Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #2

[Bit of hope]

Very interesting site.....including a video about fake news...fake video's Ukraine agrees to peace talks with Russia — live updates | DW | 27.02.2022

 

[Sundog]

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Liz Truss has said she would support Britons wanting to go to Ukraine to help it fight the Russian invasion.

In an interview on the BBC One’s Sunday Morning programme, the UK foreign secretary replied “absolutely” when asked whether she would back anyone wanting to volunteer to help the Ukrainians fighting for their freedom.

She told the programme: “That is something people can make their own decisions about. The people of Ukraine are fighting for freedom and democracy, not just for Ukraine but for the whole of Europe.
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Truss says she would back Britons going to Ukraine to fight Russia

Surprised to hear the UK Foreign Secretary make those remarks, as Britons who travelled to Syria in 2014 to join the civil war risked prosecution. See below.

"The Foreign Enlistment Act 1870 says that it is illegal to enlist in a foreign army at war with a country at peace with the UK. Britons volunteering in the Spanish civil war were threatened with prosecution under this act, but it was deemed unworkable and never used."

"More recently, in 2014, the CPS warned that Britons travelling to Syria to join the civil war risked prosecution, even if they were fighting against the dicatator Bashar al-Assad."

 

[Bit of hope]

Liveblog: zo'n 15.000 demonstranten op Dam voor solidariteitsactie Oekraïne

Already 15.000 people.

 

[Fika]

Surprised to hear the UK Foreign Secretary make those remarks, as Britons who travelled to Syria in 2014 to join the civil war risked prosecution. See below.

"The Foreign Enlistment Act 1870 says that it is illegal to enlist in a foreign army at war with a country at peace with the UK. Britons volunteering in the Spanish civil war were threatened with prosecution under this act, but it was deemed unworkable and never used."

"More recently, in 2014, the CPS warned that Britons travelling to Syria to join the civil war risked prosecution, even if they were fighting against the dicatator Bashar al-Assad."

I was surprised to read that too. I would expect discouragement to join the fight.
I wonder how many EU nationals and outside of EU will join the fight in Ukraine.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Very interesting site.....including a video about fake news...fake video's Ukraine agrees to peace talks with Russia — live updates | DW | 27.02.2022

That video was well done. Thanks for sharing

 

[CSIDreamer]

️FM: Ukraine will not capitulate.

“We will be happy if the result of these negotiations is peace,” Dmytro Kuleba said. "But, and I emphasize this again, we will not give up, we will not capitulate, we will not give away a centimeter of our territory.”

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497958497182490630?t=HLFqF-qfVVbBn1fXC43r9g&s=19

 

[Bit of hope]

Oekraïne stemt in met vredesonderhandelingen aan de grens met Wit-Rusland

After Ukrainian President Volodimir Zelensky rejected Russia's proposal to negotiate in the Belarusian capital Minsk on Sunday morning, both sides agreed to hold talks at the Ukraine-Belarus border. This was announced by President Zelensky's office.

Ukraine has agreed to peace negotiations with Russia: A Russian and a Ukrainian delegation will meet at the border between Ukraine and Belarus, near the river Pripyat. President Zelensky's office announced this on Sunday. Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov says the talks will take place in Homel, on the Belarus side of the border.

The talks would be held 'without additional conditions'. The negotiation comes a phone call between Zelensky and Belarusian President Aleksander Lukashenko. Lukashenko "takes responsibility" that all planes, helicopters and missiles stationed on Belarusian territory will be grounded during the trip, negotiations and the return of the Ukrainian delegation, it said in a statement.

The Ukrainian delegation has already left Kiev, confirms Fedir Venislavskyi, a party member of Zelensky. Dmytro Kuleba, Ukraine's foreign minister, says they will "listen to what Russia has to say."

Zelensky had previously rejected a proposal to negotiate in Belarus because it is not a neutral country, but emphasized in a televised speech that he was open to talks in other locations.

