Ron C. # 12

[Pondering Mind]

debs, interesting post. Do you, or anyone, know just how long Ron, Misty and youngsters were living at the motor home before Haleigh disappeared?
I'm interested because if Ron's new address wasn't well know, that may rule out the possibility of Haleigh being taken by someone who knew Ron and was there to get back at him for whatever reason. The fewer people to know Ron's current address, means the list of outside suspects is narrowed further.
Or, perhaps Ron was keeping his new address underwraps for whatever reason. Maybe he didn't want to be found by any outsiders. Just thinking.

I believe they had lived at that MH for 2 months az, may be even a little shy of 2 months. IIRC, they moved into that one in November and for some reason I want to say toward the latter part of November (I may be wrong about that part tho, but def. sometime in November.)

 

[crisnnan98]

debs, interesting post. Do you, or anyone, know just how long Ron, Misty and youngsters were living at the motor home before Haleigh disappeared?
I'm interested because if Ron's new address wasn't well know, that may rule out the possibility of Haleigh being taken by someone who knew Ron and was there to get back at him for whatever reason. The fewer people to know Ron's current address, means the list of outside suspects is narrowed further.
Or, perhaps Ron was keeping his new address underwraps for whatever reason. Maybe he didn't want to be found by any outsiders. Just thinking.

I believe that they moved into that one in January. Not even two months.

 

[Crosby87]

I believe that they moved into that one in January. Not even two months.

In the tour of HaLeigh's home with her grandmother TN, Christmas stockings are hanging on the fireplace so I think they were living there before January. JMO.

 

[texasmommy39]

In the tour of HaLeigh's home with her grandmother TN, Christmas stockings are hanging on the fireplace so I think they were living there before January. JMO.

They moved into the trailer in November. I have no confirmed date as of yet, but, have been in search of move-in date and will post if I can confirm a correct date. If someone has a confirmed date of move-in Please post:angel: TYI.

 

[Malesherbes]

Ron and Misty moved in together into the Green Ln trailer, I highly doubt Crystal was ever in that home-

jmo

 

[curvecuti]

Again, I'm sure if RC didn't tell CS they had moved, the kids did. Assuming that MG was incorrect in her statement that CS had been in the home.

 

[DotsEyes]

There is no way I have ever thought for one second that RC or TN or AS knew anything at all about what happened to Haleigh. Never.

I don't understand all the bashing of this family. They have done nothing to deserve this hatred and suspicion.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

There is no way I have ever thought for one second that RC or TN or AS knew anything at all about what happened to Haleigh. Never.

I don't understand all the bashing of this family. They have done nothing to deserve this hatred and suspicion.

Sometimes when reading , I have to scroll up and make sure I'm at my favorite beloved websleuths. Never have I seen what you've described, even for the low down dirty perps we find to be true with guilt. Disturbing, as it's elevated into a realm of no good. Guess I placed my second home, lol, up on a pedestal. :blushing:

These grandmothers aren't involved in hiding or harming Haleigh. No matter what Ron and TN do, their scoured with scorn. But it's not the majority as the efforts in representing as so. Ron has held up fairly well considering Haleigh is missing, and from what I gather from his few statements on the subject, he's always believed someone came in and took her, even insider abduction, which explains his statements. And he oughta know, if there were threats, as he's indicated such. keeping my eyes on that aspect as a possibility.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Perhaps, Ron and TN have heaped concern on themselves by their actions. It is my feeling that if they were totally inocent their actions would have been different. Maybe I'm just jaded from watching so many cases like this. I feel genuine mistrust for these two.'
I don't know their exact involvement but the appearance of evil is there. Its not wrong to speak of your feelings, its wrong to pretend they are innocent bystanders when it could not possibly be so.

It is a wonderful and righteous thing to stand for truth and right. I always applaud that as I'm sure others on this thread do also. But, we are also given a mind with which to think and apply logic and thats all I'm trying to do.

 

[Pondering Mind]

said how Ron didn't want Crystal to know where he lived, "He didn't want Crystal to know where they lived for fear of what happened.. That is why he met at McDonalds in Palatke for the transfer for the weekend" whatever that means. Crystal DID go in the house AFTER Haleigh went missing so Marie's statement is not incorrect as Marie would have only been interviewed AFTER Haleigh disappeared from the previously undisclosed location. Also, who cares? Even if someone has been in your house that hardly means they know how dysfunctional your home is. People seldom engage in questionable behavior in front of visitors.

