Ron C. #4

[Emeralgem]

I've detected how Ron C acts... Let me add... He isn't a very good actor...JMHO

 

[Donjeta]

This is from the document thread. Could someone help me out w/the legalese? My stupid questions in red, bold also mine.

11/16/2004 - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
Does this mean that he first pleaded guilty and then changed his plea to no contest, or what? What's a/c short for? What does advised refer to here, to an attorney being present?

Notes:
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED, What does this mean?
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID
2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE

Thanks in advance for any enlightenment.

 

[ArmchairGumShu]

"He never refused to return the kids to the custodial parent, legally speaking Crystal was never the custodial parent. He filed first, and won (3x). Just because she is the bio mom that did not give her custody. I believe Ron was also listed on the birth certificate. I don't know where people get the idea that moms automatically retain legal custody at birth. I know it doesn't work that way in FL, or in NJ for that matter (personal experience).
Custody is decided through our legal system.

That is why Ronald did not end up in jail.


ETA: This is how rumors get started, next thing we know it will be all over the boards how years ago he "kidnapped" the kids and still won custody....I hope I helped to stop that one before it started. "

It seems that unless custody is actually challenged by one parent or the other, possession IS 9/10ths of the law. My ex ran off with my child from the daycare. There was no reason he couldn't. He was as entitled to my son as much as I was. I had to file for custody to get him back.

Shu

 

[player]

This is from the document thread. Could someone help me out w/the legalese? My stupid questions in red, bold also mine.

11/16/2004 - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
Does this mean that he first pleaded guilty and then changed his plea to no contest, or what? What's a/c short for? What does advised refer to here, to an attorney being present?

Notes:
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED, What does this mean?
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID
2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE

Thanks in advance for any enlightenment.

This is the only charge against him. It was plead to simple possession. He was fined/schooled and record was expunged upon completion of sentencing. I've maintaineda all along that there was only 1 charge of simple possession. A few folks have made it into an 18th century reason to lynch. Speaking of time this was all done in 2005, which is over 4 years ago. Thank you for substantiating my claims. If anyone needs your help it is Haliegh.

 

[player]

I agree...might I respectfully add as well.
Ron's interviews have bothered me since day one. His reactions are just so bazaar. I thought at first this was a grieving a father and he just had a strange way of showing grief. The time he threw himself on the ground and then minutes later started talking as if nothing, then anger..so strange....I now tend to think other....JMO.

When Geraldo talked to Ron about the allegations, Ron' response is classic. His anger is over the top, but he doesn't want to let it out, so he. talks. like. this. in. an. attempt. to. control. it. [/B ] Geraldo then ask Ron about drugs and he states he never had done drugs...However, look at his rap sheet. Even though for what ever reason the charges were dropped he was charged on several occations...another lie. JMO
Then When asked about hitting the children Ron said first he never hit the children, then states he only hit them the way DFC told him to. Which is it? Either he did or he didn't?...I tend to believe he did and the reason DCF had to "tell" him how to spank the children is because he must of been spanking them previously outside of the DCF guidelines.


When Geraldo asked Ron if he thought Haleigh was alive, his body language is, sadly, fascinating. He shakes his head no very briefly before he speaks, and then he moves his head abruptly to an up and down direction with a slight hook to the side. He says, "I'm always going to believe my daughter is alive until they find her." First thing I thought of was CA's statements about Caylee being close to home and as far as she knew at the moment she was fine. (That was because the remains were not found as of yet. I think Ron knows or partially knows what Happen to Haleigh that night. I also read that LE is now saying "other's" statements are inconsistent and I wonder if Ron if one of those other's besides Misty. Ron lied about hitting the children and he lied about any drug involvement. Those are two major lies in my eyes and a person that would lie about something that serious can not be trusted. Granted, it is not said he is guilty of abusing the children per say...but he did hit the children the way DFC told him to. So he did hit them and He was charged for drugs...even though charges were dropped. As for his involvement on what happen to Haleigh I have not came to a conclusion on that. But do portray him as a liar, and I don't trust anyone that lies. JMO

