Ron C. #3

[seekjustice]

Hi seekjustice. It was dicussed earlier. Some people say it's from fights and other say it's from work. I guess we just don't know.

Thanks, I will work my way back then

 

[Indigo]

In any child abduction investigation there's always a parallel investigation tha's conducted, which includes the reporting parent(s) or person. This is what LE does, and if we're sleuths that's what we do.

Hopefully, members on both sides of Haleigh's family will understand that all we care about is finding this little girl and that's why these things come up on this forum.

 

[CHICANA]

Police and medical records and photographs would be pertinent to accusing Ron of abuse.

My ex used to beat me and there are no pictures or medical records (at least not that say I was beaten) but I was beaten. My ex wrote a lot of hot checks and there were checks that he had signed and cashed.
There's a difference between tangible and non-tangible evidence.
The party that issued the check should have the check # and can easily find out if it was cashed and get a copy to see who signed. They can even compare signatures. Bruises can be hidden and battered women don't always go to the police. But they are battered.

 

[Aries72]

Hi seekjustice. It was dicussed earlier. Some people say it's from fights and other say it's from work. I guess we just don't know.

I also saw earlier (can't remember which thread) where someone said that he could get injured like that working a crane/building bridges/landscaping.

My question is...do we know if he was working at PDM OR what kind of work he was in when those photos were taken? Haleigh looks alot younger in those pics...maybe around 3 yrs old.

Honestly, I've never seen someone's eye look like that after being in a fight but then again, I not around many people that fight. It just doesn't look like a typical black eye. To me, it looks more like an injury... maybe from a car accident or something.

 

[CHICANA]

I think the point that everyone is asking..What Lifestyle are you talking about? Where he works 5 days a week? Where he takes his daughter to the bus stop and she holds onto him dearly? You see these are things that are PROVEN by pictures. What isn't PROVEN is that he is a drug dealer NOW, that the people he hangs out with are BAD. Nope not 1 picture, not 1 link of any recent charges against him but yet you state "lifestyle and choice of girlfriend (all of them, for that matter) put her at risk. And I believe he has a propensity toward violence and intimidation." His lifestyle is all "rumors" right now and until I see something concrete otherwise I will still look at him as a victim of a terrible crime!

Then there are all the criminal charges that were filed against him plus the felony he committed on a daily basis by being with a minor ( according to Florida law anyway). His girlfriend's SO cousin visited the house shortly before Haleigh went missing. Most people don't take pictures while they're abusing their children or beating their wives/girlfriends. Back in the day when I still spoke to my family members there were some huge arguments and even some knock down fights among my nephews, but darn, nobody thought to videotape it or get pictures. We have a ton of smiling family photos and very merry Christmas videos, before all hell broke loose. His charges aren't rumors and if Crystal says he beat her then there's a witness to the abuse.

 

[skippi]

Did you know he has a 2nd job as a landscaper? Clearing brush will do that also. I have seen hundreds of meth users, Ron does not look at all like one.

Agreed, not in all of his pics, but there are some that look like meth use...just sayin'

Thanks for that info concerning the landscaping/brush cuts et. al I still think that is one of the drugs that Putnam county has a huge problem with. I am basing my opinion of knowing what meth users faces generally look like. JMO

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I saw the shows yesterday and saw no mention of the pastor taking Ron to get the tattoo. I've heard that nowhere else, either, and considering the interest that would have raised, I strongly suspect the poster here simply misspoke.

What was said was that Ron had become emotional the night before, so his mother called the pastor to come speak to him.

Some people online have understandably speculated that the pastor might have also advised him to get away from the tents, but that's the extent of it, AFAIK.

Thank you ! It's always good to focus on the facts rather than on speculation.

What we know as fact is Ron got tattoos of his children in Pinellas Park on Monday.