I remember him saying this as well Boytwnmom. As a matter of fact he made a point on several occasions to point that out. I suppose it would depend on the individual, as to whether they believe him. Also, I don't believe at HaLeigh and Jr's age that they would be able to tell Crystal where they lived, especially since they had just moved there. My grands are the same ages and while they are smart as a whip they wouldn't be able to direct someone to a new address. Perhaps they could say 'we moved and it's not far from where we did live', but that's about it. jmho

 

[curvecuti]

I remember him saying this as well Boytwnmom. As a matter of fact he made a point on several occasions to point that out. I suppose it would depend on the individual, as to whether they believe him. Also, I don't believe at HaLeigh and Jr's age that they would be able to tell Crystal where they lived, especially since they had just moved there. My grands are the same ages and while they are smart as a whip they wouldn't be able to direct someone to a new address. Perhaps they could say 'we moved and it's not far from where we did live', but that's about it. jmho

If you are referring to my post about the children telling CS they had moved, that's all I said, I did not say they told her the address. Although my daughter is only 9 days younger than Haleigh she was taught her address and phone @ 4 ys. old. I have no idea if Haleigh had been taught hers.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Perhaps, Ron and TN have heaped concern on themselves by their actions. It is my feeling that if they were totally inocent their actions would have been different. Maybe I'm just jaded from watching so many cases like this. I feel genuine mistrust for these two.'
I don't know their exact involvement but the appearance of evil is there. Its not wrong to speak of your feelings, its wrong to pretend they are innocent bystanders when it could not possibly be so.

It is a wonderful and righteous thing to stand for truth and right. I always applaud that as I'm sure others on this thread do also. But, we are also given a mind with which to think and apply logic and thats all I'm trying to do.

ITA PG! Speaking only for myself, I have never believed that TN or GGM had anything to do with HaLeigh's disappearance. While some do, it seems that those of us (me) that believe that Ron and Misty may very likely be culpable get lumped together with those that believe TN and GGM are as well. That said, I DO believe that TN and GGM know NOW at least a version (whatever story they were told) of what happened to HaLeigh and are trying to protect/cover-up (however one chooses to put it) Ron and Misty. Of course IMHO they are only protecting Misty by default, because to not do so would implicate Ron as well. I AM NOT bashing the grandmothers imo in any way whatsoever, only saying what I believe to be the truth. No different that anyone else I don't believe and certainly not asking or trying to convince anyone else of the same. :snooty: That's just MHO, nothing less, nothing more!

 

[Pondering Mind]

If you are referring to my post about the children telling CS they had moved, that's all I said, I did not say they told her the address. Although my daughter is only 9 days younger than Haleigh she was taught her address and phone @ 4 ys. old. I have no idea if Haleigh had been taught hers.

No, not refering to anyones post in particular curvecuti. Just saying that I don't believe that they would have known how to tell Crystal where they lived. It is very important as you have done, to teach your children their address, phone #, etc. as soon as they are able to learn it. But it sounds like you may have lived @ your address for a while, where HaLeigh had just moved shortly before her disappearance. My grands have lived at the same address since they were born, my grandson turned 5 in October and his sister 4 in September. They know their phone #, but I am not sure about the address, (I will have to ask them tomorrow just out of curiosity ) but there is no way that they would be able to tell someone HOW to get to their house. (not saying that you said that she could, just saying, KWIM?)

 

[elle1919]

They moved into the trailer in November. I have no confirmed date as of yet, but, have been in search of move-in date and will post if I can confirm a correct date. If someone has a confirmed date of move-in Please post:angel: TYI.

Here ya go Texasmommy!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top

The Bards spoke well of RC and their observations of life at 202 Green Lane. They rented to Ronald previously before he moved into their home on Green Lane. They were his landlord for both places. Mrs. Bard states that He moved into the trailer with his 2 children in November.

Hope that helps. Considering that the Christmas stockings were still on the mantle I knew it was more than 2 months since he had moved there.

 

[Malesherbes]

No, not refering to anyones post in particular curvecuti. Just saying that I don't believe that they would have known how to tell Crystal where they lived. It is very important as you have done, to teach your children their address, phone #, etc. as soon as they are able to learn it. But it sounds like you may have lived @ your address for a while, where HaLeigh had just moved shortly before her disappearance. My grands have lived at the same address since they were born, my grandson turned 5 in October and his sister 4 in September. They know their phone #, but I am not sure about the address, (I will have to ask them tomorrow just out of curiosity ) but there is no way that they would be able to tell someone HOW to get to their house. (not saying that you said that she could, just saying, KWIM?)

