Ron C. # 12

[elle1919]

Elle, I do remember, but not which thread, it was back a good ways, where a discussion was going on about LE saying they would like to speak to Ronald again. Ronald pointedly
did not contact LE for months and the question was always, WHY.

My question was if Law Enforcement has stated that Ronald Cummings was not cooperating with police after August. I see the same article here:Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MEDIA / LINKS ONLY - No discussion

snip~Ronald ,told the Times-Union the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office focus was shortsighted.
Ronald and Misty said they gave dozens of hours of interviews in February and March, including her longest, which she said occurred just before the couple were married.
“I think the longest time I was in there was eight hours,” she said.


Maj. Gary Bowling, director LE, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted.

The interviews with Misty Cummings have produced different pictures, he said. She was alone with Cummings’ children the night Haleigh disappeared.

“We’ve said from day one Misty’s story is absolutely filled with inconsistencies,” Bowling said. ~end snip

The article states that the person they wish to interview was "Cummings" and when I read the article as it is written it is clear that he is talking about Misty Cummings.

In this post as well:Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Ron C. # 11

snip from post~The Sky has also learned that Misty Croslin-Cummings was asked again to come in for re-questioning in the child's disappearance. Misty now has an attorney and both have declined the request for futher quesioning. ~end snip Both meaning the lawyer and MC

once again they are talking about Misty Cummings.

In my opinion this is just another attempt to distort the very few facts that Law Enforcement has given. On Haleigh's birthday in August they stated for the first time that Ronald and Crystal were not considered suspects. I was looking for information that Ronald Cummings has not been cooperating with Law Enforcement since August. But ya know it is of no consequence really. People see what they want to see and the answers will come eventually. I see no need to continue putting all my focus into the things that were going on in August. We are now in November and unless there is a statement confirming RC is not cooperating I will extract myself from the discussion.

 

[MeoW333]

I just want one to explain to me how we are not to see red flags when the father of the missing child does not contact the LE for 5 months? What is a good reason for that? Just one....

We don't know whether or not Ron has contacted LE. Not even little thing gets throw out to us by the media. The media is not going to sit outside Ron's window and listen for his phone call.

If LE thought Ron was suspect, they would have said so. They said neigher Ron nor Crystal are suspects. Some people have a hard time accepting that LE said that.

LE wants Misty to tell the truth, not Ron. If they had any inkling that Ron was responsible, i'm sure LE and the media would have made it clear he's suspect.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I gotta go w LE's own statements as we've yet to hear them revise, reverse, retract nor anything from LE remotely refuting or updating their statement which indicates RC has resisted their invitation to be interviewed. I've substantiated my 'claim' and any more recent statement to the contrary is what remains to be posted. All I have seen since this is right afterward, Ron lawyered up. JMO

arrot:

 

[Pondering Mind]

I'm relying upon LE's own statements and release not conclusions or speculation. If anyone has proof to the contrary--a link quoting LE directly in which they themselves state they've since been completely satisfied w Ron's full cooperation--please post to substantiate, I'd sure appreciate seeing that. TIA!

arrot:

kiki, Yours is the first post I read when I logged on and without reading first to see how things are going on the WS home-front today, I'm posting anyway!. you know that can be mighty dangerous thing to do 'round the hood these days...... :truce:
I have to say.. ME TOO CHICA!
That's exactly what I am and have been waiting to hear...:blowkiss:..I want to hear LE say in NO uncertain terms.. NO carefully worded, ambiguous, mini/semi/side stepping statements that Ron Cummings is/has cooperated with them fully, answered every question that they had with what they perceive to be truthful statements and answers. I REALLY want to hear LE say that Ron Cummings has told them his honest 'breakdown of his hours that afternoon, night and that he arrived at PDM and reported for work from _ _:00 PM until _ _:00 AM and that they have confirmed that this is the case and that he would have no way of leaving undetected, etc., etc.
LE saying that they are "SATISFIED" with his hours that night and that he was at work is about as broad a statement as you can make IMVHO, that leaves So Much open to interpretation. It's MO only that it was worded that way on purpose. To me 'being satisfied' could very likely even mean that Ron told them he got to work late hypothetically, they have confirmed that but still have GGM seeing HaLeigh later in the evening, sooo, who really knows if LE ain't talking, ya know? Then of course that begs the question of 'IF thet believe everything that he has said, WHY haven't they laid all that out as being a FACT? It couldn't possibly hurt the case could it? IF in fact LE believes Ron to be completely innocent in his daughters disappearance, I don't see how it could. IF I were Ron Cummings I would be begging LE to PLEASE confirm my statements, hours, etc. to the public so that people would stop looking at me as a suspect and to please start looking elsewhere to help me find my daughter....but to my knowledge Ron hasn't done that......




