Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

[Charlot123]

I hope it's not another false start. Hopefully we can send somebody to Ukraine just find the deal. I sure don't want to deal with another visit with Zelensky.

Personally I don't think we should sign the agreement. He's still not thanked us and he's certainly not apologized for his performance on Friday.
Moo

I watched the video twice and I even scanned the transcript to read between the lines.
I think that Zelenskiyy has own issues and they were more noticeable inside than on TV. A lot of stress, of course. But, as the leader of the country depending on the US, plus coming to talk to the president who obviously doesn’t like you on a personal level, you just sign, thank and leave. I think Trump doesn’t have long attention span when it comes to issues not interesting him, so everything minus the deal was just delaying the meeting and culminated in what we saw. Plus, Trump has changed, US has changed, and maybe it looked very different from inside the Oval Office. There is a reason why Trump had to mention Hunter’s bedroom - he was obviously angry at that point.

Overall, I guess, one doesn’t plan it like this, on Zelinskiyy side. Hopefully they’d just sign it now.

 

[Stella123]

I hope it's not another false start. Hopefully we can send somebody to Ukraine just find the deal. I sure don't want to deal with another visit with Zelensky.

Personally I don't think we should sign the agreement. He's still not thanked us and he's certainly not apologized for his performance on Friday.
Moo

I can't see anything about Tuesday in that link?

"Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively."

Quote from your link above.

Zelensky is still mentioning "security" - minerals and security. So it seems to me he is saying his ready to sign it any time - providing it includes security as well as minerals.

 

[Sarahlou]

The statement that Zelensky just posted on X (sorry I’m unable to link to it, but I believe it’s been posted above) shows plenty of gratitude to both Trump (by name!) and the US and the American people in general, as well as all the other countries that have been supporting and helping Ukraine. He also apologized and took responsibility for how the meeting in the Oval Office went. I didn’t think he needed to apologize in the first place, as he didn’t do anything wrong and I’ve found him to be very thankful and expressing his gratitude the entire 3 years that his country has been invaded by a dictator. Hopefully his statement will be enough for the people still demanding he say thank you.

I get why he posted it but I really don't like that he had to. He has nothing to apologise for in regards to that meeting.

 

[BrianJohnson]

"
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has extended an olive branch to President Donald Trump and said he “regrets” last week’s showdown in the Oval Office.

“Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way,” Zelensky said in a post on X Tuesday. “It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive.”


Zelensky said he was ready to work under Trump’s “strong leadership” to get a peace deal in the social media post.

“We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same,” Zelensky wrote. “Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.”

Extending an olive branch is the way to do it IMO. A good and formal statement to make and respectful to Trump. Have to say that neither Trump nor Vance have much respect in most uk online stuff at the moment!

Ukraine’s Zelensky ‘regrets’ meltdown meeting with Trump

Zelensky said he was ready to work under Trump’s ‘strong leadership’ to get a peace deal in the social media post

www.independent.co.uk

Zelensky needs to show respect in other ways too, height of rudeness and disrespect entering the Oval Office, the most important office in the free world, without wearing a suit and tie, I understand the point Zelensky is trying to make wearing military attire but it is disrespectful to not wear a suit meeting the leader of the free world

 

[LibraStarr]

Zelensky needs to show respect in other ways too, height of rudeness and disrespect entering the Oval Office, the most important office in the free world, without wearing a suit and tie, I understand the point Zelensky is trying to make wearing military attire but it is disrespectful to not wear a suit meeting the leader of the free world

Respect isn’t about what you wear—it’s about your actions. Zelenskyy isn’t showing up in casual wear; he’s wearing the attire of a wartime leader, representing a country fighting for survival.

World leaders have met in all kinds of attire depending on context—Churchill wore military uniforms during WWII, and even U.S. presidents have foregone ties in certain diplomatic settings. Demanding a suit while Ukraine is under attack is missing the point entirely.

If anything, true disrespect would be prioritizing dress codes over the gravity of the war and the reason he’s there—to discuss Ukraine’s fight for democracy.

IMO

 

[Donswife48]

An interesting history of the peace negotiations in the Russian invasion on Ukraine.

There were so many peace proposals, some Putin nixed, some Zelensky nixed. Many countries tried, many individuals tried, even the Pope. It's worth reading to get a complete perspective. Russia has said many times they want to discuss peace, Zelensky won't give up anything. JMO MOO

Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[HmmMysterious]

Zelensky won't give up anything. JMO MOO

*Putin

 

[MrsWatson]

Zelensky won't give up anything

Why should Ukraine give up anything? They aren't the ones who invaded an independent nation. What is Russia planning on "giving up" in return? If Putin wants to discuss peace, he could start by removing all his troops from Ukraine. Seems pretty straightforward.

moo

 

[LibraStarr]

In my opinion, respect between nations should be based on mutual recognition, not some one-sided expectation of groveling or bowing down.

Zelenskyy is leading a country under siege, fighting for its very survival, and yet people are still saying he’s not showing enough “thanks” to the U.S. for support. That’s not how diplomacy works—he’s not a supplicant, and the U.S. is not the supreme power here. The idea that the U.S. should be at the center of everything, expecting other nations to always show gratitude or deference, is a stark reminder of how deeply ingrained that sense of exceptionalism is. It’s as if we've lost sight of the fact that true leadership doesn’t come from a sense of entitlement but from mutual respect and collaboration.

Instead of focusing on the gratitude a leader should show, we should be focused on supporting the fight for freedom, democracy, and equality, wherever it’s happening.

