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Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #11
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I didn't say it was true. I was just questioning why you seem to imply with your statement, "After that propaganda about Trump. I'm done with Ukraine" that what you consider propaganda is Ukraine's fault. Again, it was written by an American. I have never heard Zelensky say anything of the sort, but I will admit that I did take an extended break from this thread for awhile. MOOHe's written about several Republican Presidents. and others. Because he's an American doesn't make it true. You're right opinion articles for many left wing news sources.
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Zelensky and Ukraine want to continue this rhetoric, it's severely damages relationships.
Moo...
If it was up to me the EU would have started upping the military ante in 2010 at the latest. That’s just based on cursory observation of world (European) events.
I’m not swimming with the sharks, though, so it’s easy for me to judge.
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Europe has been doing their fair share all along and will continue to do so. We're part of this because we're a member of NATO. Any hostile nation that wages unprovoked attacks against other NATO countries is a threat to the US. Russia is less that 100 miles from our own Alaska border.
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You can’t possibly be treated any worse than you have been in the US the last 4 years
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Well the only other options... Continue to fight till the money runs out of there another song just left. Agreed to a peace agreement, which will require concessions, which is not willing to make.
I think after the public meltdown, the repeated demands of NATO, European nations trying to come up with money, all played out in the media, he has publicly given Putin the edge. Zelenskyy played what few cards he had publicly and he lost. It would not surprise me one bit, if Putin didn't go after him full force, even to the point of a nuclear weapon. I'm very worried for the people of Ukraine.
I'm not sure many understand how close to nuclear war we are.
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So do you agree that Europe can provide everything Zelenskyy is asking for and US help is not needed?Europe has been doing their fair share all along and will continue to do so. We're part of this because we're a member of NATO. Any hostile nation that wages unprovoked attacks against other NATO countries is a threat to the US. Russia is less that 100 miles from our own Alaska border.
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11m ago18.26 GMT
A Russian missile struck port facilities in Ukraine’s southern city of Odesa on Saturday, injuring two port workers and damaging infrastructure and a vessel, regional governor Oleh Kiper said.
Kiper, writing on the Telegram messaging app, said the strike damaged a Panamanian-flagged vessel belonging to a European company. He said emergency crews were at the site and medics were treating the two injured men.
Facilities at the three Black Sea ports around the city have been frequent Russian targets in the three-year-old war pitting Moscow against Kyiv.
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A Russian missile struck port facilities in Ukraine’s southern city of Odesa on Saturday, injuring two port workers and damaging infrastructure and a vessel, regional governor Oleh Kiper said.
Kiper, writing on the Telegram messaging app, said the strike damaged a Panamanian-flagged vessel belonging to a European company. He said emergency crews were at the site and medics were treating the two injured men.
Facilities at the three Black Sea ports around the city have been frequent Russian targets in the three-year-old war pitting Moscow against Kyiv.
‘You have full backing across the UK’: Zelenskyy leaves Downing Street after meeting with Starmer – as it happened
Ukrainian president has held talks with PM Keir Starmer ahead of defence summit with European leaders tomorrow. This blog is now closed.
I hope there’s a joker in the deck this year. There may be more than one, even.
37m ago18.03 GMT
Inside Number 10, Volodymyr Zelenskyy said: “With pleasure, thank you very much Keir, Mr Prime Minister, happy to be here.
“Really, I saw a lot of people, and I want to thank you, people of the United Kingdom, such big support from the very beginning of this war, thank you, your team.
“And I’m very happy that His Majesty the King accepted my meeting tomorrow, and I’m thankful that you organised such great summit for tomorrow.
“And we are very happy in Ukraine that we have such strategic partners, we’ve signed with you historic document.”
The prime minister interjected “the 100-year agreement” before the Ukrainian president continued: “Yeah, we have only with you such documents, with the United Kingdom, so we’re happy and we count on your support and really, really, really happy that we have such partners and such friends.”
