN'T, I think that is important. I do not hold a high opinion of Marie and if my opinion is wrong I need to educate myself as to what the real facts are .

* On February 23rd we first get the information that " JR said a man in black to my sissy" Link: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/23/ng.01.html
snipped from transcript~GRACE: Where is 5-year-old Haleigh? Straight out to Marie Griffis, maternal grandmother of Haleigh. Everyone, we are taking your calls live. Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh`s biological mother, announcing she has willingly taken a polygraph and was told that she passed.

To Marie Griffis, the grandmother -- Ms. Griffis, thank you for being with us. To your understanding, has the little boy told other people about the description of the kidnapper?

MARIE GRIFFIS, MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: Not that I know of. Just Connie and Crystal.

GRACE: And was his story consistent?

GRIFFIS: Yes. From what Connie told me, he talked about a man dressed in black, and then Crystal said the same thing.~ end snip

If Connie took the abuse pictures and held them and was the first person that Junior told about the man in black, I find those two things suspicious. Why was Connie questioning Junior about the night Haleigh went missing? Has Connie taken a lie detector test? Has Marty, Crystal's father taken a LDT? They both live in Satsuma and would have direct knowledge of when Ronald worked and who was with Haleigh while he worked. So I ask again, do you know that Connie S was indeed the person that took the alleged abuse pictures? Thank you debs for any info you might have.

Elle,

Can I link to the bald man site? He has an interview with Connie, where she admits to taking the pictures.

Here is the link: Mods remove if necessary.

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...mmings&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
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