Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #11

[Cedars]

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Similarly, the US enthusiastically supported Ukraine before and after the invasion, up until the transfer of power a few weeks ago.

If Trump wants to withdraw support, fine.

But he cannot expect Ukraine to pay for what Americans previously decided to spend.

And he should get out of the 'negotiations', since he is no longer relevant to the future of Ukraine or Europe.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Similarly, the US enthusiastically supported Ukraine before and after the invasion, up until the transfer of power a few weeks ago.

If Trump wants to withdraw support, fine.

But he cannot expect Ukraine to pay for what Americans previously decided to spend.

And he should get out of the 'negotiations', since he is no longer relevant to the future of Ukraine or Europe.

Ukraine doesn't have to pay back anything do they? I'm not sure how the US could force them. Maybe I'm missing something. JMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

Ukraine doesn't have to pay back anything do they? I'm not sure how the US could force them. Maybe I'm missing something. JMO.

It is a strong desire of the current administration. Stated publicly as a sure thing.


"U.S. President Donald Trump said on Feb. 22 that the United States would "get our money back" after Ukraine agrees to a deal giving Washington access to half its revenues from critical natural resources.

"We're going to get our money back because it's just not fair," Trump said at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Feb. 22."

'We're going to get our money back' — Trump on US-Ukraine resources deal

"I want them to give us something for all of the money that we put up," Trump said on Feb. 22. "We're asking for rare earth and oil — anything we can get."

kyivindependent.com

 

[Deleted member 39678]

"U.S. President Donald Trump said on Feb. 22 that the United States would "get our money back" after Ukraine agrees to a deal giving Washington access to half its revenues from critical natural resources.

"We're going to get our money back because it's just not fair," Trump said at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Feb. 22."

'We're going to get our money back' — Trump on US-Ukraine resources deal

"I want them to give us something for all of the money that we put up," Trump said on Feb. 22. "We're asking for rare earth and oil — anything we can get."

kyivindependent.com

Just because President Trump said that it doesn't mean it will happen. I guess if Zelenskyy agrees it could happen. JMO.

 

[Snoopster]

Just because President Trump said that it doesn't mean it will happen. I guess if Zelenskyy agrees it could happen. JMO.

Once you said that Trump must have misspoken when he said that Ukraine caused the war. (He didn't. His comments were intentional and supportive of Putin.)

Then you said that just because Trump said he expects to be repaid, it doesn't mean it will happen.
No, it doesn't mean it will happen but it also doesn't mean that he didn't ask to be repaid.

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[Rita7]

Not really. The Allies and Russia had common enemies they had to defeat. The US never trusted Russia (Soviet Union) during the war and especially so as the war was ending. The Russian military didn't coordinate with the Allies during that time. They did their own thing. It all evolved into the Cold War, East & West Germany, Berlin Wall, etc.

I'm talking about an established historical fact:
Russia and the US were Allies during the WWII. Period.
How their relationship developed after 1945 is another story.

 

[Cedars]

Just because President Trump said that it doesn't mean it will happen. I guess if Zelenskyy agrees it could happen. JMO.

It appears Washington believes it is an 'offer he can't refuse'. Not because it is a good deal, but in the Godfather sense.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm talking about an established historical fact:
Russia and the US were Allies during the WWII. Period.
How their relationship developed after 1945 is another story.

I agree. The US and Russia during World War II were Allies with the common goal of defeating Nazi Germany. It doesn't mean they liked each other or agreed on most things and that manifested itself during the Cold War. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It appears Washington believes it is an 'offer he can't refuse'. Not because it is a good deal, but in the Godfather sense.

Why is that?

 

[Cedars]

Why is that?

I don't know. What Trump wants Trump gets?

Ukraine must strike minerals deal, says Trump adviser Mike Waltz

The comments overshadowed Zelensky's meeting with US envoy Keith Kellogg in Kyiv.

www.bbc.com

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't know. What Trump wants Trump gets?

Ukraine must strike minerals deal, says Trump adviser Mike Waltz

The comments overshadowed Zelensky's meeting with US envoy Keith Kellogg in Kyiv.

www.bbc.com

Not always.

Zelenskyy can certainly reject the mineral deal and ask other nations for help if he wants to continue the war instead of seeking a negotiated peace. JMO.

 

[Cedars]

Not always.

Zelenskyy can certainly reject the mineral deal and ask other nations for help if he wants to continue the war instead of seeking a negotiated peace. JMO.

I see. So Trump is pretending he is capable of negotiating peace with Putin, but will only do it if it is in direct US interest, once he's tricked Ukraine into giving away their assets.

"If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you."

That is a clever salesman's con, not diplomacy.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I see. So Trump is pretending he is capable of negotiating peace with Putin, but will only do it if it is in direct US interest, once he's tricked Ukraine into giving away their assets.

"If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you."

That is a clever salesman's con, not diplomacy.

Whatever it takes to save lives and insure a peaceful future for the Ukrainian people I'm for it.

Like I said, Zelenskyy doesn't have to agree to anything. He can try to keep all of the minerals and hope that Russia doesn't just take it all away. JMO.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It reminds me of a fictional soapie I watch, where the villain would only hand over the life saving serum if the person wanting the serum signed over their company in return.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It reminds me of a fictional soapie I watch, where the villain would only hand over the life saving serum if the person wanting the serum signed over their company in return.

In this situation a 50-50 deal looks pretty good to me. JMO.

 

[Marysmith]

In this situation a 50-50 deal looks pretty good to me. JMO.

50-50 for who? The US and Russia? How is this fair at all?

 

[Cedars]

In this situation a 50-50 deal looks pretty good to me. JMO.

Ie 50 for Russia and 50 for the US

 

[Cedars]

It reminds me of a fictional soapie I watch, where the villain would only hand over the life saving serum if the person wanting the serum signed over their company in return.

Except the 'lifesaving serum' is a bottle of aspirin.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

50-50 for who? The US and Russia? How is this fair at all?

Nope.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Ie 50 for Russia and 50 for the US

Nope.