Ron C.

[LaLaw2000]

I agree, I feel LE almost has to "know" something about what happened here, I've thought that since the conflicting reports between TES and LE about why TES was leaving (and Friday's cryptic post).

CeeKer, could you point me in the direction of Friday's post? TIA

 

[jaimie43]

What if..just entertain the idea for a moment..that other than whether or not Ron is an informant, LE just has no idea what happened? What if they are as stumped as everyone here?

 

[winterrose]

Have we explored the idea of the gun taken and who might have taken it?Misty said there was a fight and JO was accused of taking a gun,later the gun was found in ditch.So,JO was accused,but denied,so if not him,who took the gun from the house and why would they leave it in a ditch,close to the house,a warning?This happened two weeks before,from what TN says.The only reason I can think of RC denying it,is because maybe he was scared,maybe there were other warnings.What was in the note yesterday?After hearing the 911 call,he doesn't trust LE from hearing him.

 

[yosande]

Does anyone know who watched Haleigh and JR before Misty?
Does anyone know if RC has any other girlfriends as in now while he has been with Misty?
Does anyone know who the mother is to his possible other child?
tia

 

[CeeKer]

CeeKer, could you point me in the direction of Friday's post? TIA

Oh gosh it was in the middle of all those general discussion threads. I'll try to find it.

 

[CeeKer]

CeeKer, could you point me in the direction of Friday's post? TIA

Post #269
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3319942&highlight=Tim+TES#post3319942

 

[yosande]

If Ron hasn't been ruled out by police it makes him a potential suspect also. I'd think that LE would have said by now they've ruled Ron & Misty out as potential suspects??? something weird in that they haven't.

the leaving the scene of an accident & trespass, for me, correlates to his propensity and ability to take matters into his own hands in the event of an accidental death or unintended death. Much like you might leave the scene of an accident to avoid drunk driving or possession charges - you might fake an abduction and hide a body to avoid manslaughter charges.

the trespass & hunting related charges bring to light he would obviously know his way around the back country - at night - and have no fear of entering into those type of areas alone in the dark. As opposed to Misty who I could see accidentally hurting the child but not taking a body and going out into the FL bush to dispose of it.

of course they are not accused of a crime at this time, and until LE says otherwise they are "Victims" but in my mind this must be considered because the REAL victim Haleigh needs to be found.

This does bring to mind that Misty said very early in this case that she was a city girl, and not use to being in the country. Don't know why she shared that, and I know it isn't the Misty thread, but thought I throw it out there anyway.

 

[not_my_kids]

Does anyone know who watched Haleigh and JR before Misty?
Does anyone know if RC has any other girlfriends besides Misty?
Does anyone know who the mother is to his possible other child?
tia

Ron's mother, I think.
Obviously, if he has other kid/s.
Her name is A, no idea on a last name and I wouldn't type it anyway, even if I did.

 

[whiteangora]

I believe it could be about her missing so much school.

That's probably part of it.
I feel he has an anger control problem as well.

 

[azwriter]

Well, it is always good to get lowlife dealers off the street, winterrose. It is just such a dangerous job. Your identity will be known in short order in a small town scenario and LE knows this. I could add something further, but I do not want to get in trouble.

And it is a fact that LE does not confirm or deny anything in this case. Well, except that the Tennessee cousin was not involved, or the A/C man, or the RSO. I believe that is the extent of what information that has been given.

I don't know if Ron is an informant for LE or not. I do know that informants are usually people who do not have families or attachments of any kind. It is too dangerous for the imformants family to put the person out on the street as informants when revenge can be acted upon if his idenity is discovered. It's just crazy to have a guy with two little children in a situation where some doper nut case wants to get even after he's been turned in. I would hope the local LE would be smart enough not have put Ron in that type of situation.
jmo

 

[not_my_kids]

I don't know if Ron is an informant for LE or not. I do know that informants are usually people who do not have families or attachments of any kind. It is too dangerous for the imformants family to put the person out on the street as informants when revenge can be acted upon if his idenity is discovered. It's just crazy to have a guy with two little children in a situation where some doper nut case wants to get even after he's been turned in. I would hope the local LE would be smart enough not have put Ron in that type of situation.
jmo

HA...only on TV. In real life, an informant is anyone stupid or desperate enough to flip on the guy on step up the food chain. The informant makes the choice of whether to save himself and endanger his family or face full legal punishment for what ever the alleged crime.
LE, quite frankly, cares about their investigation. Norcotics handles the drugs, let patrol and the victim advocacy unit handle the informants safety.
In the end, LE doesn't make the choice, so they aren't in charge of the potential consequences.
That's just the way it works.