Good morning. Having said that I would like for all to know that we are here to find Haliegh and bring her home safe. I have defended Ron/Misty from the start as I was his neighbor until he moved in back of me 11/01/08. Just a personal observation from me. Ron was, IMO, a very good father and to the best of my knowledge never "beat or abused" the children. Normal spankings as determined by Child Services. The photos posted of Halieghs' bruised and cut little face (by CS) were not date stamped, however they did coincide with the school report and subsequent Drs. visits (scan) made by Ron for Haliegh. Rons' family had the actual date stamped photos and school report. There were never, as long as I knew them, any signs of abuse or child endangerment. IMO Ron was an exvceptionally good father. He was loving, nurturing and caring. His concerns were for their proper upbringing and education. Those he did to a fault. Both children appered to be very happy and in good spirits each time I saw them. That may raise a question. They played almost everyday in the driveway, which is partially covered by a carport and in the side yard. I can't say what went on after 11/01, however if his prior acts are evidentuary than I would say my case for "good parent" are provaen. Thank you. I just thought I'd fill you in on fact and not insinuations or false accusations. Have a great day. It is raining in Paradise.

 

[debs]

This is the only charge against him. It was plead to simple possession. He was fined/schooled and record was expunged upon completion of sentencing. I've maintaineda all along that there was only 1 charge of simple possession. A few folks have made it into an 18th century reason to lynch. Speaking of time this was all done in 2005, which is over 4 years ago. Thank you for substantiating my claims. If anyone needs your help it is Haliegh.

The record isn't expunged. There it is for all to see, in blue and red.

 

[player]

I've detected how Ron C acts... Let me add... He isn't a very good actor...JMHO

Hi ! You are spot on. Ron is definitely not an actor. What you see is Ron. A young ,IMO excellent, single parent raising 2 small children. Ron lacks people skills in many areas. Beneath that harsh exterior is a kind good parent. The courts saw that and each time the GM, MG, had Crystal go to CPS the subsequent investigations always have shown "no cause or concern, claim unfounded". That should show folks that he was doing a good job as a parent. Please, read my past posts. Ron, as I said, is not a people person. The one thing is that you know exactly where he is coming from all of the time. It is difficult to get past that I know, however once past that you see him differently than he comes off at a first meeting.

 

[player]

The record isn't expunged. There it is for all to see, in blue and red.

I apologize for that error. It was supposed to have been, apparently it was not. Does that mean that he is guilty of some hideous crime ? Or that he is a currrent drug dealer ? or that all of his friends are druggies ? Exactly what does a simple possession charge mean ? I don't mean to be confrontational, but I do want everyone to be fair. I'd be proud to have him as a son, but I am equally proud to have been close with him for a brief period. By the way I am an older man that abhors drug usage. In todays society marijuanna is as prevelant as cigarettes, alcohol or a myriad of things. Remember cocaine was a legal drug until the 20's. Hence Coca~Cola, which was made with cocaine in it. I guess my grandmother was a druggie. When I see her in heaven I will reprimand her highly for those indiscretions in her past. Remembering that this charge was the 1 and only conviction and he has paid "his debt" to society. Thank you for your patience. Respectfully submitted by his humble friend.

 

[BetsyB]

I apologize for that error. It was supposed to have been, apparently it was not. Does that mean that he is guilty of some hideous crime ? Or that he is a currrent drug dealer ? or that all of his friends are druggies ? Exactly what does a simple possession charge mean ? I don't mean to be confrontational, but I do want everyone to be fair. I'd be proud to have him as a son, but I am equally proud to have been close with him for a brief period. By the way I am an older man that abhors drug usage. In todays society marijuanna is as prevelant as cigarettes, alcohol or a myriad of things. Remember cocaine was a legal drug until the 20's. Hence Coca~Cola, which was made with cocaine in it. I guess my grandmother was a druggie. When I see her in heaven I will reprimand her highly for those indiscretions in her past. Remembering that this charge was the 1 and only conviction and he has paid "his debt" to society. Thank you for your patience. Respectfully submitted by his humble friend.

