R's, defense attorneys, post-crime behavior

[Ravyn]

Maybe I'm just naive...but even after consulting an attorney, the R's didn't HAVE to follow his advise word for word...

The R's BROUGHT this suspision upon themselves. Through their bizzarre behavoir. JMHO.

They will tell you the best way to go, then it's up to you what course to take.. Cause since they are paid counsel you have the right to go against them...

 

[DeeDee249]

They will tell you the best way to go, then it's up to you what course to take.. Cause since they are paid counsel you have the right to go against them...

The Rs were terrified. Their behavior was carefully choreographed by their lawyers. Believe me, they paid VERY strict attention to their lawyers because they were guilty. Innocent people WOULD have cooperated more, regardless of counsel.

 

[voynich]

The Rs were terrified. Their behavior was carefully choreographed by their lawyers. Believe me, they paid VERY strict attention to their lawyers because they were guilty. Innocent people WOULD have cooperated more, regardless of counsel.

i agree w/this

 

[claudicici]

.....i can understand to be too upset to go to the station...but then wouldn't i also be too upset to hire lawyers and a pr firm and appear on national television...

 

[Ames]

Maybe I'm just naive...but even after consulting an attorney, the R's didn't HAVE to follow his advise word for word...

The R's BROUGHT this suspision upon themselves. Through their bizzarre behavoir. JMHO.

Yep, I agree!

 

[Ames]

.....i can understand to be too upset to go to the station...but then wouldn't i also be too upset to hire lawyers and a pr firm and appear on national television...

Exactly! They gave a television interview BEFORE giving one to police...how strange is THAT? I almost threw up when Patsy said..."there's a killer out there, keep your babies close". PULEEZZZZ, spare me.

 

[ziggy]

12 year old Stephanie Crowe was found murdered (stabbed to death) in her home.

Unfortunately the family did cooperate with police who ended up railroading their 14 year old son into a false confession for the murder! Years of abuse by the police were endured by this family imo, not to mention the legal costs of bad police work.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/01/20/news/top_stories/18_33_091_19_08.txt

This is an inturder case where the girl was STABBED and nobody woke up. They were not rich and they didn't live in a mansion.






http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/01/20/news/top_stories/18_33_091_19_08.txt

 

[Ames]

12 year old Stephanie Crowe was found murdered (stabbed to death) in her home.

Unfortunately the family did cooperate with police who ended up railroading their 14 year old son into a false confession for the murder! Years of abuse by the police were endured by this family imo, not to mention the legal costs of bad police work.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/01/20/news/top_stories/18_33_091_19_08.txt

This is an inturder case where the girl was STABBED and nobody woke up. They were not rich and they didn't live in a mansion.






http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/01/20/news/top_stories/18_33_091_19_08.txt

I wonder if a three page RN was left inside the home, WITH the body. Hmmm...I am guessing probably not. And I wonder if clothing fibers from her mother were found all around the murder scene? I am guessing here...probably not. This...along with many other reasons...is the reason that the Ramsey's did NOT cooperate with the police. And of course...I am just guessing here.

 

[Sophie]

Exactly! They gave a television interview BEFORE giving one to police...how strange is THAT? I almost threw up when Patsy said..."there's a killer out there, keep your babies close". PULEEZZZZ, spare me.

It was really odd. I imagine there were infants all over America`terrified to go to bed, too...

 

[Ames]

It was really odd. I imagine there were infants all over America`terrified to go to bed, too...

Yes, and isn't it ironic...that even after Patsy says..."Keep your babies close, there is a killer out there"....the "killer" has never struck again??

 

[Sophie]

I wonder if a three page RN was left inside the home, WITH the body. Hmmm...I am guessing probably not. And I wonder if clothing fibers from her mother were found all around the murder scene? I am guessing here...probably not. This...along with many other reasons...is the reason that the Ramsey's did NOT cooperate with the police. And of course...I am just guessing here.

Sounds convincing to me.

Thing is, as has been said many times, you can't blame professional, intelligent people for getting legal assistance. A business person like JR would consult lawyers on a daily basis in his business dealings and reaching for professional help would come as second nature. He would also be comfortable telling his lawyers what to do and, while his lawyers might advise him on legalities and do all the documentary grunt-work, they wouldn't be directing general policy. I can't see him being any different in his dealings with criminal defence lawyers.

