Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #2

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Interesting...

"DW analyst says Putin's order on nuclear alert not clear
Former Russian military officer Konstantin Eggert says he had "trouble discerning" what Putin meant when he said nuclear forces are on higher alert.

"The expression he used to indicate some heightened state of alert does not exist in Russian military manuals," Eggert, DW's Russia affairs analyst, told our TV channel.

There are four levels of alert in the Russian military, Eggert explained. Those four levels are: regular, heightened, threat of war and full or complete.

"Nuclear forces are pretty much always on heightened alert," Eggert noted."

Ukraine agrees to peace talks with Russia — live updates | DW | 27.02.2022
 
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2 min ago
Turkish foreign minister: Turkey recognizes the Russian invasion to Ukraine as "war"

From CNN's Isil Sariyuce in Istanbul

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on Sunday that Turkey has decided that Russia’s invasion to Ukraine is a “war”.

“Is this a conflict or a war? We decided on that. Article 19 of the Montreux Convention is very clear. This is a war.” he said in a live interview to CNN Turk.

Live updates: Russia invades Ukraine

As a NATO partner, this is a very important step for Turkey to take and very necessary to avoid having Putin thinking he can "run the table" and control all of the Black Sea or the any part of the Mediterranean.
 
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⚡️FM: Ukraine will not capitulate.

“We will be happy if the result of these negotiations is peace,” Dmytro Kuleba said. "But, and I emphasize this again, we will not give up, we will not capitulate, we will not give away a centimeter of our territory.”

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497958497182490630?t=HLFqF-qfVVbBn1fXC43r9g&s=19

If each side gives a list of their demands related to the negotiations, then perhaps they can agree to a cease-fire while the negotiations continue.

I do wish they had a third party there to help with negotiations, someone that both sides are comfortable with, but perhaps that will come later.
 
  • #184
Also surprising from that same link...


Two Russian billionaires come out against war
Russian oligarchs Oleg Deripaska and Mikhail Fridman called for an end to the invasion of Ukraine.

Fridman, who was born in western Ukraine, called it a tragedy for both Russia and Ukraine. In a letter to his staff, he wrote that the war was creating divisions between Russians and Ukrainians who he said have been brothers for centuries.

He wrote, "My parents are Ukrainian citizens and live in Lviv, my favorite city."


Ukraine agrees to peace talks with Russia — live updates | DW | 27.02.2022
 
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And his family …
I don't think so. Do you have any examples of where/ when Russian authorities killed the man's family?
 
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Feb 25 2022 rbbm.
Russia’s War: Use of Nukes ‘Extremely Unlikely’ | The Tyee
''Sens agreed, noting the risk of Russia, or any other nuclear-armed state using nuclear weapons is “extremely unlikely.”

However, the risk “is not zero,” because the weapons do exist, he added.

According to the Arms Control Association, a 50-year-old nonpartisan organization that works to help countries get rid of their nuclear weapons, Russia leads the world with a stockpile of 6,257 nuclear warheads, followed by the U.S. with 5,550. These two countries hold 90 per cent of the world’s total 13,080 warheads. (Note that around 9,600 warheads are in military service and 3,480 are lying around, waiting to be safely dismantled.)

This is a huge drop since the early 1990s, when Sens said there were around 70,000 nuclear warheads in the world.

Nuclear weapons aside, the invasion is still “a very bad development for global politics in general, and for European security in particular,” Sens said.

The world is struggling to emerge from the pandemic, the climate crisis is ramping up, and an invasion is the last thing anyone — including Russia — needs right now, he said. “But here we are.”

Which is why it might be a good time to pay attention to — no matter how small the chance — the risk that this conflict could go nuclear.''

Does the UK have air raid sirens? What would happen in the event of a nuclear attack - and how would we know? | NationalWorld
 
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2 min ago
Turkish foreign minister: Turkey recognizes the Russian invasion to Ukraine as "war"

From CNN's Isil Sariyuce in Istanbul

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on Sunday that Turkey has decided that Russia’s invasion to Ukraine is a “war”.