Starmer added “fantastic” and the two leaders shook hands.
www.theguardian.com
Inside Number 10, Volodymyr Zelenskyy said: “With pleasure, thank you very much Keir, Mr Prime Minister, happy to be here.
“Really, I saw a lot of people, and I want to thank you, people of the United Kingdom, such big support from the very beginning of this war, thank you, your team.
“And I’m very happy that His Majesty the King accepted my meeting tomorrow, and I’m thankful that you organised such great summit for tomorrow.
“And we are very happy in Ukraine that we have such strategic partners, we’ve signed with you historic document.”
The prime minister interjected “the 100-year agreement” before the Ukrainian president continued: “Yeah, we have only with you such documents, with the United Kingdom, so we’re happy and we count on your support and really, really, really happy that we have such partners and such friends.”
Starmer added “fantastic” and the two leaders shook hands.
‘You have full backing across the UK’: Zelenskyy leaves Downing Street after meeting with Starmer – as it happened
Ukrainian president has held talks with PM Keir Starmer ahead of defence summit with European leaders tomorrow. This blog is now closed.
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Security guarantees are also about economic agreements. There is a lot of media talk about this. About our work with the Americans to reach such an agreement.
We all need peace—long-lasting and reliable one. And we want a good economic deal that will be part of a true security guarantee system for Ukraine and the free world. Our teams are working every day and we are making great progress.
Ukraine wants a strong agreement—one that guarantees security and lays a solid foundation for our economic partnership with the United States for decades to come. Fair terms produce strong results.
NATO is the most cost-effective option for preventing another war. It is the simplest and most logical solution.
If Ukraine does not join NATO, we will have to create NATO within Ukraine, which means maintaining an army strong enough to repel aggression, financing it, producing and storing enough of our own weapons, and negotiating with our partners about their participation to deter Russia from starting another war.
That’s why we are talking about a comprehensive system of security guarantees—military, economic, and political. We need to weigh everything—what is cheaper, what is more realistic, and what can be done faster.
I am grateful to everyone who supports Ukraine in our work toward real security.
Three years of resistance. Three years of gratitude. Three years of absolute heroism of Ukrainians. I am proud of Ukraine! I thank everyone who defends and supports it. Everyone who works for Ukraine. And may the memory of all those who gave their lives for our state and people be eternal.
We all need peace—long-lasting and reliable one. And we want a good economic deal that will be part of a true security guarantee system for Ukraine and the free world. Our teams are working every day and we are making great progress.
Ukraine wants a strong agreement—one that guarantees security and lays a solid foundation for our economic partnership with the United States for decades to come. Fair terms produce strong results.
NATO is the most cost-effective option for preventing another war. It is the simplest and most logical solution.
If Ukraine does not join NATO, we will have to create NATO within Ukraine, which means maintaining an army strong enough to repel aggression, financing it, producing and storing enough of our own weapons, and negotiating with our partners about their participation to deter Russia from starting another war.
That’s why we are talking about a comprehensive system of security guarantees—military, economic, and political. We need to weigh everything—what is cheaper, what is more realistic, and what can be done faster.
I am grateful to everyone who supports Ukraine in our work toward real security.
Three years of resistance. Three years of gratitude. Three years of absolute heroism of Ukrainians. I am proud of Ukraine! I thank everyone who defends and supports it. Everyone who works for Ukraine. And may the memory of all those who gave their lives for our state and people be eternal.
Yes, it is just Americans with all their beloved conspiracy theories, on both sides.
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Moo... If they can't get him to see reason, I think the the Ukraine Parliament may act at some point. The money's going to run out, the troops are going to run out.
I'm wondering how far the European countries are going to allow this to go before they take action. They're in the line of fire for nuclear weapon.
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The US is a pivotal part of NATO.
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The traditional G7 leaders' meeting with Ukraine’s participation and a very important signal of support for our country and people.
