Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #3

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FROM YESTERDAY /heartbreaking, hospital patients underground /sick babies underground, all the refugees
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Eta: Putin’s eyes look “detached” me. He looks “far away”, imo.

Eta2: I forgot about that old Stone’s song, “Far Away Eyes”. I’m sure they didn’t have this in mind. :(


Eta3: I wonder if P is on drugs?

Eta4: Maybe the far away detached eyes are just a dark soul.
 
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Some reporters are so brave, I don't know how they do it.
And that bomb in the second clip does not look like an "ordinary" bomb.
 
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Russian and Belarusian athletes banned from Winter Paralympics after U-turn

Paralympic Committee reverses its original decision after threats of boycott over Ukraine conflict

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The IPC’s announcement on Wednesday that athletes from those countries would be allowed to compete under a neutral flag despite the Russian invasion of Ukraine was met by criticism and the threat of a boycott.

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(IPC president Andrew) Parsons apologised to athletes from Russia and Belarus: “First and foremost, we have a duty as part of the Paralympic mission, enshrined in the constitution, to guarantee and supervise the organisation of successful Paralympic Games, to ensure that, in sport practised within the Paralympic movement, the spirit of fair play prevails, violence is banned, the health risk of the athletes is managed and fundamental ethical principles are upheld.

“With this in mind, and in order to preserve the integrity of these Games and the safety of all participants, we have decided to refuse the athlete entries from Russian Paralympic Committee and NPC Belarus. To the Para athletes from the impacted countries, we are very sorry that you are affected by the decisions your governments took last week in breaching the Olympic truce. You are victims of your governments’ actions.

“I hope and pray that we can get back to a situation when the talk and focus is fully on the power of sport to transform the lives of persons with disabilities, and the best of humanity.”

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⚡️Russia's Ministry of Enlightenment announced it will stream an ‘All-Russian Open Lesson’ on why “the liberation mission in Ukraine is a necessity” on Mar. 3 at 12 p.m. Moscow time.

⚡️The lesson will discuss why “NATO posses a threat to Russia” and why Russia “stood up to defend the “peaceful residents of Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics.”

@kyivindependent

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1499211278925152261?s=21

:rolleyes:

ETA: What exactly is a Ministry of Enlightenment?

ETA #2: Oh, wait… I think that phrasing might’ve been sarcasm. :D

Maybe already answered; it's the name for the Ministry of Education.
 
  • #485
Some more news about yesterday’s violation of Swedish airspace.


Expert on Russian plane crash: "Most intense since the Cold War"

One of the world's leading experts on nuclear weapons, Hans Kristensen, head of nuclear weapons research at the Federation of American Scientists, has commented on Wednesday's Russian aircraft violation of Swedish airspace east of Gotland.

Two of the fighter jets were of the model Su-24, which is an attack aircraft and has the capacity for nuclear bombs, according to Stockholm's International Peace Research Institute (Sipri) annual compilation of the world's nuclear weapons, for which he is responsible.

Kristensen describes the Russian maneuver as the most intense since the Cold War and may affect Sweden's current position of not being a member of the NATO defense alliance.

In 2013, an incident called "Russian Easter"occurred when Russia practiced nuclear weapons in heavy bombers. These then never violated Swedish airspace.”

Kriget i Ukraina
 
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omg.... this is just such a dreadfully poignant interview between Michael Isikoff and Daniel Hoffman, longtime CIA Russia expert.

Hoffman: All those things were Vladimir Putin playing chess with limited but achievable objectives. This one, Vladimir Putin has altered his risk calculus. He’s playing poker where he might not have the strongest hand.

Hoffman: "The No. 1 recurring question that President Biden is asking the intelligence community is, “Give me the leadership profile on Vladimir Putin. No, no, no, no, no. Not the one from February ’22. I need the one from today.” Because he’s not the same guy. There are all kinds of rumors about whatever might be wrong with him medically. Sen. Marco Rubio said that he had neuropsychological issues. Rubio sits on a Senate intel committee, wouldn’t go into detail about sources and methods, wouldn’t go into further detail about exactly what that means. But that’s a very important statement that he made. …...

And so what we might see are the Russian elites changing their assessment of Vladimir Putin."

Me: Will the Russian Elites really really have the guts to do this????

Putin is determined to 'burn down Ukraine's house,' former CIA operative says

1) I am not a political analyst, but to me, it seems that Russian elites would not have the guts nor the interest to do anything of sorts. They probably have left the country, most probably have dual citizenship anyhow, and are trying to save their assets.

2) There is something saddening, illogical in Hoffmann’s assessment. (He should be a professional, after all). First, he says

“I will tell you that this isn’t the Vladimir Putin I was tracking back in the day at CIA. He’s a different guy.” And then he starts elaborating and paints a man who: “won a lot of wars — a brutal war in Chechnya. He invaded Georgia in 2008, but didn’t try to take Tbilisi. He invaded Ukraine in ’14 and annexed Crimea, and invaded the Donbas, and kind of settled on a frozen conflict there.”

And then he says “Think about the poisoning of [Russian dissident Alexander] Litvinenko with radioactive polonium-210.” And then he mentions assassination of Nemtsov, attempts at Skripals and Navalny. So he enumerates these things all serious, and it is a crescendo, and then suddenly he says, that “Putin has changed.” (How??) Mentioning Rubio surprises me mostly because it is gossipy since Rubio is not a doctor.

3) I think what might have changed the situation for Putin is, ironically, the intensity of our press after 2016. Think of this, I don’t know how the Internet is now in Russia, but it used to be pretty open, so everyone could read everything. And people were reading very demeaning things about the person who, after all, was on the very top of what is called “the vertical of power” in Russia. But: if Putin that Hoffman describes is very sensitive to either criticism or any form of rivalry/contention, then, maybe those four years of incessant attacks might have contributed to him being changed? I know it is free press, but when instead of analytical, we drop to meme level…sigh. In 2016, I unfollowed Twitter and stopped watching TV, all channels, for my sanity. However, there is a very well-known Ukrainian TV journalist, Dmitry Gordon, that I used to watch. I wish people here could listen to him. He is a political opponent of Putin, and he thinks, maybe rightly so, that there is a price tag on his head. He interviewed many of Putin’s critics. He is a fantastic interviewer, so people open up to him like to no one else. But - he was never humiliating, and this given Crimea, and Donetsk/Lugansk. He was asking people he interviewed very direct questions, so one could form an opinion, but humiliating, he was never. High-class journalism, and while I understand that people like Zelinsky or Klitschko decided to sacrifice themselves, I hope Gordon has the chance to leave, because we shall be in the need of good journalists.

4) I am writing this because: a) primed by the press always writing something about Putin, when in January I would see “Putin” pop up in the news, my response would be like “oh, the usual sensational stuff”. I am positive that many responded the same way. b) if officials got classified information about Putin planning the invasion, it is surprising that nothing was done in January to prevent, and everyone waited for the invasion to happen. c) I am incredibly afraid of nuclear apocalypse, and doubt anyone’s ability to analyze the situation.

I am afraid that, looking at the map and seeing how close Kiev is to the Belarus border, it might be taken. I wonder if West Ukraine will stay free. I hope it all is not for long.
 
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Conflicting accounts about civilian deaths in Ukraine
13 hr 52 min ago

“More than 2,000 Ukrainians died, not counting our defenders,” the service said in a statement before removing it.

CNN has reached out to Ukraine’s State Emergency Service for more information.

“Children, women and our defense forces are losing their lives every hour,” the statement said before it was removed.

According to the service, some transport infrastructures, houses, hospitals and kindergartens have been “destroyed” by Russian forces over the last seven days.

Meanwhile, the United Nations’ reported civilian death toll is far lower than the “more than 2,000” figure, although the UN has cautioned that the real toll is likely to be “much higher.”
 
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Police in Poland warned that fake reports of violent crimes being committed by people fleeing Ukraine are circulating on social media after Polish nationalists attacked and abused groups of African, south Asian and Middle Eastern people who had crossed the border.

I find this utterly disturbing.

Police in Poland have warned that fake reports of violent crimes being committed by people fleeing Ukraine are circulating on social media after Polish nationalists attacked and abused groups of African, south Asian and Middle Eastern people who had crossed the border last night.

Attackers dressed in black sought out groups of non-white refugees, mainly students who had just arrived in Poland at Przemyśl train station from cities in Ukraine after the Russian invasion. According to the police, three Indians were beaten up by a group of five men, leaving one of them hospitalised.

“Around 7pm, these men started to shout and yell against groups of African and Middle Eastern refugees who were outside the train station,” two Polish journalists from the press agency OKO, who first reported the incident, told the Guardian. “They yelled at them: ‘Go back to the train station! Go back to your country.’”

Following the incident, police in Poland warned that groups linked to the far right are already spreading false information about alleged crimes committed by people from Africa and the Middle East fleeing war in Ukraine.

Przemyśl police said on Twitter: “In the media, there is false information that serious crimes have occurred in Przemyśl and the border: burglaries, assaults and rape. It’s not true. The police did not record an increased number of crimes in connection with the situation at the border. #StopFakeNews.”

Police intervened and riot officers were deployed after groups of men arrived chanting “Przemyśl always Polish”.
 
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Some more news about yesterday’s violation of Swedish airspace.


Expert on Russian plane crash: "Most intense since the Cold War"

One of the world's leading experts on nuclear weapons, Hans Kristensen, head of nuclear weapons research at the Federation of American Scientists, has commented on Wednesday's Russian aircraft violation of Swedish airspace east of Gotland.

Two of the fighter jets were of the model Su-24, which is an attack aircraft and has the capacity for nuclear bombs, according to Stockholm's International Peace Research Institute (Sipri) annual compilation of the world's nuclear weapons, for which he is responsible.

Kristensen describes the Russian maneuver as the most intense since the Cold War and may affect Sweden's current position of not being a member of the NATO defense alliance.

In 2013, an incident called "Russian Easter"occurred when Russia practiced nuclear weapons in heavy bombers. These then never violated Swedish airspace.”

Kriget i Ukraina

I haven't seen this before. Possibly I missed it. Some more background.

https://www.thelocal.se/20220302/four-russian-fighter-jets-violate-swedish-airspace-over-baltic-sea/

Four Russian fighter jets entered Sweden's air space to the east of the island of Gotland on Wednesday evening, the Swedish Armed Forces said in a statement.

“Against the background of the current situation we are taking the incident very seriously,” Carl-Johan Edström, Chief of Sweden’s Air Force, told AFP.

According to the Swedish Armed Forces, the violation was brief, but Swedish Jas 39 Gripen jets were scrambled to document and photograph the two Su-24 and two Su-27 fighter jets.

The violation occurred during the day, at about the same time as a joint Swedish-Finnish military exercise in the Baltic Sea.

Edström told Sweden’s TT newswire that the four Russian fighter jets had flown “a few kilometres” into Swedish airspace, and that two Swedish fighters were sent up to meet them.

“We saw that they were nearing Swedish territory on the eastern side of Gotland, from the north,” he told the newswire. “As we arrived, an airspace and territory violation was carried out by the Russian jets. We were on the scene and could directly confirm that it had been done, and made sure it couldn’t happen again.”

Defence expert Robert Dalsjö told TT that Wednesday’s violation might be a warning to Sweden against Ukraine’s side.

“It would be very surprising if it wasn’t a way for Russia to send a message,” he said. “Four planes violating Swedish airspace at the same time looks a lot like a statement, especially now.”
 
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Eta: Mayor, from above video, “We’re ready. We’re ready to protect our families, we’re ready to protect our city, and we will fight, and we are going to win this war, and as we say in Ukraine, “This is the start of his end.”
 
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About Abramovich selling Chelsea. I could not quite understand why he bought it. But yesterday, Rain YouTube (BTW, Rain TV and Echo Moskvy have been closed, so they were probably better sources of information from all Russian sites Russia Blocks Its Last Independent Television Channel) had an interesting interview.

It was a Russian economist living, if I am not mistaken, in Paris. He commented on Russian sanctions, on why China did not support Russia, on Friedman. Bottom line, even if a bank wants to buy a sanctioned party’s avoirs, it might be fined. It can not even buy gold from the sanctioned country. It once happened to a Chinese bank, in a different situation, and they paid a heavy fine.

But a football club is not gold, nor any banking proceedings. It was probably an incredibly smart investment. So far, the problem with selling Chelsea was that the potential buyer wanted to negotiate. I think helping Ukraine is a good marketing strategy from Abramovich, all the more so that he likely has some partners in Ukraine, too, but mostly, he needs to sell this club.
 
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Inserted press conference of the Dutch government in a minute. Very curious. It's belated.
 
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In case Blinken video hasn’t been posted
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This was quite a big story here in Ireland in January. The government got nowhere trying to get the Russians to move their naval exercises outside the Irish EEZ but a group of fishermen announced they would sail out and confront them and the Russians agreed to move their exercises.

How a group of Irish fishermen forced the Russian Navy into a U-turn - CNN

How Irish Fishermen Took on the Russian Fleet and Won

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Murphy said the fishermen would be making a coordinated effort to head off the Russian fleet. “Our boats will be going out to that area on the first of February to go fishing,” he told Politico on Jan. 25. “When one boat needs to return to port, another will head out so there is a continuous presence on the water. If that is in proximity to where the [military] exercise is going, we are expecting that the Russian naval services abide by the anti-collision regulations.” By constantly having their boats in the exercise waters, the fishermen would—peacefully—prevent the Russians from conducting the exercise.

Their action worked. On Jan. 29, Filatov issued a statement announcing that Russia’s defense minister, Sergey Shoigu, had decided, “as a gesture of goodwill, to relocate the exercises by the Russian Navy, planned for February 3-8, outside the Irish exclusive economic zone (EEZ), with the aim not to hinder fishing activities by the Irish vessels in the traditional fishing areas.”

The Irish fishermen didn’t just humiliate Moscow: they also put Western capitals’ deterrence efforts to shame. And they did so by announcing asymmetric deterrence.

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Éirinn go Brách
 
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Russian soldiers captured by Ukrainian forces in southern city of Mykolaiv

Excerpt:
Russian soldier calls home:
One of the captured Russian soldiers was filmed while being allowed to call his mother on the telephone, according to a video posted on Telegram by the region's governor, Vitaliy Kim.

"Don’t worry, I am okay," the soldier told his mother.
A Ukrainian soldier took over the call and said, "You know what your son does? He fights and kills our civilians."

The Russian soldier added, "Mom, I am a prisoner. And, basically, Mom, go to the military registration and enlistment office and start getting together the Council of Soldiers' Mothers so that they would get our people out of here, those who are fighting in Ukraine."
The Ukrainian soldier added, "We will not touch him because I am half Russian and Ukrainian."

Live updates: Russia invades Ukraine
This truly gets to me. It's like a civil war. It's like brother fighting brother. Like a kid whose mother if from Maine and father is from Colorado. Would that kid want to kill people from either state? How would that kid feel being captured in Maine by someone from Colorado?

The biggest threat to the Ukrainians, and everyone, is the blackout of the free press in Russia. Total fabrications are being fed via state media. That insane garbage that Russia's Foreign Secretary Lavrov just spouted in that question and answer broadcast for the world...well that was a war crime, IMO
 
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video from 8 hours ago (I know the updates in here are up to the minute, posting for visual purposes)

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