While I truly appreciate your insight into the local situation, I have to say that your unique position as neighbor, while it stands to offer us an enormous amount of perspective and insight into what's going on locally, likely did not afford you special insight into a family or a man. I say this as a daughter of a family outwardly normal and highly regarded by neighbors and friends--but behind closed doors, something entirely different.

I know my childhood neighbors-and even "very close" family friends--were shocked to find out what went on in our house.

 

[Donjeta]

This is the only charge against him. It was plead to simple possession. He was fined/schooled and record was expunged upon completion of sentencing. I've maintaineda all along that there was only 1 charge of simple possession. A few folks have made it into an 18th century reason to lynch. Speaking of time this was all done in 2005, which is over 4 years ago. Thank you for substantiating my claims. If anyone needs your help it is Haliegh.

I don't know what you mean about substantiating your claims. If I choose to copy just one record from another thread in a post in this thread, how does it prove this is the only one?

I'm willing to do whatever I can to help Haleigh but I'm afraid that she may be beyond my help. I'm not the one who needs to come clean about the events of that night.

 

[radio]

What if I came here and posted that my wonderful son had been arrested 15(?) times for drugs, ran with little teenage girls, married one.... and my thinking about all this was - oh well, he wasn't charged with any of the drug arrests, you know, it means nothing - he is just a real character, and those little girls he lives with and has children with - my boy is such a cad you know.

Would you still love me tomorrow?

 

[player]

I don't know what you mean about substantiating your claims. If I choose to copy just one record from another thread in a post in this thread, how does it prove this is the only one?

I'm willing to do whatever I can to help Haleigh but I'm afraid that she may be beyond my help. I'm not the one who needs to come clean about the events of that night.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. The 1 drug charge was posted and I replied to that. My knowledge of Ron says he only had the one conviction on his record for simple possession. I was responding to that post. I didn't take a post from another thread. Did I do something wrong here ?

 

[Law_girl41]

I apologize for that error. It was supposed to have been, apparently it was not. Does that mean that he is guilty of some hideous crime ? Or that he is a currrent drug dealer ? or that all of his friends are druggies ? Exactly what does a simple possession charge mean ? I don't mean to be confrontational, but I do want everyone to be fair. I'd be proud to have him as a son, but I am equally proud to have been close with him for a brief period.

Respectfully snipped. Bolded by me


Oh do share :waitasec:.....interesting that it was supposed to be? How do you know that as fact Mr Player? I find you a fancinating fellow and profound in your reasonings. Nonetheless, you seem to be privy to so much in such a minimal amount of time living next store to RC. I have had neighbors for years, simple people really, but I couldnt, shouldn't or wouldnt put myself 100% out there for them, unless I was actually with them during the period of time in question. I wasnt there in their lives for everything.

 

[debs]

I apologize for that error. It was supposed to have been, apparently it was not. Does that mean that he is guilty of some hideous crime ? Or that he is a currrent drug dealer ? or that all of his friends are druggies ? Exactly what does a simple possession charge mean ? I don't mean to be confrontational, but I do want everyone to be fair. I'd be proud to have him as a son, but I am equally proud to have been close with him for a brief period. *snipped*

He pleaded guilty to a charge of trespassing in 2006 (arrest in August; plead in October).

He was charged with Affray (threatening a person with bodily harm using more than just words), received a deferred sentence (which means he was found guilty), made his payments and completed his anger management or court ordered diversion program, in 2007 (complaint in April; final payment in November).

These two events (along with the drug charge) are not insignificant, and definitely not minor. These two events happened while he had custody of his children, those children whom he spouts he is the better parent for. I have to say if you're being arrested for trespassing and threatening someone, you might have custody but you are not a good example for your children. These charges weren't dismissed and they weren't ignored. He may have satisfied the court's requirements, but it calls into question his anger management issues.