What we don't know as fact are:

1. Why he chose that particulat tattoo parlor on that particular day to get a tattoo ?

Posters have speculated that his pastor, his mother, even LE recommended he just take a break and get away that day. Certainly possible, but not fact. Other posters have speculated that the trip could have been a drug pick-up or drop-off. Possible, a stretch, but possible, although still not fact. Finally, others have speculated that the trip was to meet with an intermediary who had knowledge of Hayleigh's whereabouts. Again, possible, but not fact.

2. Who paid for his tattoos ?

"Someone/s" allegedly called the tattoo parlor and were told that an anonymous couple, regular patrons of the parlor, paid for the tattoo in advance. Again, possible, but not fact. The "someones" have neither come forward nor been identified.

3. How Ron was notified of the donation and the requirement that he travel to Pinellas park to take advantage of it ? A poster speculated that he had been called by "someone". Speculation, not fact.

IMO, this is the most important of these three unknowns because the potential for Hayleigh's location has now moved outside of the Satsuma area. Who contacted Ron would probably answer #1 and #2. Most importantly, it could lead to, or eliminate, sources of info about her current location. Isn't the reason for our involvement concern about Hayleigh's whereabouts ?

IMO we're not hear to take up sides in this family feud. Don't you think that Hayleigh has had to deal with that feud long enough ? Let's not let the feud derail a penetrating look for, and at, all the facts relevant to this forum.

 

[Busylady]

I think the injuries are from road rash or something like a 4 wheeler accident, if you look at the other photos there are the same kind of injuries on his arm and hand, but not his knuckles.

 

[Busylady]

The pastor explained the tattoo on the JVM show last night. There are post around about it. So there is some info about the tattoo that is not speculation.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

When I said, "I believe..." it means...IMO. I do believe they probably contacted Ronald because how would he know if a couple of people offered to pay for a tat if they didn't?! It is a logical conclusion, IMO. I know Ronald wasn't calling around to Tattoo parlors asking if people paid for a tat for him!

Nooooo, I argree, he wasn't randomly calling tattoo parlors across Florida checking for an unknown benefactor.

But we really don't know, as fact, whether the tattoo parlor contacted Ron, if the anonymous donors contacted Ron directly or if someone else acted as an intermediary. I'd like to know if there was an intermediary.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

The pastor explained the tattoo on the JVM show last night. There are post around about it. So there is some info about the tattoo that is not speculation.

Can you please point me to that information ?

 

[RR0004]

Numerous drug arrests: Yeah years ago, everyone grows up. I have had some employees who have had drug arrest in their teens but now they are responsible young adults. Once again, it's called growing up.

Dating teenagers after an age in which it is socially acceptable and legal- Well let's see, my husband is 6 years older than me which when I was 17 he was 23. It was socially acceptable back then. As long as all parties are agreed to the relationship (parents included) it's NONE of our business.

Calling his girlfriend a during the 911 call and again when he spoke to the press the next day- As a person who does not swear in everyday life..I probably would've said the same thing. I wonder how many posters on here have called their SO an a**hole or worse when they were angry? I know I have.

Yes Ron may do some socially unacceptable things however it doesn't even come close to placing the blame on him for the diappearence of Haleigh. It doesn't make it right for people to state rumors about him and hold against him things he did 3 years ago.

My son who is the same age as Ron probably would come across as being socially unacceptable because he doesn't like to play the games. He says it like it is and yes probably would throw in a few choice words. Does that make him bad? No.

You may have inside information however that doesn't make it true. I have relatives that I cannot stand and could talk about the awful things they have done however others in my family choose to see the good in them and accepts them at face value. I let them make the choice themselves without throwing my feelings into the mix. I am not always right.

I agree with a lot of what you say. But what I highlighted, is not acceptable ever IMO. Abuse comes in many shapes or forms...it's not always physical.
We examine everything here...including the behavior of those involved. This very well may say a lot about RC, but as you said it could have absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance...or maybe it does. It's not to be ignored. Just another piece of the puzzle. I welcome input from anyone who has direct contact with the parties or connected to the area. It's up to us (and of course LE) to sift through EVERYTHING. You never do know where you'll find the the one puzzle piece that holds the answer to 'Where is Haleigh?" JMHO

ETA: My highlight: the way he talked to his gf.