It was a productive meeting, with principled words from the majority by most of our partners. We strongly count on the unity of the world—Europe, America, all parts of the world and nations who want to live in peace, based on predictable rules and international law.
We all strive for peace and want to make it as reliable and lasting as possible. Today, we discussed the need for security guarantees for Ukraine and real ways to ensure an end to this Russian aggression and prevent any new one. Peace is needed.
I thank everyone who is helping.
I had a great meeting with European Commission President @vonderleyen and @eucopresident António Costa.
We discussed the development of Ukraine’s defense industry, particularly investments in enhancing our long-range capabilities. We share a common understanding that achieving a just and lasting peace for Ukraine and ensuring security guarantees requires unity from Europe. We and our partners must remain ready to defend Ukraine with strength, as the war continues, and Russia has no intention of ending it fairly.
I appreciate the adoption of the EU’s 16th sanctions package against Russia, targeting its logistics, banking sector, defense industry, and propaganda, as well as the ban on storing Russian petroleum products. Sanctions must target everything that finances Russian killings.
We also discussed the progress in Ukraine’s EU accession negotiations. I look forward to the swift opening of the first "Fundamentals” cluster.
Thank you for standing with us in Ukraine today.
All the leaders of the Nordic-Baltic 8 are in Ukraine today. This is a partnership we are proud of.
I am grateful for the €26 billion in military aid provided to Ukraine over the three years of Russia’s full-scale aggression, as well as for the investments in our domestic production.
We discussed ways to further expand our security cooperation, Ukraine’s membership in the EU and NATO, and preparations for the fifth Ukraine – Nordic Summit.
We must continue working just as effectively within Europe. Together, we are protecting the lives of Ukrainians and the security of our continent.
It was a productive meeting, with principled words from the majority by most of our partners. We strongly count on the unity of the world—Europe, America, all parts of the world and nations who want to live in peace, based on predictable rules and international law.
We all strive for peace and want to make it as reliable and lasting as possible. Today, we discussed the need for security guarantees for Ukraine and real ways to ensure an end to this Russian aggression and prevent any new one. Peace is needed.
I thank everyone who is helping.
I had a great meeting with European Commission President @vonderleyen and @eucopresident António Costa.
We discussed the development of Ukraine’s defense industry, particularly investments in enhancing our long-range capabilities. We share a common understanding that achieving a just and lasting peace for Ukraine and ensuring security guarantees requires unity from Europe. We and our partners must remain ready to defend Ukraine with strength, as the war continues, and Russia has no intention of ending it fairly.
I appreciate the adoption of the EU’s 16th sanctions package against Russia, targeting its logistics, banking sector, defense industry, and propaganda, as well as the ban on storing Russian petroleum products. Sanctions must target everything that finances Russian killings.
We also discussed the progress in Ukraine’s EU accession negotiations. I look forward to the swift opening of the first "Fundamentals” cluster.
Thank you for standing with us in Ukraine today.
All the leaders of the Nordic-Baltic 8 are in Ukraine today. This is a partnership we are proud of.
I am grateful for the €26 billion in military aid provided to Ukraine over the three years of Russia’s full-scale aggression, as well as for the investments in our domestic production.
We discussed ways to further expand our security cooperation, Ukraine’s membership in the EU and NATO, and preparations for the fifth Ukraine – Nordic Summit.
We must continue working just as effectively within Europe. Together, we are protecting the lives of Ukrainians and the security of our continent.
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How much of the US would you give away? How many millions of your citizens would you think it's acceptable to live under Russian occupation? How many of the tens of thousands of kidnapped children would you want returned?
Compromise? Really?
As for Zelenskyy, he went to the US to do a deal and they tried to extort him, on tv. Absolutely shameful.
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I said the EU not the UK.
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Yes, they may have no choice but to turn on him if total collapse is seen.
I'm sure at some point the Europeans will have to make decisions based on their on security and future. JMO.
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