'Warsaw, Bratislava, Budapest, Istanbul, Baku. We've suggested them all. Any other city is good for us - in a country from which no missiles are fired at us. That is the only way for fair negotiations that can really end the war," Zelenski said in a video message on Sunday.

The Ukrainian army shot down a rocket fired from Belarusian territory on Sunday morning. "A new war crime," the Ukrainian army chief called it. 'Otherwise talks in Minsk would have been possible', says Zelenski.

The Russians clarified on Sunday that possible negotiations are no reason for them to suspend the current offensive. Shortly before Zelensky's announcement that peace negotiations had been agreed, President Putin announced in a speech on state television that he had ordered the military command to put the nuclear deterrent forces on high alert. The decision comes in response to "aggressive statements" from the west, Putin said.

 

[Sundog]

Hitchens opinion, just posting for interest.........


PETER HITCHENS: The West acts tough with Russia because we’re just too feeble to stand up to our real enemy… China.

So they finally got their war. But what are they going to do now? This is the most avoidable, needless conflict in modern history.

It was nurtured and hatched in the small minds of foolish men. There was a compromise available, but because they were too proud to consider it, terrified civilians now weep outside the ruins of what were once their homes.

At this point, these noisy boasters turn out, as usual, to have big mouths and tiny fists. The Kremlin, responding to years of deliberate humiliation, taunting and provocation, finally goes mad and invades a sovereign country. The mighty West hits back by… chucking Moscow out of the Eurovision Song Contest.

You might have thought that, after 30 years of tough talk, they could have come up with something a bit better than that. But if you had observed, as I have, the steady, shameful shrivelling of Britain’s diplomatic soft power and hard armed forces over the past three decades, you would not have been surprised.................

PETER HITCHENS: The West acts tough with Russia because we're just too feeble to stand up to China | Daily Mail Online

Well-written article and important perspective to add balance to understanding of the current situation.

I am accused of treachery, or of being an apologist for Russia, for urging a different view on this crisis. Surely this is how dissent is treated in dictatorships.

 

[dotr]

rbbm.
Ukraine invasion: What to know as Putin alerts nuclear force | KLEW (klewtv.com)
''Those fleeing Europe's largest armed conflict since World War II grew to 368,000 Ukrainians — mostly women and children — who have reached neighboring countries, the United Nations' refugee agency said. That figure more than doubles the agency's estimate from the day before.

The line of vehicles at the Poland-Ukraine border stretched 14 kilometers (8.7 miles), and those fleeing had to endure long waits in freezing temperatures overnight. Over 100,000 people have crossed into Poland alone, according to Polish officials.

Amid the rush to escape the bombs and tanks, there was also what looked like a trickle of brave men and women who want to head home to defend Ukraine or help others do so.''

''At a border crossing in southern Poland, Associated Press journalists spoke to people in a line heading against the tide. They included a group of some 20 Ukrainian truck drivers who worked in Europe and wanted to face combat.
GERMAN MILITARY SHIFT
A day after Germany announced it would send military aid to Ukraine, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that his government will increase its own defense spending to rearm amid the uncertainty of the extent of Putin's ambitions.''

 

[Bit of hope]

Oekraïne stemt in met vredesonderhandelingen aan de grens met Wit-Rusland

After Ukrainian President Volodimir Zelensky rejected Russia's proposal to negotiate in the Belarusian capital Minsk on Sunday morning, both sides agreed to hold talks at the Ukraine-Belarus border. This was announced by President Zelensky's office.

Ukraine has agreed to peace negotiations with Russia: A Russian and a Ukrainian delegation will meet at the border between Ukraine and Belarus, near the river Pripyat. President Zelensky's office announced this on Sunday. Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov says the talks will take place in Homel, on the Belarus side of the border.

The talks would be held 'without additional conditions'. The negotiation comes a phone call between Zelensky and Belarusian President Aleksander Lukashenko. Lukashenko "takes responsibility" that all planes, helicopters and missiles stationed on Belarusian territory will be grounded during the trip, negotiations and the return of the Ukrainian delegation, it said in a statement.

