Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

[Vern]

In the time that peace negotiations were initiated back in 2022, how many Ukraine military and civilian lives were lost. How many Russian military and civilians. Don't they count too? While we can sit safely in our homes and discuss (and some spew hatred for President Trump), we are not directly involved. An old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink is apropos. There have been many countries trying to negotiate peace, yet you choose to hate on the USA. So be it, I respect your opinion, but we are not in charge, Zelensky and Putin are in charge. I remember ten years of Vietnam, what a waste of lives to only end up giving up. JMO MOO

I think it's suffice to state that when a nation is demanding "sign the deal or we are out" in relation to a country's natural resources ....

That country is far from being "not directly involved".

This time, it's not an impartial nation trying to broker a peace deal between two combattants. If there's a mandatory "what's in it for the impartial guy", the guy is obviously not impartial.

It's a supposedly-neutral nation extorting ONE of the combattants into "buying peace" --- even though, with no security guarantee, there is no actual "peace" that Ukraine would be buying.

IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

It was reported today that the US told the UK they must NOT share intelligence with Ukraine! US and UK will have shared intelligence.

"Donald Trump bans Uk from sharing intelligence with Ukraine"

Donald Trump bans Britain from sharing US intelligence with Ukraine

DONALD TRUMP has banned Britain from sharing intelligence from the United States with Ukraine, according to reports ...

www.thenational.scot

You have to wonder how Trump thinks he could stop any of us sharing our own intelligence with Ukraine. In Five Eyes there are 4 countries who back Ukraine, and one who doesn't (the US).

I shared in a post further back of all the agencies within our 4 Five Eyes countries who are involved in global and local intelligence.

I feel pretty sure that the US just cut itself out of the Five Eyes loop of who is sharing what intelligence with who.

imo

 

[branmuffin]

In the time that peace negotiations were initiated back in 2022, how many Ukraine military and civilian lives were lost. How many Russian military and civilians. Don't they count too? While we can sit safely in our homes and discuss (and some spew hatred for President Trump), we are not directly involved. An old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink is apropos. There have been many countries trying to negotiate peace, yet you choose to hate on the USA. So be it, I respect your opinion, but we are not in charge, Zelensky and Putin are in charge. I remember ten years of Vietnam, what a waste of lives to only end up giving up. JMO MOO

If you take that premise and replace the word Ukrainian with lets say, English or French or Belgian and the word Russian with German how do you think it would it would have been received during WW2? If Germany as the original belligerent didn't care about collateral damage inflicted on their own citizenry why would the Allies?

It's seems like you are reducing this aggression by Putin to a situation where a mom intervenes in a spat between her kids where one says, well he started it. And the mom says, I don't care who started it. Go to your room.

The deaths of over 3 million Vietnamese did matter to Vietnam because if that's what took for the US to give up and leave meant it was worth it to them.

 

[Vern]

You have to wonder how Trump thinks he could stop any of us sharing our own intelligence with Ukraine. In Five Eyes there are 4 countries who back Ukraine, and one who doesn't (the US).

I shared in a post further back of all the agencies within our 4 Five Eyes countries who are involved in global and local intelligence.

I feel pretty sure that the US just cut itself out of the Five Eyes loop of who is sharing what intelligence with who.

imo

And, those 4 all happen to also be members of the Commonwealth going back even further than FVEY (or NATO for that matter).

 

[Cryptic]

It's not difficult to fact check - there is an entire field of accounting devoted to this. Fixed asset accounting. Depreciation models are used to value equipment over time. Equipment cost is not arbitrary, it's systemically tracked on the balance sheet using standardized depreciation rates.

That is neat. So, was the 350 billion US contribution the depreciation value or new, replacement type value?

 

[SouthAussie]

That is neat. So, was the 350 billion US contribution the depreciation value or new, replacement type value?

Whatever it was, the same method was not used to figure out the European contribution (by Trump).

He somehow made $174bn into $350bn from the US.
And $259bn into $100bn from Europe.

And he forgot to deduct from the US figure the ROI (return on investment) that the US received in jobs creation and resulting taxes on wages, and economic improvement, due to the growth in the US munitions industry.

imo

 

[sunshineray]

I hope it's not another false start. Hopefully we can send somebody to Ukraine just find the deal. I sure don't want to deal with another visit with Zelensky.

Personally I don't think we should sign the agreement. He's still not thanked us and he's certainly not apologized for his performance on Friday.
Moo

I certainly didn't see a performance by the President of Ukraine in the Oval Office. I did however see quite a detrimental showing by others there. MO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Is the US the boss of the UK ?
I'm a bit confused.

 

[sunshineray]

I hope Zelensky doesn't sign an agreement in haste and I wish he would wait until the visit with Trump is thoroughly investigated. I don't think any country should trust the US to maintain the terms of an agreement with integrity as long as the present government is in power.

With sadness and outrage at my government, I have to very much agree with you. President Zelensky is not and has never been a dictating aggressor, while Putin is and has clearly always been the worst form of one, for years. Our present government likes to fabricate and bloviate. It likes to straight-up lie about both leaders, President Zelensky and Putin's character...performing a farcical switcheroo, a bad vaudevillian charade. AJMO

 

[Charlot123]

No it was not tongue in cheek what was being said here. People really are angry here at Vance.

Oh I believe it. But I don’t think his target audience were the people who are now angry.

 

[Marantz4250b]

It is hard to see how the U.S can come back from this tbh. Ukraine is its ally or supposed to be. I guess on the other hand Trump should not share intelligence with Putin.

I don't see how it can under this regime. No one can trust the US now.

