Ron C. # 12

[KOOL LOOK]

Thank you. I have a great respect for GOD, not necessarily religion. To me they are not necessarily the same thing, but who am I to argue? I can quote scripture with the best of 'em.

BBM as do I. When I used the word "Hell" guess I should have put raising in front of it. Trying to figure out why this has caused such a reaction from you, if it's the definition or using of the word "Hell" and my inability to understand what you meant by "trappings thereof". Do you not believe that's the case in Ron's home as I felt there wasn't "Hell" there as described in my original post? Or any of the other families involved?
If you could explain what exactly you are objecting too, maybe I can better explain myself. If not, when I get back, I'll remove my original post, as I would like to please you. KL

Your post below:
Today, 11:34 AM
Trident
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Originally Posted by KOOL LOOK
Show me when I brought religion in the post you have quoted please.

Your reference to "hell". Granted you backed off and "explained" it differently. If I took it wrong, having read many of your other posts, I apologize.

I have no intentions of fighting or anguing. I don't believe that's what my interpretation of God would want.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I took care of it. Ron to me was like lots of young people his age, his home wasn't as ideal as I would have liked, or ran if I was the girlfriend or wife there, but it's obvious they were prospering, with love. Seems to me all the families had closeness with family bonds. Nothing that would draw my attention to the home as a place I would object too.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Maybe "hell" is in the eye of the beholder. Even Christian denominations have differing definitions of the word. To me "hell" is being without your mother; hearing sex sounds between your father and the young woman who babysits for you, 'cause you sleep on the floor next to them. "Hell" can be an empty stomach, food you hate, or eating outside in the cold. "Hell" can be fights and wild parties - "Hell" is as varied as those talking about it.

Taking this further, "I" don't know Haleigh was "adored and loved by everyone". I know what I've heard, but I wasn't there to see it. If we look at Caylee's pictures and listen to the grandparents, Caylee was also loved and adored - even by her mother.

This case is downright mean and evil and I don't believe it's very helpful to use religion, or the trappings thereof, to try making a point. I believe ALL of us here are of a good heart and some, like Daniel, do our praying in the closet.

Only my humble opinion.

(bbm) bolded for much needed emphasis, hell could also include constantly hearing or being cussed out, or slapped by an irritable teenager, or going w/out coherent or otherwise proper supervision, the confusion of people coming in and out of their lives, chaos of a parent's arrests or embittered custody disputes, witnessing volatile arguments, or threats, feeling insecure, unsafe or unprotected etc. Children are remarkably, heartbreakingly, resilient; unquestioningly, gratefully accept w/e semblance of homelife or parenting they're given in life because it's all they know and have; are unable to envision nor understand, much less articulate, either anything better nor the vast shortcomings of their own upbringing or environment. Just because the picture RC, TN, GMS or the teen nanny would paint for us may not qualify as the worst possible scenario doesn't give us any accurate representation of what was truly going on behind closed doors. Or even at an average bus stop pickup, such as the last day Haleigh was ever seen. JMO

arrot:

 

[curvecuti]

(bbm) bolded for much needed emphasis, hell could also include constantly hearing or being cussed out, or slapped by an irritable teenager, or going w/out coherent or otherwise proper supervision, feeling unsafe or unprotected etc Children are remarkably, heartbreakingly, resilient; unquestioningly accept w/e semblance of homelife or parenting they are given in life because it's simply all they've ever known; are unable to envision nor understand, much less articulate, either something better nor the vast shortcomings of their own upbringing or environment. Just because the picture that RC, TN, GMS or the teen nanny have painted may not qualify as the worst possible scenario doesn't give us any accurate representation of what was truly going on behind closed doors. Or even at an average bus stop pickup, such as the last day Haleigh was ever seen. JMO

arrot:

Um, Crystal even said the kids loved Misty. And then said they told her they loved Misty. If things were that awful, there would be signs. If my 6 yr old has a rough day at school, I can tell it as soon as she gets in the car that something's wrong. I'm sure CS would have had an inkling if her children's homelife was so horrible. I may could see a teacher missing the signs, but a Mother, no.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Crystal wasn't present or even ever allowed in the home. Children want nothing more than to please, to believe they are loved, belong, and are secure. She would've had only her precious young children's naive, innocent impressions to base her opinion on now wouldn't she. And Crystal is gracious, to a fault imo. ETA Beginning posts w "Um" sounds intentionally rude.

arrot:

 

[debs]

Um, Crystal even said the kids loved Misty. And then said they told her they loved Misty. If things were that awful, there would be signs. If my 6 yr old has a rough day at school, I can tell it as soon as she gets in the car that something's wrong. I'm sure CS would have had an inkling if her children's homelife was so horrible. I may could see a teacher missing the signs, but a Mother, no.