Please Read: :truce: I AM NOT saying that's what happened, I truly don't know what I think of GGM's 'visit' that fateful night, I am just trying to explain my opinion of LE's 'being satisfied' of Ron's story. :angel:

 

[PorcineGranny]

Oh Pondering, such a to the point post! I agree 100 percent. This is in fact what we are all waiting for.

 

[Whisperer]

Ron has not been cooperating. He appeared once in August, with an attorney and it was made pretty clear they were there ONLY to discuss cell phone calls. If he was being cooperative, LE would be telling the media because that would put pressure on the real perp. If Misty harmed Haleigh and RC didn't know about it (unlikely) then clearing RC would be the obvious thing to do.

Kiki and others have more than proved their point that RC had not been cooperating with LE by their posts and links.

If RC were the guilty party, they would clear Misty. Looks to me like they both know something because they both have attorneys and neither are cleared.

 

[DotsEyes]

elle - thanks for the taped interview of Lt. Greenwood wherein he confirms that:

LE is confident that Haleigh was seen alive at around 7pm. He attributes this sighting to "he thinks the paternal grandmother" and then agrees with the reporter that the name is TN. I guess this name was said in error.

LE wants to know what happened between 7pm and when they got the call at 2:13am or right after 2 am. Another error?

Not a stranger abduction because the physical evidence is that there was no sign of forced entry and investigators question how a stranger could get into the house without leaving signs of forced entry somewhere.

No evidence to conclude that Haleigh is deceased, this is still a missing child case with a homicide investigator on the team just in case things turn out otherwise.

Tips are mostly opinions, suggestions and have gone down from many to few per day. Many were duplicate tips about things already investigated. Not a lot of tips with any real substance. Every tip is investigated.

All forensic evidence is with FDLE agent, they aren't waiting on test results, this is now old fashioned police work of interviewing, probing and following up on tips. Anyone associated in any way with anyone in the case who gets arrested, gets a visit from a member of the investigation team, requesting to talk about what they may know.

2:13am? Hour to an hour and a half ago? Or is this a mis-speak?

 

[Malesherbes]

We don't know whether or not Ron has contacted LE. Not even little thing gets throw out to us by the media. The media is not going to sit outside Ron's window and listen for his phone call.

If LE thought Ron was suspect, they would have said so. They said neigher Ron nor Crystal are suspects. Some people have a hard time accepting that LE said that.

LE wants Misty to tell the truth, not Ron. If they had any inkling that Ron was responsible, i'm sure LE and the media would have made it clear he's suspect.

Ron said he went months not talking or calling LE, it was in an interview right after he got out of jail, he admitted it- And I know enough about LE, and if they dont have a ton of forensic evidence of a crime, yet suspect someone, they aren't going to reveal their hand, that would be stupid-

jmo

 

[PorcineGranny]

Meow, No,LE would not have told anyone they were a suspect because when they attach a noun like that to a particular name, then the person named can be upset and cause all kinds of trouble. LE works undercover alot of times. They have said Ron and Crystal are not suspects because they don't have enough proof to sustain a charge. But, everyone is a suspect who is not absolutely cleared and I don't see Ron as being absolutely cleared because details of his evening have never been verified to my knowledge. In fact, I thought that they had said that no one other than the air conditioner guy is absolutely cleared and I don't know how they can even say that. And look, LE wants everyone to tell the truth, not just Misty. If everyone would tell the truth there would be no mystery. Misty is important because she was the person with Haleigh.

Heres what I think, if Misty knows and I believe she does, then Ron would know, cause he did agree to marry her and he did (protect/warn) her . And that also reminds me, in that situation stealth was employed to get information, don't you think a bigger plan could be in operation to find this child? As secretive as LE has been on releasing information, I have no doubt they are watching something and carefully waiting. These are just my opinions and are not meant to insult or beliittle any poster on this board.

 

[elle1919]

elle - thanks for the taped interview of Lt. Greenwood wherein he confirms that:

LE is confident that Haleigh was seen alive at around 7pm. He attributes this sighting to "he thinks the paternal grandmother" and then agrees with the reporter that the name is TN. I guess this name was said in error.

LE wants to know what happened between 7pm and when they got the call at 2:13am or right after 2 am. Another error?

Not a stranger abduction because the physical evidence is that there was no sign of forced entry and investigators question how a stranger could get into the house without leaving signs of forced entry somewhere.