 

[JennieM]

Extortion.

 

[Stella123]

That all sounds very personal IMO. What do you want him to say? I'm very sorry I hardly said anything and annoyed you? JMO

This takes both sides to be manly and grown up - and gracious. No bowing and scraping. He is not a lesser being.

 

[Simply Southern]

"
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has extended an olive branch to President Donald Trump and said he “regrets” last week’s showdown in the Oval Office.

“Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way,” Zelensky said in a post on X Tuesday. “It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive.”


Zelensky said he was ready to work under Trump’s “strong leadership” to get a peace deal in the social media post.

“We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same,” Zelensky wrote. “Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.”

Extending an olive branch is the way to do it IMO. A good and formal statement to make and respectful to Trump. Have to say that neither Trump nor Vance have much respect in most uk online stuff at the moment!

Ukraine’s Zelensky ‘regrets’ meltdown meeting with Trump

Zelensky said he was ready to work under Trump’s ‘strong leadership’ to get a peace deal in the social media post

www.independent.co.uk

Why you sure must have done it in private and today. As of late last night he had not. JD, Marco and Waltz we're on numerous talk shows. Marco and Waltz gave details of how Zelenskyy and his staff responded after the meeting. It's clear he still doesn't get it.
Moo...

 

[tlcya]

I hope it's not another false start. Hopefully we can send somebody to Ukraine just find the deal. I sure don't want to deal with another visit with Zelensky.

Personally I don't think we should sign the agreement. He's still not thanked us and he's certainly not apologized for his performance on Friday.
Moo

Video of Zelensky saying thank you to America 94 times goes viral

94 plus times. Over the course of several years. Publicly thanking America. This narrative that Vance has launched is quite simply false. as to Zelensky's performance on Friday? He was the only person present IMO who owes nobody an apology. the performance of our elected officials, however? Deplorable. MOO

 

[LibraStarr]

What he has failed to do is apologize? He has failed to thank the American taxpayers. I don't trust him, I don't think he will last much longer. He's too needy, an egotistical.

At this point, it feels like the real apology should come from America to Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people.

I want to personally apologize to the Ukrainian people for the ignorance and misplaced expectations that have been thrown your way by our current Administration. Your struggle, your sacrifice, and your resilience should be met with nothing but respect, support, and solidarity.

IMO

 

[Simply Southern]

He literally thanked us many, many times, before and after the Oval meeting. IMO.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-thankful-us-fact-check/index.html

Nope I watched it live and the replay three times. His first words were thank you for the invitation and immediately pulled out photos and went into an 8-point list of his demands. He might have thought he thanked us but he did not. He did say in he confronted JD and was called out...I said thank you. I watched it once entirely just to catch when he said thank you. He spent a lot of time thanking Europe.

If you look at his Twitter account he's not thanked us. He repeatedly thanks everybody in Europe by name. Hoping Donald sits on all that military aid for a while.

Please let me know what the time mark is and I'll go back and watch the video again. I would hate to accuse him of not thanking us for our support unjustly.
Moo...

 

[tlcya]

since we are hung up on "respectful" attired in the oval office thought I'd just drop this here

tee shirt and ballcap, seems oval office appropriate, no?

 

[Leilei]

Nope I watched it live and the replay three times. His first words were thank you for the invitation and immediately pulled out photos and went into an 8-point list of his demands. He might have thought he thanked us but he did not. He did say in he confronted JD and was called out...I said thank you. I watched it once entirely just to catch when he said thank you. He spent a lot of time thanking Europe.

If you look at his Twitter account he's not thanked us. He repeatedly thanks everybody in Europe by name. Hoping Donald sits on all that military aid for a while.

Please let me know what the time mark is and I'll go back and watch the video again. I would hate to accuse him of not thanking us for our support unjustly.
Moo...

I stated before and after the Oval meeting in my reply. I also provided one of many links to him thanking us. As far as the meeting itself, I didn't reference that at all, so I won't be providing time marks at this time.
IMO.

 

[HmmMysterious]

He's too needy, an egotistical.

Yes Trump really is.

If you look at the comments on his Twitter page, many Americans have expressed his disregard I failure to recognize how much the United States is done for him. Many are saying don't give him another dime.

The opinion of Twitter trolls doesn't count.

 

[tlcya]

At this point, it feels like the real apology should come from America to Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people.

I want to personally apologize to the Ukrainian people for the ignorance and misplaced expectations that have been thrown your way by our current Administration. Your struggle, your sacrifice, and your resilience should be met with nothing but respect, support, and solidarity.

IMO

THIS!

 

[JennieM]

He has advisors. The parliament is fully operational. From his Twitter account he's had worldwide "constructive conversations" for days.

What he has failed to do is apologize? He has failed to thank the American taxpayers. I don't trust him, I don't think he will last much longer. He's too needy, an egotistical.

I feel sorry for the Ukrainian people. I do hope that the US will hold 8:00 until he makes a full public apology. If you look at the comments on his Twitter page, many Americans have expressed his disregard I failure to recognize how much the United States is done for him. Many are saying don't give him another dime.
Moo

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Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #11

28 February 2025

"Because the relations are more than just two presidents."

He notes it is also about "historical relations" between the two countries, as well as "strong relations between our two people."

"That is why I began to thank your people from our people," Zelensky says. "Your people helped to save our people."

The interview ends with Zelensky saying: "We are thankful, and sorry for this," adding that Ukraine only wants to have strong relations with the US.