Children love people who hurt them, all the time. They even tell other people they love that they love the people hurting them.

 

[curvecuti]

Crystal wasn't present or even ever allowed in the home. Children want nothing more than to please, to believe they are loved, belong, and are secure. She would've had only her precious young children's naive, innocent impressions to base her opinion on now wouldn't she. And Crystal is gracious, to a fault imo. ETA Beginning posts w "Um" sounds intentionally rude.

arrot:

I'm not sure how anything I type can "sound rude". It's not meant as rude, that's the way it was incorrectly intepreted. Sometimes I tend to write like I talk, and I tend to use Um, before a thought. Hope that clears it up. It's just like this case, people read into it things that just are not there.

I'm not at school either but if my child has a bad day, I can tell. If she was living in a hellish enviroment I WOULD know. Children will tell everything they know if someone is interested in listening. Can you tell when your child has had a bad or difficult day? I don't think it's unique to me and the other Mothers I know, but it may be.

 

[debs]

If the 'hellish environment' is what they live in all the time, instead of an anomaly that they can come home and talk about, they won't tell. They'll act out at the other parent's place in an attempt to normalize the atmosphere.

For instance: If a child is raised in chaos, and then goes to visit a place where chaos is not, they will naturally attempt to normalize. They will either take on the characteristics of the non-chaotic environment, or they will attempt to change the non-chaotic environment into what they are familiar with.

The longer the shift from one environment to the other goes on, the worse it becomes and the less likely it will be that the child will be able to maintain a facade of "normalcy" in the non-chaotic environment. The acting out will increase. It is hardly ever where the child is able to take what he/she learns in the non-chaotic environment and incorporate it into the chaos they live.

In order to normalize the chaos, they describe the people charged with taking care of them in loving terms. A child will fight the reality that the chaos is not demonstrative of love, and will pronounce to anyone that they love the adults in their lives. They will defend and protect the chaotic adults.

In my opinion, Ronald has done nothing but bring chaos into his children's lives since their mother first left with them. From the moment he came and took them on this "vacation" and then refused to give them back, to littering his bed with young girls (at least two), to living at so many different addresses in the past 3 1/2 years as to cause me to lose track of them, I have no doubt that the children would attempt to cling to the center of the chaos and declare that whatever he was doing was out of love. I just happen to also believe he was teaching his children an incredibly distorted version of love.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

curvecuti, I know in a heartbeat if something is wrong with my child, hubby, dogs, birds, and just about anyone. But especially my children, even if I haven't seen them for a day or two, like spending the night away from home. As soon as I see their eyes, I know that I know. Even when they try to hide it from me.

I have said this before, I believe the relationship between Ron and Crystal was amicable, and getting along at the time of Haleigh's disappearance by what we have seen and read. Not one ugly thing has come out of ron or crystals mouths about any particular incident after their split speaking of each others treatment of the other.

I don't count the attempts to claim child abuse upon Haleigh when Kim Picazzio decided to file for custody when she came into the missing case. I have even heard crystal asked these particular questions on tv interviews. I see attempts of trying to re-write history. I can see through it.

 

[Whisperer]

I do know CS had taken out a protective order on Ron. He threatened her to drop it or she would never see the kids again....she did.

RC, IMO, is not one who is able to restrain his temper enought to hold back when anyone or anything irritates him. He is volatile and may have had intermittent explosive disorder as a child.

He still has not matured even at the age of 26...he still behaves as a teenager...IMO

 

[elle1919]

I do know CS had taken out a protective order on Ron. He threatened her to drop it or she would never see the kids again....she did.

RC, IMO, is not one who is able to restrain his temper enought to hold back when anyone or anything irritates him. He is volatile and may have had intermittent explosive disorder as a child.

He still has not matured even at the age of 26...he still behaves as a teenager...IMO

Link for this important information please. TIA

 

[debs]

Link for this important information please. TIA

It is in their court proceedings list. She took one out, then dropped it. She stated in court that she had to drop it or he wouldn't let her see the kids.

of course, as is well known, people will take that how they will.