No evidence to conclude that Haleigh is deceased, this is still a missing child case with a homicide investigator on the team just in case things turn out otherwise.

Tips are mostly opinions, suggestions and have gone down from many to few per day. Many were duplicate tips about things already investigated. Not a lot of tips with any real substance. Every tip is investigated.

All forensic evidence is with FDLE agent, they aren't waiting on test results, this is now old fashioned police work of interviewing, probing and following up on tips. Anyone associated in any way with anyone in the case who gets arrested, gets a visit from a member of the investigation team, requesting to talk about what they may know.

2:13am? Hour to an hour and a half ago? Or is this a mis-speak?

Your welcome Dots. It is always my intention to help. Your very last statement there about 2:13 am is one that I found interesting as well. I listened to the radio call and oddly enough there was also a mention of the hour to an hour and a half ago that pops up, but at this point in time I still have not 100% found the reason for that. It did however involve Tyler Street. I hope that as we pick apart all these press conferences and police statements we might be able to put the pieces together about how that Tyler Street reference and the 1 and 1 1/2 hour mention fits in there.

Especially now that Hankjr has placed himself outside the front door of 202 Gr Lane on the night that Haleigh went missing. Additional commentary since the story first came out:

1. No lights or tv on...no sound heard inside
2. No child answered the door
3. Last night I read this additional comment while searching for the LT Greenwood Statement, Hank jr went to a window and looked inside and didn't see anything or anyone.

All those are wonderful observations but would have been much more helpful on February 9th/10th 2009! I do not believe that Hank Croslin jr EVER submitted to a LDT and passed it. Not for a second. I would be truly interested in hearing if his wife took a LDT as well. All these people should have been grilled and re-grilled on the very night Haleigh went missing.

 

[elle1919]

Ron said he went months not talking or calling LE, it was in an interview right after he got out of jail, he admitted it- And I know enough about LE, and if they dont have a ton of forensic evidence of a crime, yet suspect someone, they aren't going to reveal their hand, that would be stupid-

jmo

Indeed Ronald did say that he went virtually months without speaking with Law Enforcement. I remember the article that you might be speaking of. Couldn't find it but i will keep looking. However I did find a very helpful article here: http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4781619.php

snip~Lt. Greenwood did clear up a question as to who was now in charge fo the investigation into Haleigh's disappearance. Greenwood told me that when the investigation first began, Detective John Merchant, who handles the department's murder investigations, and Detective Peggy Cone, who primarily deals with missing persons, worked together leading the case. He said that Merchant was more visible because he was seen in the media transporting people for questioning.

Greenwood said Friday that Detective Merchant is very busy with a couple of recent murders in the county and that Detective Cone is now seen more publicly as the investigator in charge of the Haleigh investigation.

Putnam County Sheriff's officials have stated repeatedly that no one has been cleared in the investigation.

I spoke recently with several of Haleigh's family members and each of them is expressing frustration at the slow movement in the case. One relative who has been virtually silent for months told me Friday night that if some level of satisfaction is not met in the next couple of days, that silence will likely be broken. ~ end snip

This article seems to verify that many of the family members of Haleigh Cummings were frustrated with the lack of movement and Greenwood acknowledged that lack of movement by explaining it away by sating there have been a couple of murders in the county and that has shifted their focus. Much more at the link I posted above.

ETA....very sorry, that article is from mid July....I just wanted to be clear for you.

 

[Malesherbes]

Indeed Ronald did say that he went virtually months without speaking with Law Enforcement. I remember the article that you might be speaking of. Couldn't find it but i will keep looking. However I did find a very helpful article here: http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4781619.php

snip~Lt. Greenwood did clear up a question as to who was now in charge fo the investigation into Haleigh's disappearance. Greenwood told me that when the investigation first began, Detective John Merchant, who handles the department's murder investigations, and Detective Peggy Cone, who primarily deals with missing persons, worked together leading the case. He said that Merchant was more visible because he was seen in the media transporting people for questioning.

Greenwood said Friday that Detective Merchant is very busy with a couple of recent murders in the county and that Detective Cone is now seen more publicly as the investigator in charge of the Haleigh investigation.

Putnam County Sheriff's officials have stated repeatedly that no one has been cleared in the investigation.

I spoke recently with several of Haleigh's family members and each of them is expressing frustration at the slow movement in the case. One relative who has been virtually silent for months told me Friday night that if some level of satisfaction is not met in the next couple of days, that silence will likely be broken. ~ end snip

This article seems to verify that many of the family members of Haleigh Cummings were frustrated with the lack of movement and Greenwood acknowledged that lack of movement by explaining it away by sating there have been a couple of murders in the county and that has shifted their focus. Much more at the link I posted above.

