Ron C. # 12

[cajun]

The attention was taken away from HALEIGH prior to the engagement and wedding. How about back in February when Crystal publicly accused Ron of abuse. That was the start of the CIRCUS that this case has become. That was when it stopped being about HaLeigh.

Let's be clear, I do not care for the marriage, but that did not stop anyone from finding HaLeigh. That did not keep the media talking for months on end the way the abuse allegations did.

People keep forgetting HaLeigh in all the DRAMA surrounding her family. SAD!

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[stilettos]

The attention was taken away from HALEIGH prior to the engagement and wedding. How about back in February when Crystal publicly accused Ron of abuse. That was the start of the CIRCUS that this case has become. That was when it stopped being about HaLeigh.

Let's be clear, I do not care for the marriage, but that did not stop anyone from finding HaLeigh. That did not keep the media talking for months on end the way the abuse allegations did.

People keep forgetting HaLeigh in all the DRAMA surrounding her family. SAD!

The last person (supposedly) who saw HaLeigh and the rest of the family have often taken the attention off of HaLeigh...why...assaulting folks, headless rats, Chili's engagement parties, strippers...seems like Dad has a bit more on his mind than finding HaLeigh. MOO

 

[stilettos]

The attention was taken away from HALEIGH prior to the engagement and wedding. How about back in February when Crystal publicly accused Ron of abuse. That was the start of the CIRCUS that this case has become. That was when it stopped being about HaLeigh.

Let's be clear, I do not care for the marriage, but that did not stop anyone from finding HaLeigh. That did not keep the media talking for months on end the way the abuse allegations did.

People keep forgetting HaLeigh in all the DRAMA surrounding her family. SAD!

Why not blame the family creating the DRAMA and ask what purpose would they have to do so?

 

[Donjeta]

The attention was taken away from HALEIGH prior to the engagement and wedding. How about back in February when Crystal publicly accused Ron of abuse. That was the start of the CIRCUS that this case has become. That was when it stopped being about HaLeigh.

Let's be clear, I do not care for the marriage, but that did not stop anyone from finding HaLeigh. That did not keep the media talking for months on end the way the abuse allegations did.

People keep forgetting HaLeigh in all the DRAMA surrounding her family. SAD!

How did the abuse allegations stop people from finding Haleigh? The media talking kept her face in the media. For that matter, the wedding and the other drama did too. I haven't seen Adji for a while... No drama in the family?

While the things that happen in Haleigh's extended family may be offputting to many people IMO it makes little damage to the prospects of her being found. If she's alive any media attention may be a good thing as more people remember how she looks and stand a chance of recognizing her.

If she's dead it makes little difference. The circus around the family doesn't make anybody more or less likely to stumble on her remains.

In case the family knows where she is or what happened the drama may eventually yield a clue.

 

[Whisperer]

Florida has very strict rules....it does not mean LE goes out and gets these guys for stat rape. RC was in a bind because of the media. They would have a field day with this one.

Yes, once again, RC got a pass. As I stated before, LE would come off as "Hitler" if they took RC into cusody for stat rape when his child was just missing. Saying this, they likely could have come after him later; BUT RC solved that problem by marrying the one who could charge him anytime she felt like it.

 

[atherella]

How did the abuse allegations stop people from finding Haleigh? The media talking kept her face in the media. For that matter, the wedding and the other drama did too. I haven't seen Adji for a while... No drama in the family?

While the things that happen in Haleigh's extended family may be offputting to many people IMO it makes little damage to the prospects of her being found. If she's alive any media attention may be a good thing as more people remember how she looks and stand a chance of recognizing her.

If she's dead it makes little difference. The circus around the family doesn't make anybody more or less likely to stumble on her remains.

In case the family knows where she is or what happened the drama may eventually yield a clue.

BBM

Once the abuse allegations came out, people stopped talking about HALEIGH ANN-MARIE CUMMINGS and started talking about Ron.

Sure, her face was flashed on tv once in awhile during those interviews, but think back on them for a minute. Remember all those interviews that Crystal did? Can you find one after she made those allegations where she talked about her missing daughter? Can you find her beg for her daughter's return? No. Because she was talking about other subjects when the attention should have remained ONLY on HaLeigh.

After Crystal took it further and made allegations against the children, Marc Klaas even told her that was the wrong path to take.

BBM

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, yes, but what are we talking about here? You know, my heart is sinking as I listen to all of this. And what`s left of my heart, Crystal, goes out to you. Because I understand what it`s like to lose a child. And I understand the fear and the pain that one goes through during the investigation.

But this path that you`re headed upon now is a complete distraction from the point at hand. And this is something that Ron continually reminds people. Find Haleigh. Don`t take the focus off of Haleigh. And what you`re doing now, if it`s true, has a place. But that place is not to be prosecuting this guy on national TV. This is something that should be done in private.

