Ron's Incident With The Gun Spark Investigation was opened by DCF.

[curvecuti]

As a person of faith and interest in justice I hope that Jr. will be raised by the parent who truly loves him and has his best interest at heart. I am not convinced that is Ron.

If Ron is guilty of crimes against children? Ron's sexual deviations include sex with underage girls and to me that is a crime against children. That is my opinion.:furious:

Perhaps the parent that truly loves Jr. and has his best interests at heart is the one that used cocaine while they were pregnant w/ him. I wish we could decide if we are going to choose to call Misty a child because of being underage when having sex w/ RC or an adult because she "put herself" in an adult role. It can't be both ways. IMO.

 

[Pondering Mind]

curvecuti, you know the "Crystal used cocaine when she was pregnant with Jr" thing is incredibly old news. Why the need to post that fact SO often and in every thread? We ALL know it.. because Crystal admitted it. While it is an AWFUL thing to do, it was years ago and unless I'm mistaken we have no proof of any drug use on her part at all since. One incident, as bad as it was and in your eyes she is an unfit mother for life? Of course Daddy gets a pass because he wasn't carrying the child. Nor was he willing to quit himself when Crystal was pregnant, where is his responsibility in that? Unless you have been very blessed and not had to deal with loved ones with drug problems or worked with Family Court, I don't suppose you have any way to see how tragically common this is. Crystal has apparently taken responsibility for what she did, she can't go back and change it, can she? Ron, on the other hand...as a responsible father to be and 'husband' would have been told (had he cared to find out) that HE must stop or else Crystals chances for sobriety were slim at best. Wonder if he will ever take his share of the blame for that? HIGHLY UNLIKELY IMO.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Perhaps the parent that truly loves Jr. and has his best interests at heart is the one that used cocaine while they were pregnant w/ him. I wish we could decide if we are going to choose to call Misty a child because of being underage when having sex w/ RC or an adult because she "put herself" in an adult role. It can't be both ways. IMO.

Perhaps the parent that truly loves Jr. and has his best interests at heart is not the one who left him with a 17 year old druggie who was coming down from a binge weekend and sexual romp with another man other than his father.

I have always called Misty a child and considered her so, because that is what she is. I remember seeing her sitting by Ron in one photograph and thinking she looks 11 or 12, oh my goodness.

I don't know why we keep repeating these facts

 

[txsvicki]

Crystal was young too, and I remember it being said that Ron is the one who got her on drugs to begin with. The grandparents who say they raised Haleigh (if they're fit and not involved in the disappearance) might be the best ones to raise the little boy. Ron moved in a young teen, left his kids with her supposedly knowing that she did drugs that weekend, argued and carried on with a young teeny bopper with his kids in the vicinity, and to top that she claimed to have molesters in her family and took them around the kids.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Any real man would have been looking for his daughter not screaming and whining to a 911 operator. I have heard 5 year olds make better 911 calls.

 

[crocus]

I think Ron's reaction to his child being missing was perfectly normal. There is usually only one reason some jackazz takes a baby girl and we ALL know what that is. What father wouldn't be furious and ready to kill the perp? Only wimp-azzes. Ron is no wimp.
Stop expecting men to behave like wimps - it isn't right.

I can't imagine a man being calm and courteous in such a situation and my hinkey meter would blow up if he were. Anger, fury, rage, fear, pain, helplessness - all the same. It came out as desperate to me and certainly not over the top by any means. No men in my life are wimps and I would expect very similar responses from them in the same situation.

I just don't see Ron as such a bad guy. In fact, he seems quite harmless to me.

Just looking at HC2 makes me want to beat the living cr*p out of him and if he was on my property or my granny's property and and wouldn't leave, I would have to show him Mr. Shotgun because I have couldn't win a fist fight with him. I am glad Ron pummeled him senseless.

Give me a break on the dead rat. The place is a swamp, there are rats everywhere. Ron didn't catch a freaking rat, chop it's head off and put it in a mailbox and it wasn't someone's pet rat. Actually, I thought it was hilarious. He should have just put it on the door step though. The mailbox thing will cause problems. I know, some kids in my neighborhood put all the guts of a pumpkin in the neighborhood mean guy's mailbox one Halloween. The mailbox police came and questioned all the kids - me too.