“Is this a conflict or a war? We decided on that. Article 19 of the Montreux Convention is very clear. This is a war.” he said in a live interview to CNN Turk.

Live updates: Russia invades Ukraine
Well finally...took those lawyers too long to decide the obvious. Glad they did. Din't know if it will really help because I understand Turkey still won't be able to bar Russian warships from returning through those straits if they state they are returning to their home base [Crimea]
 
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If each side gives a list of their demands related to the negotiations, then perhaps they can agree to a cease-fire while the negotiations continue.

I do wish they had a third party there to help with negotiations, someone that both sides are comfortable with, but perhaps that will come later.

I wish this was happening in Switzerland, not near Belarus
 
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“ The enemy has marked me as target number one, my family as target number two,” Mr. Zelensky told Ukrainians in a televised address in the small hours of Friday morning. “They want to destroy Ukraine politically by destroying the head of the state”

His own words.

Ukraine’s Leader Zelensky Is ‘Target Number One’ for Putin
Yes. But have they actually ever killed wives and children? I know P is crazy right now, but have the Russians ever killed wives or children, that's what I'm wondering. ??
I don't want to argue, just curious about that.
 
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I don't think so. Do you have any examples of where/ when Russian authorities killed the man's family?

Former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal's daughter was severely injured in the Novichok-on-the-doorknob assassination attempt of her father, and two other totally unrelated people were poisoned by using the leftover vial, one of them dying.

Collateral damage is not a problem with Putin.
 
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Heaven forbid, but forewarned is forearmed. rbbm.
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Well finally...took those lawyers too long to decide the obvious. Glad they did. Din't know if it will really help because I understand Turkey still won't be able to bar Russian warships from returning through those straits if they state they are returning to their home base [Crimea]

It's important, because Turkey is a 60 year NATO partner and has the Russian province of Georgia as a border, Putin marched into Georgia and took it over with military force, just as he is attempting with Ukraine.

Turkey wants no business with anyone interfering with the Bosphorus and Putin is the one guy who would want to do that.
 
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Former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal's daughter was severely injured in the Novichok-on-the-doorknob assassination attempt of her father, and two other totally unrelated people were poisoned by using the leftover vial, one of them dying.

Collateral damage is not a problem with Putin.
Yes, but no actual children involved. Or wives.
Again, not trying to argue. Don't hate me.
 
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Putin puts Russia's nuclear forces on alert as fighting in Ukraine continues - CBS
Kyiv — In a dramatic escalation of East-West tensions over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian nuclear deterrent forces put on alert Sunday in response to what he called "aggressive statements" by leading NATO powers.

[...]

The practical meaning of Putin's order was not immediately clear. Russia and the United States typically have the land- and submarine-based segments of their strategic nuclear forces on alert and prepared for combat at all times, but nuclear-capable bombers and other aircraft are not.

If Putin is arming or otherwise raising the nuclear combat readiness of his bombers, or if he is ordering more ballistic missile submarines to sea, then the United States might feel compelled to respond in kind, according to Hans Kristensen, a nuclear analyst at the Federation of American Scientists. That would mark a worrisome escalation and a potential crisis, he said.

[...]

Putin hasn't disclosed his ultimate plans, but Western officials believe he is determined to overthrow Ukraine's government and replace it with a regime of his own, redrawing the map of Europe and reviving Moscow's Cold War-era influence.

The pressure on strategic ports in the south of Ukraine appeared aimed at seizing control of the country's coastline stretching from the border with Romania in the west to the border with Russia in the east. A Russian Defense Ministry spokesman, Major General Igor Konashenkov, said Russian forces had blocked the cities of Kherson on the Black Sea and the port of Berdyansk on the Azov Sea.
 
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If each side gives a list of their demands related to the negotiations, then perhaps they can agree to a cease-fire while the negotiations continue.

I do wish they had a third party there to help with negotiations, someone that both sides are comfortable with, but perhaps that will come later.

Exactly my thoughts.....why is there not a cease-fire???
 
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I have a bad feeling the delegation went there knowing they may or may not return. JMO
Betraying a truce party is definitely a possibility.
Stalin famously said "no man, no problem."
 
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