 

[elle1919]

It is in their court proceedings list. She took one out, then dropped it. She stated in court that she had to drop it or he wouldn't let her see the kids.

of course, as is well known, people will take that how they will.

thank you debs, I have read the court proceedings but I did not read that statement anywhere in them. That was why I asked for the link.

 

[debs]

OT but I do the same curve, I type like I talk most of the time, no worries.

Iirc Crystal, or Marie, said Crystal had been in the home. I believe everything that went on in the home was known. Jmo

I'm glad you said that. I think until Haleigh disappeared, they thought Ronald lived at the old address. I think that's why this statement seems so strange. Perhaps Crystal had been at the old home. After all, Ronald hadn't been in this new place very long. And we sure know he wasn't prone to include Crystal in his plans. He himself said he didn't let them know where he lived.

 

[Baxter]

OT but I do the same curve, I type like I talk most of the time, no worries.

Iirc Crystal, or Marie, said Crystal had been in the home. I believe everything that went on in the home was known. Jmo

BBM

This has been discussed ad nauseum. Marie had made a comment about Crystal being in the house before. But I guess she assumed she had. Crystal had never been to Rons' new home, let alone been inside of it.

 

[Flossie JMO]

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BBM

This has been discussed ad nauseum. Marie had made a comment about Crystal being in the house before. But I guess she assumed she had. Crystal had never been to Rons' new home, let alone been inside of it.

Bbm

You state this as though it's fact. Do you have proof of this statement?

 

[Boytwnmom]

said how Ron didn't want Crystal to know where he lived, "He didn't want Crystal to know where they lived for fear of what happened.. That is why he met at McDonalds in Palatke for the transfer for the weekend" whatever that means. Crystal DID go in the house AFTER Haleigh went missing so Marie's statement is not incorrect as Marie would have only been interviewed AFTER Haleigh disappeared from the previously undisclosed location. Also, who cares? Even if someone has been in your house that hardly means they know how dysfunctional your home is. People seldom engage in questionable behavior in front of visitors.

I'm glad you said that. I think until Haleigh disappeared, they thought Ronald lived at the old address. I think that's why this statement seems so strange. Perhaps Crystal had been at the old home. After all, Ronald hadn't been in this new place very long. And we sure know he wasn't prone to include Crystal in his plans. He himself said he didn't let them know where he lived.

 

[DotsEyes]

I can not believe that anyone would think that RC or TN's tears are not real. They are missing their baby girl and are sad - no matter how she disappeared they are sad and worried sick.

Be kind to them. God forbid you should ever be in their shoes.

Haleigh - you are loved and you will be missed until the day your mommy and daddy die. I am sorry that someone took you away and ended your life. You were an angel on earth sweet baby girl, a gift from God Himself to all of us and we are less now that you are gone.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I can not believe that anyone would think that RC or TN's tears are not real. They are missing their baby girl and are sad - no matter how she disappeared they are sad and worried sick.

Be kind to them. God forbid you should ever be in their shoes.

Haleigh - you are loved and you will be missed until the day your mommy and daddy die. I am sorry that someone took you away and ended your life. You were an angel on earth sweet baby girl, a gift from God Himself to all of us and we are less now that you are gone.

DotsEyes, I wouldn't say that I don't believe that the tears weren't real, I don't doubt for a minute that they love HaLeigh, never did doubt it. I don't doubt that they are devastated. Nor do I doubt that they are worried sick.' Why ' they are worried sick at this point is what I wonder about. I believe that Ron knows that he can't keep this charade up much longer and IMVHO he should be worried sick. For Teresa, I believe she knows that when that happens, it will be a double whamey for her. That's nothing more than mo tho and may be worth no more than a plug nickle.

 

[azwriter]

I'm glad you said that. I think until Haleigh disappeared, they thought Ronald lived at the old address. I think that's why this statement seems so strange. Perhaps Crystal had been at the old home. After all, Ronald hadn't been in this new place very long. And we sure know he wasn't prone to include Crystal in his plans. He himself said he didn't let them know where he lived.

debs, interesting post. Do you, or anyone, know just how long Ron, Misty and youngsters were living at the motor home before Haleigh disappeared?
I'm interested because if Ron's new address wasn't well know, that may rule out the possibility of Haleigh being taken by someone who knew Ron and was there to get back at him for whatever reason. The fewer people to know Ron's current address, means the list of outside suspects is narrowed further.
Or, perhaps Ron was keeping his new address underwraps for whatever reason. Maybe he didn't want to be found by any outsiders. Just thinking.