The problem it has is that the free world doesn't trust it but neither will the dictatorships like Rissia and places like communist China as it can't stand by its friends so why should they?

 

[Marantz4250b]

It does worry me that it might turn into a World War. Putin is doing a good job of manipulating - separating the US from Europe - weakening all the alliances. I think Trump is foolish to trust Putin. I understand Trump doesn't want to get into a war with Russia as then it would be a world war. But witholding aid and intelligence from Ukraine is just absolutely despicable. All because of an ego! Because he is annoyed about that meeting.

It literally amounts to fighting for the enemy. Abhorrent in every possible way!

 

[JennieM]

France offers intelligence to Ukraine in place of US​

After the United States yesterday announced it was pausing the sharing of intelligence with Ukraine, France has now stepped in to assist Kyiv.

Speaking this morning, France's defence minister Sebastien Lecornu told French public radio station France Inter that they are passing their intelligence onto the Ukrainians.

US and Ukraine officials to meet next week to discuss peace plans, Zelensky says

The Ukrainian leader says he will travel to Saudi Arabia where talks on bringing a "lasting" peace will take place.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

33m ago08.22 GMT

Four dead, 30 injured in overnight Russian attack on Kryvyi Rih hotel with foreign aid workers, Zelenskyy says​

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Rescuers work at the site of a hotel building hit by a Russian missile strike, amid Russia's attack on Ukraine, in Kryvyi Rih, Dnipropetrovsk region, Ukraine. Photograph: State Emergency Service Of Ukraine/Reuters

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that a number of foreign aid workers were at a hotel in his hometown Kryvyi Rih struck by a Russian missile overnight.

At least four people were dead and more than 30 injured in the attack, with 14 people rescued from rubble.

Zelenskyy said:

A ballistic missile struck an ordinary hotel. Just before the attack, volunteers from a humanitarian organisation – citizens of Ukraine, the United States, and the United Kingdom – had checked into the hotel. They survived because they managed to get down from their rooms in time.

Reporting on the attack, Zelenskyy insisted:

There must be no pause in the pressure on Russia to stop this war and terror against life.

Zelenskyy joins EU leaders’ meeting over €800bn defence plan after Macron’s stark Russia warning – Europe live

Leaders gather to discuss €800bn plan to boost military capacity and help Ukraine as French president says Europe has to be ready to defend itself without US help

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

As relations thaw, Russia appoints ambassador to US​

Vitaliy Shevchenko
Russia editor, BBC Monitoring

In a further sign of improving relations with Washington, Vladimir Putin has appointed Alexander Darchiev as Russia’s ambassador to the US.

The post had been vacant since October 2024, when long-time Russian ambassador Anatoly Antonov returned to Moscow.

Restoring diplomatic relations was the subject of recent US-Russian talks in Riyadh and then Istanbul.

US and Ukraine officials to meet next week to discuss peace plans, Zelensky says

The Ukrainian leader says he will travel to Saudi Arabia where talks on bringing a "lasting" peace will take place.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

Ukraine Air Force reports 112 Russian night-time drone attacks
​

We've just seen an update from Ukraine's Armed Forces, who report 112 Russian drones and two missiles were launched overnight.

Sixty-eight of these drones were shot down by Ukraine's Air Force, whilst 43 of them were lost "without negative consequences".

The two missiles were fired from two different locations – Voronezh region and occupied Crimea.

Some drones were shot down in Odesa, a region which was "massively attacked" by overnight Russian strikes according to the region's governor.

US and Ukraine officials to meet next week to discuss peace plans, Zelensky says

The Ukrainian leader says he will travel to Saudi Arabia where talks on bringing a "lasting" peace will take place.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

Russian missile kills three in Zelensky's home town, officials say​

(Earlier post, the dead are now four)

US and British volunteers inside Kryvyi Rih hotel struck overnight

US and Ukraine officials to meet next week to discuss peace plans, Zelensky says

The Ukrainian leader says he will travel to Saudi Arabia where talks on bringing a "lasting" peace will take place.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

55m ago08.29 GMT

Poland continues to logistically secure Ukraine, with hopes for peace talks, defence minister says​

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Ukraine's Defence Minister Rustem Umerov (L) and Poland's Defence Minister Władyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz (R) pose for the pictures prior to their meeting at the Defence Ministry in Warsaw.Photograph: Wojtek Radwański/AFP/Getty Images

Polish defence minister Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz said at a joint press conference with his Ukrainian counterpart Rustem Umerov that Poland will continue to logistically support Ukraine as it started delivering its 46th aid package, worth up to €200m.

He stressed the relevance of the logistics hub in Rzeszów-Jasionka and continuing work with Ukrainian soldiers, with nearly 28,000 trained in Poland.

“We continue to support Ukraine as we have from the first day of the war, it is incredibly important for us,” he said.

Kosiniak-Kamysz also said that a return to talks between Ukraine and US “gives hope for just peace,” as he said Poland was a strong supporter of both “transatlantic relations and increasing European [defence] capabilities.”

Zelenskyy joins EU leaders at defence summit as Russia accuses France of wanting Ukraine war to continue – Europe live

Leaders gather to discuss €800bn plan to boost military capacity as Kremlin says Macron’s comments were ‘extremely confrontational’

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

On Monday, the US suspended intelligence sharing with Ukraine and military aid - even equipment that is already in Poland can not cross the border

US and Ukraine officials to meet next week to discuss peace plans, Zelensky says

The Ukrainian leader says he will travel to Saudi Arabia where talks on bringing a "lasting" peace will take place.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

Trump will go down in history as the pettiest president.