 

[Busylady]

The discussion starts on post 6 of this thread. I am trying to find the original post from the viewer who watched the JVM show and posted the information, but post are scattered all over the place but I will keep looking.

Can you please point me to that information ?

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

The discussion starts on post 6 of this thread. I am trying to find the original post from the viewer who watched the JVM show and posted the information, but post are scattered all over the place but I will keep looking.

Thank you so much. I'll gladly edit my post to add any facts we assemble.

 

[RR0004]

In any child abduction investigation there's always a parallel investigation tha's conducted, which includes the reporting parent(s) or person. This is what LE does, and if we're sleuths that's what we do.

Hopefully, members on both sides of Haleigh's family will understand that all we care about is finding this little girl and that's why these things come up on this forum.

Perfectly said.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I believe the parallel investigations ongoing in this situation are missing person and homicide. (DCF enters in on both sides of the investigation concerning neglect being the possible cause.)

They look for motive, opportunity, manner, and other factors which tie directly to the crime. Who, what, when, where, and why? We only know Haleigh turned up missing after late evening and before 3:27 am.

LE will always look at the inner circle first. This began with Ronald and Misty then extended out to Crystal.

Ronald did not have a motive. If LE found he was indeed at work, he did not have an opportunity. This would make him a remote suspect. The manner and other factors relative to this crime are still unknown since LE has not released them. His family and associations would be put into the #3 suspect category.

Misty did not have a motive that is known. She did have a window of opportunity, however, as she was the last person known to have seen Haleigh alive. She would move up to the #1 suspect.

Crystal had a definite motive. We don't know about opportunity because no one is talking about where Crystal was other than being called at 3:49 am supposedly at home. We do not know when the actual crime occurred and so she could have a window of opportunity, too. She moved into #2 suspect.

From here, you have to look at the top two suspects who do or could have a motive. It would be their associations and families who stand apart from others in the case since they may not have acted alone.

The #3 suspect would be the unknown: a stranger/friend/associate/family. Unknown motive. Unknown opportunity.

 

[RR0004]

Thank you ! It's always good to focus on the facts rather than on speculation.

What we know as fact is Ron got tattoos of his children in Pinellas Park on Monday.

What we don't know as fact are:

1. Why he chose that particulat tattoo parlor on that particular day to get a tattoo ?

Posters have speculated that his pastor, his mother, even LE recommended he just take a break and get away that day. Certainly possible, but not fact. Other posters have speculated that the trip could have been a drug pick-up or drop-off. Possible, a stretch, but possible, although still not fact. Finally, others have speculated that the trip was to meet with an intermediary who had knowledge of Hayleigh's whereabouts. Again, possible, but not fact.

2. Who paid for his tattoos ?

"Someone/s" allegedly called the tattoo parlor and were told that an anonymous couple, regular patrons of the parlor, paid for the tattoo in advance. Again, possible, but not fact. The "someones" have neither come forward nor been identified.

3. How Ron was notified of the donation and the requirement that he travel to Pinellas park to take advantage of it ? A poster speculated that he had been called by "someone". Speculation, not fact.

IMO, this is the most important of these three unknowns because the potential for Hayleigh's location has now moved outside of the Satsuma area. Who contacted Ron would probably answer #1 and #2. Most importantly, it could lead to, or eliminate, sources of info about her current location. Isn't the reason for our involvement concern about Hayleigh's whereabouts ?

IMO we're not hear to take up sides in this family feud. Don't you think that Hayleigh has had to deal with that feud long enough ? Let's not let the feud derail a penetrating look for, and at, all the facts relevant to this forum.

Great post!

 

[GenealogyKR]

I believe the parallel investigations ongoing in this situation are missing person and homicide. (DCF enters in on both sides of the investigation concerning neglect being the possible cause.)