GRACE: But wait a minute. Hold on, Marc Klaas.

KLAAS: Yes.

GRACE: If there was physical abuse in the home, if.

KLAAS: OK.

GRACE: That`s a big if.

KLAAS: It sure is.

GRACE: But if there was.

KLAAS: Yes, it is.

GRACE: . doesn`t that put the disappearance of Haleigh in a different light to you?

KLAAS: I`m not going to go there. I mean, this little girl`s gone. And there`s no -- I have -- I have no expectation that Ron is involved in the disappearance of his little girl. I mean he`s been awfully consistent.

GRACE: You know what, you`re absolutely correct, Marc.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html

On Sunday night, Mark Furhman even said that the big reason that HaLeigh has not received the media attention she deserves is because of this cast of "characters". Look back early in the case, rumors about Misty didn't come out right away... nothing about Ron until Crystal started her abuse allegations.

Like I said before, I don't think anyone has behaved exemplary. But I am not in their shoes and I thank God for that every day.

As for the other posts addressing mine, I will not address RUMORS up here and things that have not EVER been proven. There are all sorts of rumors about BOTH sides of the family, but I don't think that they need to be addressed.

 

[Whisperer]

The fact is when RC came under scrutiny, it took nothing away from any investigation for a missing child. The media talked some but LE didn't. They were looking for Haleigh.

What it did take away is Ron's status and character. That is what got him so up in arms and he started saying, "This is taking away from Haleigh"....a regular mantra when things are focused on any of his personal issues or really any question he doesn't feel like answering.

Mark Furhman got it right. This is an unsavory group of characters. In that I am referring to the Cummings and the Croslins.

 

[Donjeta]

It may not have been a good choice for Crystal and her then-attorney to make the abuse allegations but IMO, again it makes little difference whether people are talking about abuse allegations, Ron or Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings when it comes to the chances of her being found as long as her face is flashed on the screen every now and then. If she's been buried somewhere the face doesn't help either.

I think it's been established that she didn't go missing on her own so talking about her and only her non-stop is not going to reveal many clues as to where she might be now. She's the victim and didn't decide to run away and hide with a friend or live on the street the way older children might. The clues about her whereabouts are going to be with the perp and talking about the perp might help to find her. Only that is a bit difficult not knowing the perp's identity.

There is no shortage of oddly behaving characters in the extended family, however, and in case any one of them knows anything that might be useful, I say let them air their dirty laundry.

The biggest drawback is the innocent children that are involved via their relatives and may get hurt by it.

BBM

Once the abuse allegations came out, people stopped talking about HALEIGH ANN-MARIE CUMMINGS and started talking about Ron.

Sure, her face was flashed on tv once in awhile during those interviews, but think back on them for a minute. Remember all those interviews that Crystal did? Can you find one after she made those allegations where she talked about her missing daughter? Can you find her beg for her daughter's return? No. Because she was talking about other subjects when the attention should have remained ONLY on HaLeigh.

After Crystal took it further and made allegations against the children, Marc Klaas even told her that was the wrong path to take.

BBM

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html

On Sunday night, Mark Furhman even said that the big reason that HaLeigh has not received the media attention she deserves is because of this cast of "characters". Look back early in the case, rumors about Misty didn't come out right away... nothing about Ron until Crystal started her abuse allegations.

Like I said before, I don't think anyone has behaved exemplary. But I am not in their shoes and I thank God for that every day.

As for the other posts addressing mine, I will not address RUMORS up here and things that have not EVER been proven. There are all sorts of rumors about BOTH sides of the family, but I don't think that they need to be addressed.

 

[debs]

The attention was taken away from HALEIGH prior to the engagement and wedding. How about back in February when Crystal publicly accused Ron of abuse. That was the start of the CIRCUS that this case has become. That was when it stopped being about HaLeigh.

Let's be clear, I do not care for the marriage, but that did not stop anyone from finding HaLeigh. That did not keep the media talking for months on end the way the abuse allegations did.

People keep forgetting HaLeigh in all the DRAMA surrounding her family. SAD!

allegations of abuse at least address the living conditions Haleigh and Jr are subjected to, while a public proposal and a sold-for-profit wedding serves only the two involved.

 

[Whisperer]

Well, all RC had to do was step up to the plate, put on his big boy pants and drag Misty to LE. Instead he marries and lies to people, telling them he is doing so for Haleigh. Did anyone believe that one? The fact is Ronald Cummings brought ALL of the drama on himself by his actions and his inactions concerning his wanting to know who took his daughter. In fact, has he ever asked?

Another point if that if any of us were Crystal, you can bet your Booty you would be doing anything you could to save your child that was still living in the environment where a sibling goes missing and the GF of the father appears to by lying about the circumstances.