 

[azwriter]

HA...only on TV. In real life, an informant is anyone stupid or desperate enough to flip on the guy on step up the food chain. The informant makes the choice of whether to save himself and endanger his family or face full legal punishment for what ever the alleged crime.
LE, quite frankly, cares about their investigation. Norcotics handles the drugs, let patrol and the victim advocacy unit handle the informants safety.
In the end, LE doesn't make the choice, so they aren't in charge of the potential consequences.
That's just the way it works.

Actually not_my_kids, this isn't something I've seen on a televison whodunit.
My information on informants' background comes from actual knowledge I learned from cop shops I've worked with as a reporter.
However, I'm willing to agree policies about who to retain as an informant probably differs within each police force. Probably up to the location or the force officials. And the specific incident.
Perhaps Ron being an informant would have been in a single incident to help himself and lessen the charges in his own case. But I know when a reporter is working a story they are cautioned not to photograph or appear to recognize an informant if he or she is present. At least that's been my experience.

 

[sweet emotions]

Thanks Kat. Sorry, but this is driving me crazy and IMO is far beyond an innocent oversight or inadvertent omission. In the confusion of early reporting, it was even occasionally stated that it was dad who put Haleigh to bed at 10pm. I think this came from the 911 call:

911 OPERATOR: OK, when did you last see her?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just, like -- you know, it was about 10:00 o'clock. She was sleeping (INAUDIBLE)

Was "we" just a slip of the tongue, by a flustered 17 year-old w an angry dad breathing down her neck? Or was "panic stricken" call something more devious, cooked up by the two. :waitasec:

arrot:

I believe it was a slip of the tongue. If it was me dialing 911, I would have barely been consolable, much less flustered. IMO they both sounded genuine during the 911 calls.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

We...as in Rj and I? There were two people there even if one is only 4 years old (3 at the time).

 

[Anais]

It continues to amaze me how the bio-mom and her family are continually wanting to throw RC under the bus IMO. The focus should stay on Haleigh, they should be directing all of these concerns and stories to LE and not the media. (Least of all GR!) Not once has RC or his family played their silly game. Good for them!

Let's see the story of RC knowing or being 75% sure who took his daughter, ummmm of course turned out to be a "misunderstanding." The "scraps of paper given to LE by RC", actually turned out to be notes and questions he'd written down to discuss with LE but written down so to keep it straight! Ugghh more much ado over nothing. It really irks me is all I am sating! JMHO

RC just wants his baby girl back and is a father in tremendous emotional pain and distress.

 

[cuppy199]

That's probably part of it.
I feel he has an anger control problem as well.

I agree he does have some problems with anger. But it also doesnt mean you are abusive physical or mentally. I have known my hubby to get very angry and say alot of mean things and throw and break things when we were younger but not once did he ever do it around the kids. When ever the children were around it seemed to calm him. Anyone can call child service on anyone and they would have to follow it up regardless. Doesnt mean that there was actually anything going on with the child. I have no clue who called them. It could be the school or it could be a neighbor but it also could be possible it was the bio mom or one of her family members who knows

 

[cuppy199]

I also wanted to point out that if in fact Ron was a crane operator I highly doubt he was doing any drugs at the time. Its federal related when license is involved and you cant drive a crane without one. Your also ramdomly selected to take drug test. And if possible drugs were on your record they would test you alot more often then others. So I personally dont think Ron was doing them as of lately anyway

 

[not_my_kids]

I don't think Ron has been using anything recently either. Maybe a joint every now and then.
But the problem is that if they are only urine testing, then it can be hard to tell. Cocaine can clear your system in 48 hours. Herion slightly more. Pot is one of the longest lasting. Most opiates take a while.

 

[elle1919]

I also wanted to point out that if in fact Ron was a crane operator I highly doubt he was doing any drugs at the time. Its federal related when license is involved and you cant drive a crane without one. Your also ramdomly selected to take drug test. And if possible drugs were on your record they would test you alot more often then others. So I personally dont think Ron was doing them as of lately anyway

Yes, excellent point. Do we know for sure that Ron actually ran the crane...or any piece of heavy equipment...because a heavy equipment operator requires a special liscense...I know cause my hubby has one, he is an environmental engineer, and yes he is scrutinized and drug tested often.

 

[RJA00]

I also wanted to point out that if in fact Ron was a crane operator I highly doubt he was doing any drugs at the time. Its federal related when license is involved and you cant drive a crane without one. Your also ramdomly selected to take drug test. And if possible drugs were on your record they would test you alot more often then others. So I personally dont think Ron was doing them as of lately anyway

my husband worked at a car crusher for about 5 years. there were crane and dozer and all kinds of machinery. yes they did random drug test all the time. I believe OSHA (sp) requires drug testing so often