It was hilarious but of course, not the right thing to do. No harm, no foul.

Well......wow.

"Only wimp-azzes. Ron is no wimp.
Stop expecting men to behave like wimps - it isn't right".

"In fact, he seems quite harmless to me."

"He should have put it on the doorstep"?

Are you a family member?

 

[Baznme]

Jr. will be raised by his Daddy, as it should be. If Ron is guilty of crimes against children, then authorities should evaluate. Parents aren't property of the State, because we have children doesn't give people or the State the right to decide what's in the best interest of our children. A few bad parents has caused the system to go crazy and lose wisdom.

I beg to differ. Jr. will be raised by the parent found to be the most fit. This is not RC's first rodeo with DCF. Their evaluation will be taken into consideration when presented to the "authorities", especially if it's not your first investigation. "Parent's aren't property of the State"? That statement confuses me. The parents aren't property but if we have children however, and IF they are deemed in jeopardy due to irresponsible parental care, does give the State cause to investigate, step in and decide what's in the best interest of the children. That's what they are there for.

 

[Whisperer]

I am amazed at D.E's for thinking he is harmless and that most men behave like he did on the 911 or thereafter. We got a glimpse into his character....just a little...and that was enough. RC is a wimp, a wimp who needs to have a gun to prove he is a man. He uses the gun to intimidate people ....imo.

How does anyone know that the rat was not a pet or purchased at a store? How many people have dead rats just lying around? How many people can just catch a rat and then chop it's head off? Sorry but the thought that this was humorous totally passed me by. Putting the guts of a pumpkin is a far cry from intimidating a witness with a headless rat...DE.

Putting a dead rat in the mailbox is serious when the person who resides at the address is a witness in your upcoming case. RC has a serious problem..IMO. I have seen many like him behind bars, where they belong. He will NEVER be w/o a gun, I can pretty much say this safely. He uses guns to scare people and is one very unstable male....IMO.

.....simply astonishing that some do not see him and his behavior as trouble! Harmless would not be an adjective I would use to describe Ron Cummings. Combining wimphood with instability and loaded guns creates a dangerous situation.

We see him "in check" at the moment because he is a "bubble" provided by his mommy and Granny and several attorneys. If RC were left on his own, we would be witnessing many problems with the law...IMO.

 

[curvecuti]

Whoa. Are you insinuating that a gay man is not a real man? That is very offensive and bigoted post.

I don't think there is a gold standard for a "Real Man" and I don't think anyone here can say what they would do in RC's situation. You can guess what you might do, but you can not know what emotion may prompt you to do if your child is missing. RC's reaction to Haleigh missing was perfectly normal. If a case can be cited here where a "real man" came home to find his daughter missing and immediately went out to search and didn't show any emotion,I'll eat my hat.

And I think in the same situation, I could kill someone that abducted my child, in a heartbeat. LE better find them before I or my husband. I would think most parents would feel this way about an abductor. I can not think of some SO or anyone taking my child and me not feeling completely murderous. IMO.

 

[curvecuti]

Well......wow.

"Only wimp-azzes. Ron is no wimp.
Stop expecting men to behave like wimps - it isn't right".

"In fact, he seems quite harmless to me."

"He should have put it on the doorstep"?

Are you a family member?

Why is it that anyone that doesn't believe RC murdered his daughter is automatically assumed to be a family member? I don't see posts asking if people are family members of CS and MG. :waitasec:

 

[curvecuti]

Crystal was young too, and I remember it being said that Ron is the one who got her on drugs to begin with. The grandparents who say they raised Haleigh (if they're fit and not involved in the disappearance) might be the best ones to raise the little boy. Ron moved in a young teen, left his kids with her supposedly knowing that she did drugs that weekend, argued and carried on with a young teeny bopper with his kids in the vicinity, and to top that she claimed to have molesters in her family and took them around the kids.

Why are none of CS's actions her own? Seems everything she does/has done is someone else's fault. Doesn't matter IF someone got her started it is up to her to stop! And that should have happened when she was pregnant w/ Jr. IMO.

 

[Flossie JMO]

There were drugs in Crystal's home before Ron entered the picture, and, jmo, there still are.