I think this action and hatred on Crystal for doing what any mother would do to save the remaining child is what causes all the heartache and anger on forums. Some people just hate her for doing the right thing. She wasn't lying, she was finally getting up the nerve because she had a legal voice by her side to help.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I was involved for the two weeks upon the headline news Haleigh went missing. I left. Only did my ears get tweeked was with the Mothers allegations of physical abuse towards Ron. Then I really turned away and decided I'm not getting involved in the drama. Too convenient to holler "abuse" from a non custodial Mother who didn't even know what time her daughters school hours were. I wasn't lending my heart to such obvious manuevering.

Children are abused, but not at the convenience of a parent. Their abused, when no one but a loving care taker is tending and watching to their little lives notices, they report then. I feel as Mark Klaas, the allegations were a total shift into the ditch this case didn't need to take. No wisdom on behalf of those involved.

 

[Whisperer]

She knows about abuse, that's for sure. She may not know the exact school hours since she was not given the pleasure of having her children or being allowed to see them during school hours. Haleigh had only been in school a few months when the caregivers lost her.

Not living local, one wouldn't k know or would be expected to know the childs' hours. She knew approx. time not exact minute but to state in the context that is was, is wrong. What? do you think she had a daily conversation over tea with someone like RC.

You state no wisdom on Crystal's behalf? Was she supposed to let Jr stay there AFTER RC's underage minor GF loses her one child. Good Grief! I would hope some of you would never want your remaining child to be in the hands of somebody like Misty. RC caused this, he brought her into his home. Crystal did not know her age, I bet....or she beleived the stories that TN put out there which she most likely told CS also.

 

[elle1919]

So you are thinking that Ronald Cummings places more trust in his own vast intellect and detetive skills than the FBI, FDLE and PCSO? I call that over confident in very little and delusional.

Or perhaps he has seen first hand the way things are handled in Satsuma. Maybe not, just a thought. I can remember a handful or so of people here with the opinion that Ronald thought himself very clever.

 

[elle1919]

But it was high on the list of Ron and Misty's priorities, so much so that they had a public engagement and wedding they sold exclusive video rights to. It should have been about finding Haleigh; I agree.

No disrespect intended debs but it really shouldn't matter how high Haleigh was on Ronald's list of priorities. What difference should that make to Law Enforcement investigators? If the investigators that were working on the Caylee Anthony case waited for Casey's family to cooperate with the investigation , Caylee might have never been found.

 

[elle1919]

It may not have been a good choice for Crystal and her then-attorney to make the abuse allegations but IMO, again it makes little difference whether people are talking about abuse allegations, Ron or Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings when it comes to the chances of her being found as long as her face is flashed on the screen every now and then. If she's been buried somewhere the face doesn't help either.

I think it's been established that she didn't go missing on her own so talking about her and only her non-stop is not going to reveal many clues as to where she might be now. She's the victim and didn't decide to run away and hide with a friend or live on the street the way older children might. The clues about her whereabouts are going to be with the perp and talking about the perp might help to find her. Only that is a bit difficult not knowing the perp's identity.

There is no shortage of oddly behaving characters in the extended family, however, and in case any one of them knows anything that might be useful, I say let them air their dirty laundry.

The biggest drawback is the innocent children that are involved via their relatives and may get hurt by it.

Donjeta, this is a very thoughtful post. I agree with many things you said. You are right, there is no shortage of characters or their dirty laundry. But, on the flip side of your post, the history of all these people and how they intertwine with one another could be the very reason that people might not look for Haleigh, or get involved if they thought that maybe they saw something important to the investigation. I think the public's perception has so much to do with whether or not a missing child will be found or a perpetrator caught. After all is said and done, when people are sitting down watching the news or driving by a billboard and they see Haleigh's beautiful, smiling face looking back at them, what are they thinking? I am sure many think that hope is gone. That perhaps Haleigh was taken as a drug debt or stolen away in a bitter custody battle. I believe in my heart that most of the people that surrounded Haleigh had things in their past that they weren't proud of. I believe it has taken away from Haleigh and her chances of ever being found.

Take Haleigh's forum for instance, It seems like 75% of the great minds that Haleigh had contributing to this forum have gone away. I don't think they are absent because they don't care anymore whether or not Haleigh is found, It's emotionally charged and dramatic here. I don't know....it's just how I feel.