ETA....very sorry, that article is from mid July....I just wanted to be clear for you.

Ron finally started talking after he got arrested, a day after, focus on haleigh, not my behavior, blah, blah, blah-

There is no excuse for this mans disinterest in his missing child , not calling LE for 5 months is unforgivable and very suspicious-

jmo

 

[elle1919]

Ron finally started talking after he got arrested, a day after, focus on haleigh, not my behavior, blah, blah, blah-

There is no excuse for this mans disinterest in his missing child , not calling LE for 5 months is unforgivable and very suspicious-

jmo

I think your opinion is worth some time and thought. There were a good few months where all seemed quiet in the search and investigation into Haleigh Cummings disappearance. I found a news report : http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/040609_People_quiet_over_Haleigh_Cummings

that seemed to echo your question of why many stopped talking about Haleigh. Video at left of page interviewing people in the community that WERE NOT SURPRISED at the lack of movement in the case.

Also, about RC's apparent disinterest in his child, I have found an interesting article claiming that it was at Law Enforcement REQUEST that family members were not talking about the case to the press.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4816994.php?

from article: It has been over 5 months since the 5-year-old Satsuma girl was taken from her father’s Hermit Cove home of February 10, 2009.

Some new points that will be covered tonight on PRIME NEWS on HLN include:

* No 2nd FDLE Roundtable
* New Search Requested For a Property Near the Home Where Haleigh Was Taken
* Private Investigator Assembles New Team and Send Ground Units to TN to Follow Leads There—Believes Haleigh is Living There!
* Reports that LE is Urging Family Members to Refrain From Talking About the Case to the Press
* New Lead Investigator?
* Local Officials Receiving Emails Requesting Prompt and Responsible Action in Resolving the Case

I am also posting a link that you might not remember seeing or perhaps haven't seen.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/051409haleighs_father_makes_new_plea ......at link a video of Ronald asking people to continue looking for Haleigh dated May 14th

 

[Malesherbes]

I think your opinion is worth some time and thought. There were a good few months where all seemed quiet in the search and investigation into Haleigh Cummings disappearance. I found a news report : http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/040609_People_quiet_over_Haleigh_Cummings

that seemed to echo your question of why many stopped talking about Haleigh. Video at left of page interviewing people in the community that WERE NOT SURPRISED at the lack of movement in the case.

Also, about RC's apparent disinterest in his child, I have found an interesting article claiming that it was at Law Enforcement REQUEST that family members were not talking about the case to the press.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4816994.php?

from article: It has been over 5 months since the 5-year-old Satsuma girl was taken from her father’s Hermit Cove home of February 10, 2009.

Some new points that will be covered tonight on PRIME NEWS on HLN include:

* No 2nd FDLE Roundtable
* New Search Requested For a Property Near the Home Where Haleigh Was Taken
* Private Investigator Assembles New Team and Send Ground Units to TN to Follow Leads There—Believes Haleigh is Living There!
* Reports that LE is Urging Family Members to Refrain From Talking About the Case to the Press
* New Lead Investigator?
* Local Officials Receiving Emails Requesting Prompt and Responsible Action in Resolving the Case

I am also posting a link that you might not remember seeing or perhaps haven't seen.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/051409haleighs_father_makes_new_plea ......at link a video of Ronald asking people to continue looking for Haleigh dated May 14th

Right, but what is the good excuse that Ronald could not have been contacting LE at LEAST once a month for updates or any new info? A good parent would not just sit there and that would suffice for them-

 

[Pondering Mind]

Right, but what is the good excuse that Ronald could not have been contacting LE at LEAST once a month for updates or any new info? A good parent would not just sit there and that would suffice for them-

Mal, I have to say that while I know that we all act/react differently, I just can't imagine ANY parent of a missing child not sitting at the doorsteps of the Police Dept. demanding answers. Granted they may not get them..either because LE doesn't have them or will not divulge any info they do have (even to parents) but it speaks loudly and clearly to me when a parent is not pounding down the door that perhaps they already know the answers, ya know?... just sayin...


Also, re: another post (not sure who's :crazy I don't believe that LE will call anyone a 'suspect' (whether it be Ron, Ron/Misty, Crystal, SOD, etc.) until they have made an arrest or an arrest is imminent. That's jmo, but I also know (as does most everyone here) that is just how they operate, and with good reason. To do otherwise would be imo ....well...quite stoopid really...

