Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #11

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Unbelievable.
Making enemies out of our allies is NOT smart, and now it's affecting those men and women serving who he claims to support so much.
This is NOT good, but I sure don't blame the supplier. I blame our "leadership".
IMO.

This is the issue DT can't see the bigger picture of how this impacts America. Like he doesn't seem to understand the first word in WW3
 
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Wow. "What about me??!"
How are the Ukrainians being treated??



That is the issue. US (DT) thinks their balls are too big for anyone to stand up to them. When Russia betrays you your country will find out the hard way I'm sure. <modsnip>




Wow. Just Wow. Any loss of life is okay so long as it's not American???

How many non American lives were ended during the search for weapons of mass destruction? That wasn't our war to fight but we stood with the US regardless. But hey least we know who are allies are now
Beautiful. Thank you.
 
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This is the issue DT can't see the bigger picture of how this impacts America. Like he doesn't seem to understand the first word in WW3
He would never WANT to see. It's about the money, money and his ego, end of story. NARCISSIST and on and on.
 
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UK to loan Ukraine £2.26bn to bolster defence​


The UK and Ukraine have agreed a £2.26bn loan to support Ukraine's defence capabilities, Finance Minister Serhiy Marchenko says.

Volodymyr Zelensky and Sir Keir Starmer, together with Chancellor Rachel Reeves, held a video call with Marchenko this evening.

Marchenko wrote on social media, external that the funds are "ensured by frozen Russian assets".

He added that he was "grateful" to the UK for "holding the aggressor accountable for the war".

Starmer and Zelensky watch as Rachel Reeves signs a document

EPA-EFE/REX/SHUTTERSTOCK

They plan to use ,money frozen Russia. assets to pay off the loan. I'm not sure how that works.

Has anyone heard/MSN how to take possession of seized assets? I'm certainly not questioning it. I'm curious why this hasn't been done earlier.

Will Putin retaliate?
Moo...
 
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They plan to use ,money frozen Russia. assets to pay off the loan. I'm not sure how that works.

Has anyone heard/MSN how to take possession of seized assets? I'm certainly not questioning it. I'm curious why this hasn't been done earlier.

Well Putin retaliate?
Moo...
I love that Russia is paying for Ukraine’s defence. ☺️
 
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I don't believe any other NATO country has demanded rights to mineral assets for not providing security guarantees.
NATO only supplies combat boots on the ground for its members. Ukraine is not a member, and not entitled.

The deal for the mineral rights did not include NATO. Zelenskyy is trying to ADD ON a guarantee of security. The US has made very clear over the last two weeks, two in person trips to Ukraine, US security is not an option. A hard NO.

The US would provide investors, once revenues were generated, Ukraine would receive a full 50% share to use as they see fit. 50% would be placed in a fund for reconstruction cost. The US would match the fund $2 for every dollar contributed from the minerals. After reconstruction is complete, all bills are pay, the US would receive the contribution/upfront cost they contributed to the fund.

It's going to take years for exploration, the mineral samples, determining the cost to pull the minerals from the Earth. Mining is a very expensive industry. We're not even sure if the minerals are there, or if they can be brought from the Earth. It looks like from the maps there's plenty of coal, natural gas, but few rare Earth minerals and no data on cost of extraction or quantity.

Moo>.
 
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I love that Russia is paying for Ukraine’s defence. ☺️
Makes me a little nervous, Putin may come knocking. He certainly won't be happy about losing the money permanently. That's kind of why I asked about legality. Will the banks just willingly hand over this money? Do the banks worry about Putin retaliating? It would be disastrous if Putin retaliated against the UK. World war 3 for sure.
Moo
 
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THAT is exactly why t got the votes he did get, that way of seeing the 'world'.
Exactly. And you can't reason with people like that.
 
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NATO only supplies combat boots on the ground for its members. Ukraine is not a member, and not entitled.

The deal for the mineral rights did not include NATO. Zelenskyy is trying to ADD ON I guarantee of security. The US has made very clear over the last two weeks, two in person trips to Ukraine, US security is not an option. A hard NO.

The US would provide investors, once revenues were generated, Ukraine would receive a full 50% share to use as they see fit. 50% would be placed in a fund for reconstruction cost. The US would match the fund $2 for every dollar contributed from the minerals. After reconstruction is complete, all bills are pay, the US would receive the contribution/upfront cost they contributed to the fund.

It's going to take years for exploration, the mineral samples, determining the cost to pull the minerals from the Earth. Mining is a very expensive industry. We're not even sure if the minerals are there, or if they can be brought from the Earth. It looks like from the maps there's plenty of coal, natural gas, but few rare Earth minerals and no data on cost of extraction or quantity.

Moo>.
I know what NATO is, thanks.

Boots were on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pretty sure they aren't NATO members.

The deal is nonsense for Ukraine if they don't have a guarantee of security, and that may not even require boots on the ground.

If you can't understand why a security guarantee is the minimum Ukraine should require for handing over it's future mineral rights I honestly don't know what to say to you. Other than you're plain, outright wrong.
 
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MAR 1, 2025
The United Kingdom signed an agreement with Kyiv on March 1 to provide Ukraine with a loan worth 2.26 billion pounds ($2.84 billion) backed by frozen Russian assets.