 

[kiki the parrot]

And *I* suggest it is because when the public, search organizations and those on this or other websites, sense a victim's family isn't being straight--that the innermost circle isn't cooperating fully nor being forthcoming themselves w LE and the investigation--they eventually grow frustrated and weary of those games and wild goose chases and become reluctant to continue pouring energy, resources, time or manpower into what begins to look to all the world a disingenuous endeavor. It is sad but true that even where justice for innocent children is concerned, most people are inclined to help those who at least appear to be helping themselves and to be genuinely in search of the truth. Or at least not working at cross purposes... but there is an empty seat in Haleigh's classroom and many forever endeared by her unforgettable bright smile. And true advocacy for a defenseless child is w/out measure, or strings. Please let Haleigh be found, and God's angels surround Junior. JMO
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[debs]

No disrespect intended debs but it really shouldn't matter how high Haleigh was on Ronald's list of priorities. What difference should that make to Law Enforcement investigators? If the investigators that were working on the Caylee Anthony case waited for Casey's family to cooperate with the investigation , Caylee might have never been found.

Because Haleigh is his daughter, she should have been at the top of his list of priorities, even moreso once she disappeared from his home. To couch a public engagement and a sold-for-exclusive-rights wedding video as "what Haleigh would have wanted" says to me that LE's focus has been accurate from the beginning. At Misty and Ronald.

 

[texasmommy39]

Good Morning Elle,
I agree with you about the public perception and it being distorted since the very beginning because of the rumors and lies that have been started and circulated. I can only speak for my self and say I believe that HaLeigh is still alive and being hidden somewhere and it is discouraging to realize that many are hung up on convicting someone now without all the facts (not fictitious rumors and hearsay) instead of diligently looking at all until all the facts are revealed or ferreted out to reveal the undeniable TRUTH about who, how and why and WHERE IS HALEIGH.
Maybe we should PM all the WS'ers that have stopped stopping by and :angel: ask for their help to sleuth and uncover what has been hidden for way to long... HaLeigh. IT IS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[elle1919]

Well no matter what others might think, I know there are a number of reasons why many choose not to contribute and I do not need anyone to approve my post with a thanks at the bottom of it to continue MY contribution or search for the truth about where Haleigh might be. I don't post my opinions to see how many people agree with me and I don't change my opinions about Ronald or Crystal because someone else thinks it is a disingenuous stance. I represent myself and my own feelings and you can accuse me of working at cross purposes all you wish, just because you say it doesn't make it so.

I assure you that I mean every word I say and I am trying to represent Haleigh Cummings. In my opinion there are a number of people in Haleigh's world that might have made a difference in her life, perhaps made different choices to change the outcome of where she is, but identifying all of those choices and assigning a measure of guilt to them is not going to bring Haleigh home or turn back the clock.

I make no excuse for Haleigh's father who, in my opinion, placed his wants and needs in life over that of his children. Likewise I make no excuse for Haleigh's mother who, in my opinion, placed her wants and needs before that of her children. Neither is more or less guilty because Haleigh deserved 100% from the both of them. If Haleigh were not safe because of a lifestyle that Ronald was living it was the job of her mother to make things right for her children. If the mother and father were not doing right by their children their grandmother or grandfather could have intervened at any time and requested that a court of law look out for the best interests of their grandchildren. By my count there were 4, or more, biological, blood ties that should have recognized that something wasn't exactly right in Haleigh and Rj's home. If the mother or father were not doing right by their children and their grandparents failed to see that their livelihood was in jeopardy then there were doctors and school teachers and bus drivers and neighbors that I am sure are cursing themselves in remembrance of something they might have seen, or heard, or God forbid was told or witnessed occurring at a bus stop!

Let's not forget the role of The Department of Children and Families Services who apparently had been involved in the structure of Haleigh and RJ's household or the judge that placed the children in their father's care. Do you think he lies awake in bed at night wondering where Haleigh would be if he made a different decision? Maybe so maybe no. But, if we are at the stage in this investigation for assigning blame lets really assign the blame. In my opinion, EVERYONE could have made a difference BUT NO-ONE DID. .....This is my opinion and if you wish to accuse me of working at CROSS PURPOSES, perhaps I should stop trying to speak out in support of these parents that have yet to be accused of any wrong doing whatsoever in the disappearance of their daughter and start questioning the actions of every loved one that failed to see that a tragedy was close at hand.

I am positive my post pleases no-one, and I apologize if I have offended anyone. But, at least I have stayed true to myself and my own opinion.

 

[debs]

Well no matter what others might think, I know there are a number of reasons why many choose not to contribute and I do not need anyone to approve my post with a thanks at the bottom of it to continue MY contribution or search for the truth about where Haleigh might be. I don't post my opinions to see how many people agree with me and I don't change my opinions about Ronald or Crystal because someone else thinks it is a disingenuous stance. I represent myself and my own feelings and you can accuse me of working at cross purposes all you wish, just because you say it doesn't make it so...................
*snipped respectfully*

I'm certain no one is attempting to silence opinions on this forum, even if those opinions are diametrically opposed.

I also would consider that everyone who contributes does so with Haleigh in the forefront of their minds.

It is with great pangs of sorrow that we have passed day 265 and this case is no closer to being resolved.