Well, hopefully Ron also taught her Annettes address so she can find her way back, if she can, I mean the fact Ronald moved from the spot she was taken, I just dont get it, how can he expect her at the door each morning if he up and moved from the last place she knew as home?

Its so ridiculous-

jmo

 

[elle1919]

I find it a little confusing that Ronald is being blamed for Crystal claiming to not know where the kids lived. Personally, if Ronald withheld an address from her, and that was not satisfactory to her and she wanted to find out where her children moved to or where they lived Crystal could have obtained that information for herself!

I find it disturbing that Crystal is being observed as so helpless and quite honestly stupid! If she wanted to know where her children lived she could have found out. If I didn't know where my children were I and was concerned about where they spent the greater portion of their time, there isn't anyone on the face of the earth that would prevent me from finding that out! I think Crystal was making changes in her life and was learning about being independent and taking responsibility in her life. She was not stupid and God forbid she is being viewed as the beaten down uneducated woman who couldn't find out where he children live. JMO

 

[curvecuti]

Well, hopefully Ron also taught her Annettes address so she can find her way back, if she can, I mean the fact Ronald moved from the spot she was taken, I just dont get it, how can he expect her at the door each morning if he up and moved from the last place she knew as home?

Its so ridiculous-

jmo

You are right, it is ridiculous. I think my kiddo is pretty smart but there is no way she could "find her way back" from anywhere. She could tell someone (an adult she knows or a LEO only) her address but finding her way home from some random place, no. I don't think Ron meant that he was going to find her all alone, just popped up @ the front door. I am sure he is hoping LE will come knocking w/ little Haleigh.

 

[stilettos]

I find it a little confusing that Ronald is being blamed for Crystal claiming to not know where the kids lived. Personally, if Ronald withheld an address from her, and that was not satisfactory to her and she wanted to find out where her children moved to or where they lived Crystal could have obtained that information for herself!

I find it disturbing that Crystal is being observed as so helpless and quite honestly stupid! If she wanted to know where her children lived she could have found out. If I didn't know where my children were I and was concerned about where they spent the greater portion of their time, there isn't anyone on the face of the earth that would prevent me from finding that out! I think Crystal was making changes in her life and was learning about being independent and taking responsibility in her life. She was not stupid and God forbid she is being viewed as the beaten down uneducated woman who couldn't find out where he children live. JMO

Learned helplessness.

 

[elle1919]

Learned helplessness.

Crystal wasn't involved with Ronald anymore. I don't think it is appropriate to make assumptions about her feelings. I am very clear on how she felt about Ronald while she was in a relationship with him. But she had been away from him long enough to make some changes in her life. She had another child and in my opinion embarked on an emotionally stable relationship with Chloe's father.

I know that there is a way to recover from what you have labeled as "learned helplessness". It's just my personal opinion that placing the blame on Ronald because Crystal didn't know where her children lived is inappropriate. If Crystal felt that her children were at risk and she didn't know where they lived and she wanted to find them, and even if she felt as if she didn't know how to go about getting that information because of learned helplessness, anyone of her family could have guided her in that endeavor.

 

[Wrangler]

I can not believe that anyone would think that RC or TN's tears are not real. They are missing their baby girl and are sad - no matter how she disappeared they are sad and worried sick.

Be kind to them. God forbid you should ever be in their shoes.

Haleigh - you are loved and you will be missed until the day your mommy and daddy die. I am sorry that someone took you away and ended your life. You were an angel on earth sweet baby girl, a gift from God Himself to all of us and we are less now that you are gone.

Yes, Ron and his mother had emotions that I'd expect. They cried real tears, not fake ones.

It seems that tunnel vision is a problem sometimes when these cases are discussed. I've changed my mind on a lot of cases. When Laci went missing, I thought her husband was innocent at first. Then more information came out and I saw him for the sociopath he is. More information about Ron has not come out. I read on the comments section of a newspaper down there about Ron not searching. Was he supposed to search? I thought the cops always told parents not to search because if they found evidence, it would be destroyed. look at JonBenet ramsey's case, the parents should have never searched her house or found her.