I'm not attempting a character assassination, as you've called it. It is important that it not be whitewashed. Ron has anger issues. We heard him on the phone again with his threats of killing whoever took Haleigh. Is that understandable? Sure. But in the big picture, that he has actually been convicted of taking action against someone in the very recent past, it is cause for concern. And it isn't just a minor possession charge. It is several very disturbing factors of a man who claims to be the better parent.

None of this is to imply he should be implicated in the disappearance of Haleigh. However, I won't be bullied into pretending that these charges are insignificant and have nothing to do with who Ron is. In fact, they have everything to do with who he is.

 

[Glassgirl]

"He never refused to return the kids to the custodial parent, legally speaking Crystal was never the custodial parent. He filed first, and won (3x). Just because she is the bio mom that did not give her custody. I believe Ron was also listed on the birth certificate. I don't know where people get the idea that moms automatically retain legal custody at birth. I know it doesn't work that way in FL, or in NJ for that matter (personal experience).
Custody is decided through our legal system.

That is why Ronald did not end up in jail.


ETA: This is how rumors get started, next thing we know it will be all over the boards how years ago he "kidnapped" the kids and still won custody....I hope I helped to stop that one before it started. "

It seems that unless custody is actually challenged by one parent or the other, possession IS 9/10ths of the law. My ex ran off with my child from the daycare. There was no reason he couldn't. He was as entitled to my son as much as I was. I had to file for custody to get him back.

Shu

I disagree.
Legally speaking, Crystal was the custodial parent until Ron was awarded custody in a court of law.
I know for a fact that in the state of Florida, if two people have a child together and are not married, even if the father is listed on the birth certificate, the mother IS the custodial parent....period.
I have lived here since 1974 and had my daughter before I married her father. As far as the laws are concerned, he had NO RIGHTS, not even to see her in the hospital, until I granted permission.
Once we got married, the situation changed.
Paternity has to be proven first and the father actually has to be awarded custody in a court of law before he can be considered the custodial parent.
If they were married, things would have been different, legally speaking.

 

[player]

What if I came here and posted that my wonderful son had been arrested 15(?) times for drugs, ran with little teenage girls, married one.... and my thinking about all this was - oh well, he wasn't charged with any of the drug arrests, you know, it means nothing - he is just a real character, and those little girls he lives with and has children with - my boy is such a cad you know.

Would you still love me tomorrow?

1st of all. If my "wonderful son" had been arrested 15x for drugs I wouldn't condsider him so wonderful. That being said let us /u/me that Ron was arrested 15x for drugs with only 1 prosecution for simple possession: Would that indicate that he was being profiled, targeted or a scapegoat. An arrest is not the proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. There are hundreds of people in jail for drug sales that are probably innocent. Those people were prosecuted. I am against drugs. I have never done any form of illegal drugs. I can't speak for anyone else, but what if I were to have ? Does that make me an animal or worse ? JMO.. As far as the young girls go, just supposition, have you looked at Crystal/Misty ? I was flaberghasted when I found out her age. She looked and acted 20/21.. And Crystal looks much older than her actual years. Not saying that Ron was right, but saying that just maybe and that might be a stretch he was not asking. I can't defend what I don't know and on the same hand I can't attack what I don't know. Just FYI.. Have you ever recieved a traffic citation ? If so that is an arrest.. Should those be considered a significant sign of some sinister act? FYI I am 67 years old and have driven (legally) since I was 12. I have 3 Nat'l safety council awards for safe driving. I have lost track of the number of miles that I have driven. I have never received a traffic citation or been in a chargeable accident. I digress. I got myself on that traffic thing. However I have been stopped by LE, however never cited. Lucky I guess or I just looked to pathetic to ticket.. Please, forgive my ramblings.. I'm in a good mood today and the sun just popped out here in Paradise..

 

[Donjeta]

I don't understand what you are trying to say. The 1 drug charge was posted and I replied to that. My knowledge of Ron says he only had the one conviction on his record for simple possession. I was responding to that post. I didn't take a post from another thread. Did I do something wrong here ?