The Ukrainian delegation has already left Kiev, confirms Fedir Venislavskyi, a party member of Zelensky. Dmytro Kuleba, Ukraine's foreign minister, says they will "listen to what Russia has to say."

Zelensky had previously rejected a proposal to negotiate in Belarus because it is not a neutral country, but emphasized in a televised speech that he was open to talks in other locations.

'Warsaw, Bratislava, Budapest, Istanbul, Baku. We've suggested them all. Any other city is good for us - in a country from which no missiles are fired at us. That is the only way for fair negotiations that can really end the war," Zelenski said in a video message on Sunday.

The Ukrainian army shot down a rocket fired from Belarusian territory on Sunday morning. "A new war crime," the Ukrainian army chief called it. 'Otherwise talks in Minsk would have been possible', says Zelenski.

The Russians clarified on Sunday that possible negotiations are no reason for them to suspend the current offensive. Shortly before Zelensky's announcement that peace negotiations had been agreed, President Putin announced in a speech on state television that he had ordered the military command to put the nuclear deterrent forces on high alert. The decision comes in response to "aggressive statements" from the west, Putin said.

Say what??? Why should they talk if the stopping of the offensive is not on the table?

 

[Elley Mae]

Say what??? Why should they talk if the stopping of the offensive is not on the table?

Probably has no intention of stopping.


Jmo

Would Love to be wrong.

 

[mickey2942]

What "aggressive statements" has the west made? Just that Ukraine has support. ?

 

[tedtink]

Say what??? Why should they talk if the stopping of the offensive is not on the table?

I hope we won't see a kidnap/hostage situation take place.
Jeez, I'm on 'high alert' myself and questioning my own rationality atm
I need a cuppa.

 

[Boxer]

Well-written article and important perspective to add balance to understanding of the current situation.
I am accused of treachery, or of being an apologist for Russia, for urging a different view on this crisis. Surely this is how dissent is treated in dictatorships.

No one has to like a viewpoint and they can say so.
MOO Hitchen's is an educated, witty but hollow man.
How dissent is treated in dicatorship? Think of Navalny running as the opposition candidate in Russia. He survived poisoning and now being slowly killed in a Gulag.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I hope we won't see a kidnap/hostage situation take place.
Jeez, I'm on 'high alert' myself and questioning my own rationality atm
I need a cuppa.

I have a bad feeling the delegation went there knowing they may or may not return. JMO

 

[AliceInPain]

They've already started a war, I don't see how "peace negotiations" will do anything.
They're just there to murder the Ukraine president, imo.

 

[Fika]

They've already started a war, I don't see how "peace negotiations" will do anything.
They're just there to murder the Ukraine president, imo.

And his family …

 

[CSIDreamer]

They've already started a war, I don't see how "peace negotiations" will do anything.
They're just there to murder the Ukraine president, imo.

They have a list of people they want. He's just # 1 on it.

Speaking of, has anyone seen a list of who Putin is after in Ukraine?

JMO

 

[Tiff23fr]

2 min ago
Turkish foreign minister: Turkey recognizes the Russian invasion to Ukraine as "war"

From CNN's Isil Sariyuce in Istanbul

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on Sunday that Turkey has decided that Russia’s invasion to Ukraine is a “war”.

“Is this a conflict or a war? We decided on that. Article 19 of the Montreux Convention is very clear. This is a war.” he said in a live interview to CNN Turk.

Live updates: Russia invades Ukraine

 

[Herat]

Putin can Never Never Ever be trusted.

Right now his grand mission to annex Ukraine and take over the government by violence seems to have met with a hitch, and this makes him look VULNERABLE.

His own small cadre of advisors and others in Russia must be giving him some criticism. He may have miscalculated the international outrage and the rapid institution of all kinds of sanctions. The Swift closure must have something to do with this, as it will affect the $$$$ of some of his cadre of supporters.

If so, then the free world must hold fast and not be intimidated by his bluster about nuclear weapons.

Putting nuclear weapons in an armed status is a threat that really can only be used once. Then it becomes the tyrant who cried wolf and he loses all impact.

Strange and very disturbing turn of events