ETA: My paragraph deserves an award for being the clumsiest piece of prose to grace the pages of WS.

 

[madeleine]

Yes, and isn't it ironic...that even after Patsy says..."Keep your babies close, there is a killer out there"....the "killer" has never struck again??

Not only that,IMO this kind of killer would have BRAGGED about it,see I committed the perfect crime,you never caught me,his ego would have made him send messages to the media like the ZK did.IMO.

 

[Sophie]

Not only that,IMO this kind of killer would have BRAGGED about it,see I committed the perfect crime,you never caught me,his ego would have made him send messages to the media like the ZK did.IMO.

As a matter of interest, outside of JMK, is it known whether there were many 'confessions'? `

 

[madeleine]

No idea but I would like to know.

 

[voynich]

12 year old Stephanie Crowe was found murdered (stabbed to death) in her home.

Unfortunately the family did cooperate with police who ended up railroading their 14 year old son into a false confession for the murder! Years of abuse by the police were endured by this family imo, not to mention the legal costs of bad police work.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/01/20/news/top_stories/18_33_091_19_08.txt

This is an inturder case where the girl was STABBED and nobody woke up. They were not rich and they didn't live in a mansion.






http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/01/20/news/top_stories/18_33_091_19_08.txt

isn't this what the R''s were trying to prevent?

Maybe LE would railroad Burke into a false confession?

 

[Ames]

Sounds convincing to me.

Thing is, as has been said many times, you can't blame professional, intelligent people for getting legal assistance. A business person like JR would consult lawyers on a daily basis in his business dealings and reaching for professional help would come as second nature. He would also be comfortable telling his lawyers what to do and, while his lawyers might advise him on legalities and do all the documentary grunt-work, they wouldn't be directing general policy. I can't see him being any different in his dealings with criminal defence lawyers.

ETA: My paragraph deserves an award for being the clumsiest piece of prose to grace the pages of WS.

I can't imagine ANY lawyer advising their client NOT to cooperate with police. It just makes the person (or people) look as guilty as sin.

 

[Ames]

Not only that,IMO this kind of killer would have BRAGGED about it,see I committed the perfect crime,you never caught me,his ego would have made him send messages to the media like the ZK did.IMO.

Exactly! He would have told SOMEONE! You can't keep a secret like that, forever.

 

[ziggy]

isn't this what the R''s were trying to prevent?

Maybe LE would railroad Burke into a false confession?

Exactly. Some people are a little more saavy and when in the midst of a crisis their equally saavy friends and business associates might have enough insight to fear this type of behavior from a small town PD who have already shown a bit of bumbling.

Had the Crowes retained counsel, they would have spared their son this second tragedy. It's not always good to trust the police. Just sayin.

Mark Klaas is a good guy and trying to do the right thing, but his case was quite different so I don't think he can put himself up as a worthy comparison. I bet you 50 bucks that had Polly been in the two parent Klaas home and found dead in her room or another room in the home, he would have been suspect #1 and he doesn't seem like the kiind of guy who would follow the leader if even one hair on his head sensed the police were trying to pin it on him.

 

[Sophie]

I can't imagine ANY lawyer advising their client NOT to cooperate with police. It just makes the person (or people) look as guilty as sin.

I'd never thought of it like that, Ames! I'd always sort of viewed the lawyers as not really caring whether the Ramseys looked guilty just as long as they weren't proven guilty but you are right, avoiding police kept LE attention on the Ramseys, which the lawyers probably predicted would happen. I always wondered whether Patsy had been advised to agree to a polygraph if asked since lawyers could always intervene at a later stage and veto it, making it look like she was co-operating but the lawyers were holding her back... In any event, she had to know that the lawyers would intervene..

Just a musing though

 

[Sophie]

isn't this what the R''s were trying to prevent?

Maybe LE would railroad Burke into a false confession?

Why would they do this given that Burke couldn't be held criminally responsible on account of his age? Do you think LE wanted a resolution even if it meant pinning the crime on the wrong person and even if it meant no conviction? Or do you mean that they could have extracted false information about the Ramseys' involvement?