 

[elle1919]

Is there a recent document or other related evidence to support the drug claims that are being attached to the mother and father of Haleigh Cummings? Have either used drugs or participated in drug activities since Haleigh went missing? Please post. TIA

 

[debs]

Why are none of CS's actions her own? Seems everything she does/has done is someone else's fault. Doesn't matter IF someone got her started it is up to her to stop! And that should have happened when she was pregnant w/ Jr. IMO.

But that is exactly what she said. "I found out I was pregnant and I stopped. But Ronald wouldn't stop. I went into the bedroom and he was using and I got mad. He kicked me in the head and pushed me off the bed."

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Whoa. Are you insinuating that a gay man is not a real man? That is very offensive and bigoted post.

I don't think there is a gold standard for a "Real Man" and I don't think anyone here can say what they would do in RC's situation. You can guess what you might do, but you can not know what emotion may prompt you to do if your child is missing. RC's reaction to Haleigh missing was perfectly normal. If a case can be cited here where a "real man" came home to find his daughter missing and immediately went out to search and didn't show any emotion,I'll eat my hat.

And I think in the same situation, I could kill someone that abducted my child, in a heartbeat. LE better find them before I or my husband. I would think most parents would feel this way about an abductor. I can not think of some SO or anyone taking my child and me not feeling completely murderous. IMO.

I have had a missing child and I know what the emotions are and what you do in that case. You go and you look for your child. That is the only thing important to you at the time. You dont just sit around boo hooing waiting for someone else to find them. The first thing you do is find your child, you don't sit around not looking for them because you might kill the person who took them. What was the last thing Ron said on the 911 tape, I've got better people to talk too? Instead of going out and looking for my child I think I will make another phone call...........

As far as Ron knew it had happened 1 minute before he got home, any normal person would have been out the door and back in his truck flying around the neighborhood looking for cars, or running down the street banging on doors looking for places with their lights on or someone running down the street with Haleigh.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

There were drugs in Crystal's home before Ron entered the picture, and, jmo, there still are.

How old was Crystal when Ron started sleeping with her?

 

[elle1919]

Putting a gun in ones mouth in front of a child, is abuse PERIOD- It is NEVER ok- It is not normal, and there is no good reason for it EVER-

I hope DCF gets Jr out of there stat!

I am stating my opinion as respectfully as I know how.

Per the portion of your post that I bolded....the statistics concerning mental illness in our country, and throughout the world for that matter, are staggering. You can find these numbers and other pertinent information at the link I posted below. Parents who experience mental illness, depression, disturbing thoughts or feelings are not alone unfortunately.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publ...count-mental-disorders-in-america/index.shtml

http://suicideandmentalhealthassociationinternational.org/about.html

snip~According to WHO estimates, in the year 2000, approximately one million people died from suicide, and 10 to 20 times more people attempted suicide worldwide. This represents one death every 40 seconds and one attempt every 3 seconds, on average. ~ end snip

Whether you agree or disagree with the above statistics or regardless if you feel that JR should be removed from the home because his father is experiencing emotional issues after the abduction of his child, these feelings and disturbing thoughts alone are not cause for a parent to lose custody of their children. Parents who threaten suicide do not have diminished parental rights. However, if the proper authorities conduct an appropriate investigation and determine that JR should be removed from the care of his father, so it will be and I will trust that they present a finding that is in the best interest of the child.

 

[curvecuti]

Is there a recent document or other related evidence to support the drug claims that are being attached to the mother and father of Haleigh Cummings? Have either used drugs or participated in drug activities since Haleigh went missing? Please post. TIA

There are links in the links thread, I believe to the custody docs, CS admitted she used cocaine while preg. w/ Jr. I posted the court record of MG's drug convictions in a thread a couple days ago, not sure which one. There are also links to Chad Gs. drug history. And links to RC's arrest records are here somewhere. The only thing that that has been connected to drugs since Haleigh went missing IIRC is the drug paraphanalia found on the Griffis property during the search.

 

[curvecuti]

Originally Posted by Malesherbes
Putting a gun in ones mouth in front of a child, is abuse PERIOD- It is NEVER ok- It is not normal, and there is no good reason for it EVER-

I hope DCF gets Jr out of there stat!

That would be grounds for immediate removal of the child. Since that did not happen, the evidence must not be too compelling. IMO.

 

[curvecuti]

How old was Crystal when Ron started sleeping with her?

And this helps us w/ finding Haleigh how?