The loan, which is part of the Group of Seven's (G7) Extraordinary Revenue Acceleration (ERA) credit initiative, was signed amid President Volodymyr Zelensky's visit to London to meet with U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer.

The United States will contribute the bulk of the loan with $20 billion in assistance. The U.S. is closely followed by European Union countries, including France, Germany, and Italy, with a combined $19.4 billion. The remaining approximately $10 billion will be divvied up with Canada providing $3.7 billion, Japan providing $3.07 billion, and the U.K. providing $2.8 billion in loan funding.
 
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Russian missile attack on Odesa damages civilian foreign vessel, casualties reported.

A Russian ballistic missile struck the Odesa port on the evening of March 1, damaging port infrastructure as well as a foreign civilian ship flying the flag of Panama, Odesa Oblast Governor Oleh Kiper reported.

Two port employees were injured as a results of the attack. No information was available as to the extent of their injuries.
 
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Ukrainian President Zelensky will meet with the King of England, Charles III, tomorrow evening.

Denmark will officially reopen the Ammunitionsarsenalet AMA ammunition plant in North Jutland, with the Norwegian-Finnish defence giant Nammo running the 350-year-old facility.

The Danish government will rush to get production lines running as soon as possible.

The facility will most likely produce 155mm artillery and 120mm mortar ammunition, 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm small arms ammunition.

After yesterday's events in the White House, Haltbakk Bunkers, one of Norway's largest marine fuel companies, appears to have announced that it will no longer refuel American Navy vessels. Haltbakk has called on other European companies to refuse service to American forces.

The shutdown may have already affected USS Virginia (SSN-774), which attempted to refuel in Norway today but turned around. (The Virginia class requires some marine diesel for its Caterpillar model 3512B V-12 auxiliary generator).
 
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Haven't heard a word out Asia, or Japan and many more. I consider all these rational countries.

It's not just Europe, but you would likely have to live in another part of the world to see what others are saying. That horrible pile on made others sit up, notice, and comment.


He added that Japan will do all it can to prevent divisions between the US and Ukraine or among the Group of Seven nations from widening.

'Donald Trump doesn’t match our PM Narendra Modi in behaviour, dignity': Vivek Agnihotri on Trump-Zelensky showdown

Trump's alienation of Europe has China 'delighted,'

"I am responsible for Australia's foreign policy, and Australia's foreign policy is determined by Australia. And we stand unequivocally with Ukraine in their struggle because we regard that as a struggle for the upholding of international law."

New Zealand reaffirms support for Ukraine after disastrous White House meeting
 
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...guarantee is the minimum Ukraine should require for handing over it's future mineral rights I honestly don't know what to say to you. Other than you're plain, outright wrong.
Personally, I think Ukraine is being used as a scapegoat by Trump et al.

The US has big problems with debt that no one wants to face. The causes of rising debt are very hard to tackle: such as an aging population, higher interest rates, expensive wars in the Middle East, and decades of tax cuts.

Instead of dealing with this - for eg through a PLAN such as decreasing the massive overall defense spending, the obvious answer is pick a weak outsider and blame them for everything.

 
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Makes me a little nervous, Putin may come knocking. He certainly won't be happy about losing the money permanently. That's kind of why I asked about legality. Will the banks just willingly hand over this money? Do the banks worry about Putin retaliating? It would be disastrous if Putin retaliated against the UK. World war 3 for sure.
Moo

Dec 2022. Canada wasn't nervous about seizing Russian assets. Canada Moves to Seize $26M from Russian Oligarch Roman Abramovich - The Moscow Times
 
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Vance took the lead attacking Zelensky. Why?​


JD Vance's remarkable dressing down of Volodymyr Zelensky in the Oval Office on Friday showed the US vice-president unafraid to take centre stage as an attack dog, rather than serve like some of his predecessors as a self-effacing political understudy.

It was Vance who led the attack on Zelensky before Donald Trump joined the fray at the White House in a meeting that had been cordial until the vice-president spoke up to laud the president for seeking what he described as a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine-Russia war.

[…]

Vance's remarkable attack on a visiting head of state is not typical for a US vice-president.

Their job is often - but not always - to help get the president elected and then sit quietly at their boss's side. To be a loyal lieutenant representing the president on foreign trips - standing by, one heartbeat, so they say, from the presidency.

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One common thread is that many victims of Vance's tongue-lashing are America's allies.

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Vance is emerging as more than just Trump's number two.

 
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Trump-Zelenskyy clash: a moment of dark reckoning​


With or without the US, Europe must learn to defend itself, and Ukraine, against Russian aggression

The treatment of the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, by the US president, Donald Trump, during what appears to have been a staged confrontation in the White House in front of the world’s press, marks one of the most profoundly shocking moments in US diplomacy in decades.

In this crass and deeply disturbing performance, the wartime leader of a democratic European country that is fighting against an illegal invasion by Russia, which has seen its citizens killed and cities bombed indiscriminately, was subjected to a vicious, ignorant and mendacious attack that was designed to humiliate.

Many watching the antics of Trump and his vice-president, JD Vance – and the subsequent cheerleading from their far-right political allies – will have been sickened by what they saw: an American president channelling the words of Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin. In the cold light of the day that has followed, the world – and Europe in particular – has woken to the most uncomfortable of realities.

The US, the country that has styled itself the indispensable nation, has aligned itself with the enemies of peace and democracy.


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