They look for motive, opportunity, manner, and other factors which tie directly to the crime. Who, what, when, where, and why? We only know Haleigh turned up missing after late evening and before 3:27 am.

LE will always look at the inner circle first. This began with Ronald and Misty then extended out to Crystal.

Ronald did not have a motive. If LE found he was indeed at work, he did not have an opportunity. This would make him a remote suspect. The manner and other factors relative to this crime are still unknown since LE has not released them. His family and associations would be put into the #3 suspect category.

Misty did not have a motive that is known. She did have a window of opportunity, however, as she was the last person known to have seen Haleigh alive. She would move up to the #1 suspect.

Crystal had a definite motive. We don't know about opportunity because no one is talking about where Crystal was other than being called at 3:49 am supposedly at home. We do not know when the actual crime occurred and so she could have a window of opportunity, too. She moved into #2 suspect.

From here, you have to look at the top two suspects who do or could have a motive. It would be their associations and families who stand apart from others in the case since they may not have acted alone.

The #3 suspect would be the unknown: a stranger/friend/associate/family. Unknown motive. Unknown opportunity.

I agree 100% with you. Motive is the key.

 

[Tichad3]

I believe the parallel investigations ongoing in this situation are missing person and homicide. (DCF enters in on both sides of the investigation concerning neglect being the possible cause.)

They look for motive, opportunity, manner, and other factors which tie directly to the crime. Who, what, when, where, and why? We only know Haleigh turned up missing after late evening and before 3:27 am.

LE will always look at the inner circle first. This began with Ronald and Misty then extended out to Crystal.

Ronald did not have a motive. If LE found he was indeed at work, he did not have an opportunity. This would make him a remote suspect. The manner and other factors relative to this crime are still unknown since LE has not released them. His family and associations would be put into the #3 suspect category.

Misty did not have a motive that is known. She did have a window of opportunity, however, as she was the last person known to have seen Haleigh alive. She would move up to the #1 suspect.

Crystal had a definite motive. We don't know about opportunity because no one is talking about where Crystal was other than being called at 3:49 am supposedly at home. We do not know when the actual crime occurred and so she could have a window of opportunity, too. She moved into #2 suspect.

From here, you have to look at the top two suspects who do or could have a motive. It would be their associations and families who stand apart from others in the case since they may not have acted alone.

The #3 suspect would be the unknown: a stranger/friend/associate/family. Unknown motive. Unknown opportunity.

Great post!:clap:

 

[Jholi]

I believe the parallel investigations ongoing in this situation are missing person and homicide. (DCF enters in on both sides of the investigation concerning neglect being the possible cause.)

They look for motive, opportunity, manner, and other factors which tie directly to the crime. Who, what, when, where, and why? We only know Haleigh turned up missing after late evening and before 3:27 am.

LE will always look at the inner circle first. This began with Ronald and Misty then extended out to Crystal.

Ronald did not have a motive. If LE found he was indeed at work, he did not have an opportunity. This would make him a remote suspect. The manner and other factors relative to this crime are still unknown since LE has not released them. His family and associations would be put into the #3 suspect category.

Misty did not have a motive that is known. She did have a window of opportunity, however, as she was the last person known to have seen Haleigh alive. She would move up to the #1 suspect.

Crystal had a definite motive. We don't know about opportunity because no one is talking about where Crystal was other than being called at 3:49 am supposedly at home. We do not know when the actual crime occurred and so she could have a window of opportunity, too. She moved into #2 suspect.

From here, you have to look at the top two suspects who do or could have a motive. It would be their associations and families who stand apart from others in the case since they may not have acted alone.

The #3 suspect would be the unknown: a stranger/friend/associate/family. Unknown motive. Unknown opportunity.

I think the blue part/s is a significant leap of logic. Just because he has no motive does not mean his associates or enemies have less motive than Crystal or Misty. (ETA: or their associates)