I posted that but I did not say that it was the only thing on his record. There are more in that Documents thread from which my original post told this was from.

And even if it was just that one charge, it's not just simple possession of cannabis but also paraphernalia and maintaining a drug vehicle.

 

[player]

He pleaded guilty to a charge of trespassing in 2006 (arrest in August; plead in October).

He was charged with Affray (threatening a person with bodily harm using more than just words), received a deferred sentence (which means he was found guilty), made his payments and completed his anger management or court ordered diversion program, in 2007 (complaint in April; final payment in November).

These two events (along with the drug charge) are not insignificant, and definitely not minor. These two events happened while he had custody of his children, those children whom he spouts he is the better parent for. I have to say if you're being arrested for trespassing and threatening someone, you might have custody but you are not a good example for your children. These charges weren't dismissed and they weren't ignored. He may have satisfied the court's requirements, but it calls into question his anger management issues.

I'm not attempting a character assassination, as you've called it. It is important that it not be whitewashed. Ron has anger issues. We heard him on the phone again with his threats of killing whoever took Haleigh. Is that understandable? Sure. But in the big picture, that he has actually been convicted of taking action against someone in the very recent past, it is cause for concern. And it isn't just a minor possession charge. It is several very disturbing factors of a man who claims to be the better parent.

None of this is to imply he should be implicated in the disappearance of Haleigh. However, I won't be bullied into pretending that these charges are insignificant and have nothing to do with who Ron is. In fact, they have everything to do with who he is.

I hope you don't get the impression that I am bullying you, because I am not. I never saw those anger issues and knew nothing, prior to Haliegh going missing, about this arrest record. If that is true, and I do not doubt what you say, I would tend to agree with you on this anger thing. I never saw that in Ron. What I did see was a good, loving father that truly cared for his children and two children that adored their father. This adoration by the kids is something you could see and was not something that was forced. Two very happy children. It's hard for me to believe that everyone is so thinking wrong about their care and love. Maybe not everyone, but many.. Thanks for the update.

 

[ladonna]

Hi ! You are spot on. Ron is definitely not an actor. What you see is Ron. A young ,IMO excellent, single parent raising 2 small children. Ron lacks people skills in many areas. Beneath that harsh exterior is a kind good parent. The courts saw that and each time the GM, MG, had Crystal go to CPS the subsequent investigations always have shown "no cause or concern, claim unfounded". That should show folks that he was doing a good job as a parent. Please, read my past posts. Ron, as I said, is not a people person. The one thing is that you know exactly where he is coming from all of the time. It is difficult to get past that I know, however once past that you see him differently than he comes off at a first meeting.

Gee reading what other locals are observing with their own eyes about Ron's actions since Haleigh went missing is quite a departure from the picture you paint of Ron.

 

[player]

Respectfully snipped. Bolded by me


Oh do share :waitasec:.....interesting that it was supposed to be? How do you know that as fact Mr Player? I find you a fancinating fellow and profound in your reasonings. Nonetheless, you seem to be privy to so much in such a minimal amount of time living next store to RC. I have had neighbors for years, simple people really, but I couldnt, shouldn't or wouldnt put myself 100% out there for them, unless I was actually with them during the period of time in question. I wasnt there in their lives for everything.

You are correct. I only refer to the period of time he was there from June thru Oct. . LE questioned me 3 or 4aybe even 5 times it got blurry at that time. Each time they asked me about Ron/Misty and I told them what I knew and each time I reminded them that they went in back of me in Nov. My knowledge of Ron came from him working here with me. he was laid off from his previous job and I needed some help with things around here. Once past the piercings and tatoos I got to see him differently. Not as a neighbor, but as a friend/acquaintance thing. From what I know of him I will/have put myself out there. As you noted and I stated "he moved 11/01/08" I wasn't back there for the 2.5 mos.. I have no dog in this fight. My concern is for the safe return of Haliegh and if I may shake or rattle an idea loose for that end then I have done my job.