 

[elle1919]

Right, but what is the good excuse that Ronald could not have been contacting LE at LEAST once a month for updates or any new info? A good parent would not just sit there and that would suffice for them-

:waitasec: What do you mean what is a good excuse? How do you know that Haleigh's parents were not contacting Law Enforcement about the investigation? TIA

 

[KOOL LOOK]

elle, your posts not only give us content but context. Which is the difference than innuendo, rumor and hearsay. I listened to a message this morning that got me back on focus. LOL The title was the "Sword of Slander", but the context was helpful and I am going to try to post this way in the future.

If Ron has his own theory or theories, surely he would, may also explain why he doesn't stay camped out at LE doorsteps also. Especially if they are contray to LE's beliefs. We've seen cases like this, even on tv, alls good when everyone suspects the same person, but if a family thinks outside LE's box of suspects, their not given much credibility. I've seen where family has to fight tooth and nail, hire their own investigators, investigate themselves until they prove and present such to LE.

 

[Pondering Mind]

elle, your posts not only give us content but context. Which is the difference than innuendo, rumor and hearsay. I listened to a message this morning that got me back on focus. LOL The title was the "Sword of Slander", but the context was helpful and I am going to try to post this way in the future.

If Ron has his own theory or theories, surely he would, may also explain why he doesn't stay camped out at LE doorsteps also. Especially if they are contray to LE's beliefs. We've seen cases like this, even on tv, alls good when everyone suspects the same person, but if a family thinks outside LE's box of suspects, their not given much credibility. I've seen where family has to fight tooth and nail, hire their own investigators, investigate themselves until they prove and present such to LE.

KOOL, I guess my point is; It wouldn't matter to me what LE's beliefs are. (as I said I realize that people are different, but THIS different?) If I had NOTHING whatsoever to do with my childs disappearance, it wouldn't matter if I thought I was suspect #1, I would not leave them alone until they answered some of MY questions. I would have to be escorted off LE's property and would probably still go to jail for trespassing! Would you not? In all seriousness KOOL, would you care whether LE's beliefs and yours were different? Would that actually keep you away? That's where I am having a HUGE problem in all this mess.

 

[elle1919]

elle, your posts not only give us content but context. Which is the difference than innuendo, rumor and hearsay. I listened to a message this morning that got me back on focus. LOL The title was the "Sword of Slander", but the context was helpful and I am going to try to post this way in the future.

If Ron has his own theory or theories, surely he would, may also explain why he doesn't stay camped out at LE doorsteps also. Especially if they are contray to LE's beliefs. We've seen cases like this, even on tv, alls good when everyone suspects the same person, but if a family thinks outside LE's box of suspects, their not given much credibility. I've seen where family has to fight tooth and nail, hire their own investigators, investigate themselves until they prove and present such to LE.

Thank you KOOL, I do have to say though that while it might be true that there were a few months where it appeared as if there were no movement on Haleigh's case, a quick look into the Media Links Thread that Angel Who Cares continuously and with careful and thorough concern, added any news article that covered Haleigh Cummings case. So there is many news article from February through the present that give an accurate account as to what was happening monthly regardless of how busy Haleigh's forum was. I am very thankful to her.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Mal, I have to say that while I know that we all act/react differently, I just can't imagine ANY parent of a missing child not sitting at the doorsteps of the Police Dept. demanding answers. Granted they may not get them..either because LE doesn't have them or will not divulge any info they do have (even to parents) but it speaks loudly and clearly to me when a parent is not pounding down the door that perhaps they already know the answers, ya know?... just sayin...


Also, re: another post (not sure who's :crazy I don't believe that LE will call anyone a 'suspect' (whether it be Ron, Ron/Misty, Crystal, SOD, etc.) until they have made an arrest or an arrest is imminent. That's jmo, but I also know (as does most everyone here) that is just how they operate, and with good reason. To do otherwise would be imo ....well...quite stoopid really...

It wouldn't matter to me what LE's beliefs are. (as I said I realize that people are different, but THIS different?) If I had NOTHING whatsoever to do with my childs disappearance, it wouldn't matter if I thought I was suspect #1, I would not leave them alone until they answered some of MY questions. I would have to be escorted off LE's property and would probably still go to jail for trespassing! Would you not? In all seriousness KOOL, would you care whether LE's beliefs and yours were different? Would that actually keep you away? That's where I am having a HUGE problem in all this mess.

You know Pondering I suppose it might appear a little silly and disingenuous to demand answers from LE when you haven't provided the answers LE needs to do their utmost to find your child... :waitasec: Given there's been nothing reported by LE to the contrary since their statements indicating Ron was resisting their efforts I can imagine he might feel a little sheepish in the absence of his own full cooperation. :blushing:

arrot: