Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #4

[Skigh]

Hmm, boycott "Coke" products in the United States would be an interesting move. How much do people in the US really care about what is going on in the Ukraine? Enough to give up Coca Cola?

Actually, I don't see that happening here. People really don't seem to be all that involved in this conflict. MOO.

As for sending fighter jets to Ukraine, what is the point? You need to have specialized crews for flight, maintenance, fuel. It isn't a Ford truck.

How much time are national t.v companies devoting to news coverage in the states? Here it is 24 hour coverage with very little time given to any other news .

Are people really not that interested in what is happening?

 

[CSIDreamer]

Whoa!

2m ago 11:42

Axios reporter Barak Ravid says that Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett traveled to Moscow in secret:

Barak Ravid(@BarakRavid)
BREAKING: Israeli Prime Minister Bennett travelled secretly to Moscow. Meeting Putin now

March 5, 2022

 

[Sundog]

Hmm, boycott "Coke" products in the United States would be an interesting move. How much do people in the US really care about what is going on in the Ukraine? Enough to give up Coca Cola?

Actually, I don't see that happening here. People really don't seem to be all that involved in this conflict. MOO.

As for sending fighter jets to Ukraine, what is the point? You need to have specialized crews for flight, maintenance, fuel. It isn't a Ford truck.

Boycotting coca-cola while putting Russian oil and gas in our cars doesn't make sense. We need an embargo on Russian oil by the U.S. government, that would make a difference.

 

[sunshineray]

I don’t know what Putin’s goal could be at this point except to save face and “win”. Neither of those things is ever going to happen, though. Even if Russia seizes control of the country and sets up a puppet regime like he wanted, the Ukrainian people will never be okay with it and there will be a massive insurgency for however long it takes to overthrow his “new government”.

Putin has effectively isolated his country and citizens from the culture of the world and everything that brings us pleasure — films, music, travel, sports. He’s destroyed the economy and taken away free speech. He dreamed of rejoining the Soviet republics and ruling over his new Russian empire, but he’s only pushed them further away. He’s now just cutting off his nose to spite his face.

Yep, just a nose-less wannabe Czar hiding out in his Bond villain lair on the Black Sea...when he's not talking to trainee airline stewardesses about his brave war against Ukrainian Nazis, especially the main Jewish one...or competing in Tae Kwon Do...oh wait sanctioned...or while flying to foreign vacation homes or boatrides with rich buddies...oh wait, blocked or snatched...or shopping for some high end Spring fashions and then watching a fun blockbuster Hollywood movie in his private theater...opps nada...maybe he should just stick with the stewardesses

 

[CSIDreamer]

How much time are national t.v companies devoting to news coverage in the states? Here it is 24 hour coverage with very little time given to any other news .

Are people really not that interested in what is happening?

I see a lot on TV here. We get a lot of info from online, though.

 

[PommyMommy]

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 6 hours ago
️Zelensky addresses the nation: "Today is Saturday but it means nothing. Our country doesn’t have weekends anymore. It doesn't matter what’s on the clock or in the calendar. And it will be this way until we win."

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - Video, 5 hours ago
Pregnant women and mothers with their newborn babies hide at the basement of a maternity hospital in Odesa, a port city in southern #Ukraine, during an air raid alert.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 3 hours ago
️Media: Italy seizes property worth $150 million from Russian oligarchs.
According to The Guardian, the list includes villas of billionaire Alisher Usmanov and Russian state TV host Vladimir Soloviev, yachts of Russia’s richest man, Alexei Mordashov, and Gennady Timchenko.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 23 minutes ago
️Ukraine's richest man Akhmetov speaks up about Russia's war.
Ten days after Russia launched an all-out offensive on Ukraine, oligarch Rinat Akhmetov told Ekonomichna Pravda that he had cut business contacts with Russia and had no more interests or assets in the country.

 

[sunshineray]

MAR 5, 2022
Evacuation Plans Halted, As Ukrainians Say Russian Troops Ignoring Declared Cease-Fire (rferl.org)
[...]

"For security reasons, the evacuation is therefore postponed," Mariupol city authorities said via Telegram. They said talks were continuing with Russia on how to "ensure a safe humanitarian corridor."

"We ask all residents of Mariupol to return to their places of refuge," they said.

Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said in a video statement that Russia had "violated the agreement" and despite the mediation of the Red Cross "is shelling the city of Volnovakha."

Vereshchuk cited ongoing attacks with "heavy weaponry" and called on the Russian side to "cease shelling, restore the cease-fire, and allow the formation of columns of the humanitarian corridor so that children, women, and the elderly can leave the settlements."

She also urged Russia to provide an opportunity for humanitarian supplies including "medicine, insulin, and so on, as well as food" from the cities of Dnipro and Zaporizhzhya.

It was not clear that Russian bombardments stopped at any point.

[...]

I read they managed to get 400 out of 15,000 out before they had to stop because of danger.

 

[PommyMommy]

Russian Anti-War Activist Gets 30 Days In Jail Over Call For Protest (rferl.org)
Russian opposition activist and former Moscow lawmaker Yulia Galyamina has been sentenced to 30 days in jail on a charge of violating the law on public events over her attempt to organize a protest against Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Galyamina's lawyer, Maria Eismont, said Moscow's Savelovsky district court sentenced her client on March 5, a day after she was detained.

Russian authorities have been trying to stamp out public expressions of opposition to the unprovoked attack on Ukraine and have erected unprecedented barriers to independent reporting.

 

[scandinavian girl]

I always boycott coca cola so that won’t be difficult

me too and have done so for 20 years

 

[JerseyGirl]

Whoa!

2m ago 11:42

Axios reporter Barak Ravid says that Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett traveled to Moscow in secret:

Barak Ravid(@BarakRavid)
BREAKING: Israeli Prime Minister Bennett travelled secretly to Moscow. Meeting Putin now

March 5, 2022

Israel's Naftali Bennett in Russia for Ukraine talks with Vladimir Putin

The meeting comes as Israel has been trying to balance the national security importance of coordination with Russia before airstrikes on Iranian targets in Syria, where the Russian Army is the dominant force, with Israel's strongest strategic alliance with the US and support for democracy and international order.

Israel condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine through Foreign Minister Yair Lapid and a vote in the UN General Assembly, but Bennett has been reticent to say anything about Russia. In his recent statements he has expressed support for the Ukrainian people and called for negotiations.

Bennett spoke twice with Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky since Russia invaded Ukraine. Zelensky has asked Bennett to try to mediate between the sides.

 

[mickey2942]

Boycotting coca-cola while putting Russian oil and gas in our cars doesn't make sense. We need an embargo on Russian oil by the U.S. government, that would make a difference.

And it will be interesting if that happens. The rest has been "fluff". Oil. That is real.

 

[Sundog]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...in-in-moscow-over-ukraine-invasion-1.10654195

Israel's Prime Minister Naftali Bennett met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow on Saturday to discuss the Ukraine crisis, his office said.

According to the Israeli statement, the two leaders met for more than two and half hours.

Israel, home to a substantial population of Russian immigrants, has offered to mediate in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, though officials have previously played down expectations of a breakthrough.

Bennett is accompanied by Ukrainian-born Minister Zeev Elkin, who joined previous meetings between Israeli prime ministers and Russia's Putin, as well as senior advisers.

 

[fred&edna]

And it will be interesting if that happens. The rest has been "fluff". Oil. That is real.

I support an embargo of Russian oil, yes! And, I'll add... Russia can keep their wheat/grain,too. I say we throw total support into US farmers/growers however we can!

ETA:
Infographic: Russia, Ukraine and the global wheat supply

Can the US offer a better export? Could US and Ukraine farmers work together?

 

[Bit of hope]

Strange thought...everybody is saying Putin looks so different.....could it be a "stand in"?

 

[Sundog]

Don't care which world leader is able to make some progress in talks with Putin, a 2 1/2 hour meeting with Israel's prime minister today is a good thing, it's not good to leave Putin totally isolated in talks with world leaders. Erdogan tomorrow, praying for an opening somewhere that come out of these and ongoing talks.

Erdogan To Speak With Putin As Turkey Pushes For End To Ukraine War

A spokesman for Recep Tayyip Erdogan says the Turkish president will speak to Russian President Vladimir Putin on March 6 and that Ankara is ready to do what it can to stop the war in Ukraine.

Turkey, a NATO member, has close relations with both Kyiv and Russia and has been urging an end to the fighting since Putin announced the full-scale invasion on February 24.

 

[Bit of hope]

So.. for Putin to say that the sanctions are akin to declarations of war.. it almost feels like he's poking at/baiting NATO to get involved. Does anyone else feel this way?

Because of course invoking a no fly zone over Ukraine would be getting directly involved in the conflict..but it's like he's saying "you've already declared war, go ahead."

That's just the feeling I get reading those statements.

I actually feel that way too, yes. He keeps on provoking....because he considers all of us weaklings. What does he know that we don't know? Somehow he is acting like a smart serial killer who thinks he is smarter then everybody else. This lunatic has to be stopped.

 

[Skigh]

Kyiv minister asks Shell 'doesn't Russian oil smell of Ukrainian blood?' as Brits stop tankers | Daily Mail Online


Ukraine's foreign minister has slammed Shell for buying Russian crude oil - asking the Dutch energy giant whether the oil 'smells like Ukrainian blood for you?'

Dmytro Kuleba tweeted the criticism at the energy company on Saturday afternoon and Shell has since confirmed it did make the purchase on Friday - but said it had 'no alternative'.

It comes after Shell announced on Monday plans to sell its stake in all joint ventures with Russian partner Gazprom, calling the Ukrainian invasion 'senseless' and a threat to European security.

 

[Sundog]

Partial list of global companies doing business in Russia, based on quick internet search. They employ, together, millions of Russian citizens.

Starbucks
PepsiCo
Procter & Gamble
GE
Crate & Barrel
Danon (French yogurt)
Nestle (Swiss)
Mondolez (Cadbury, etc. leading chocolate maker in Russia)
Abbott (pharmaceuticals)
Johnson & Johnson
Pfizer (partnership with Russia company)
Forever 21
Krispy Creme
McDonalds

 

[cujenn81]

Russia-Ukraine war latest: western sanctions akin to declaration of war, says Putin, as talks over Mariupol ceasefire continue – live | World news | The Guardian
26m ago 10:58

Russian forces have seized a psychiatric hospital with 670 people inside in the town of Borodyanka in Ukraine’s Kyiv region, the regional governor Oleksiy Kuleba has said.

Today we do not understand how to evacuate these people, how to help them,” Kuleba said. “They are running out of water and medicines,” Kuleba said. “These are people with certain special needs, they need constant help ... many of them have been bedridden for years.”

SBM.

That’s just sick. LIKE… WHY? Why would they want to seize a psychiatric hospital?

 

[Arkay]

So it took me a week to realize there must be a thread on WS about Ukraine. I won't be able to catch up yet, so anything I write will probably have been mentioned 20 times by now.

Just to add my voice...I'm in love with Zelenskyy....his bravery will be shining through history. A modern day Moses. But I fear for him greatly.

I ache seeing these Ukrainians suffering so much, all due to the megalomania of one corrupt man. A man in power for 22 years and had the Russian constitution rewritten to keep him in power until the 2030s, if I recall correctly.

Seeing all these children blown up while playing soccer, or standing in the supermarket with parents, or in the car, or in their apartments---words fail. Sure, Putin, you're not going to harm civilians.

I feel this personally. One of my grandfathers was born in Ukraine during the Russian Empire, under the last Czar, Nicholas II. He fled by ship to NYC, where I was born and have lived all my life.

In my neighborhood there are many immigrants from Russia, Ukraine and other former Soviet nations. They fled due to oppression under the Communist regime. Most of them still have family back in their various nations. Every single one is frantic and very, very opposed to Putin.

Yesterday I went to a rally for unity in support of Ukraine. It was right down the block because so many live here.

I feel so helpless. Two days ago I was in Jersey and gas is usually cheaper there than in NYC. It still cost me $17 for a quarter of a tank in a compact car. I am willing, though, to pay more as the only sacrifice I can make in favor of banning Russian oil to America. I can afford it but many people cannot and it's a real sacrifice for many.

I just read an article about people worldwide who are booking Air B&Bs in Ukraine, with no intent of course to go, as a way to support Ukrainians who have no income now. I think I'm going to do that.

Slava Ukraine!