Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #5

[badgersmythe]

Ukraine war: Lavrov lands in Turkey for talks tomorrow


Ukraine war: Lavrov lands in Turkey for talks tomorrow with Ukrainian counterpart | Daily Mail Online

 

[dotr]

WARNING VERY DISTRESSING!.
March 9 2022
(6) War in Ukraine: Massive strike hits maternity hospital in Mariupol - YouTube

 

[Cool Cats]

Russia increases censorship with new law: 15 years in jail for calling Ukraine invasion a 'war'

“War” and “invasion” are two words that can land someone in prison for up to 15 years under a new Russian law.

Those words are “fake news" in the eyes of Russian lawmakers and President Vladimir Putin, who last week passed a law criminalizing the intentional spread of information that goes against the government’s narrative about what the country prefers to call a “special military operation” in Ukraine.

Newsrooms, both Russian and foreign, scrambled to protect their reporters: CNN stopped live broadcasting in Russia, while the BBC suspended its journalists’ work there. But the law doesn’t stop with news outlets: TikTok suspended livestreaming and new content from Russia, saying the new law left the social media giant “no choice.”

 

[Cool Cats]

Russian oligarch who fled to Israel 20 years ago and escaped a lifetime jail sentence renounces citizenship, says 'everything Putin touches dies'

Russian-Israeli oligarch Leonid Nevzlin (left), Russian President Vladimir Putin

 

[worldwatcher]

Okay thanks for opening this thread again.People are very worried and heartbroken,this involves us all!
So I do understand the fear of WW3

In the meantime, I did some checking .. and some searching..
It seems ,while our govs and NATO are speaking | having meetings..
I think, this “ Ukraine invasion “ concerns us all.

Read
NORTHCOM needs better sensors to protect against Russian submarine, missile threat

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Ukraine war: Moscow says it has found biological weapons in Ukraine - but US dismisses claims as 'absurd propaganda'

Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Kremlin spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told reporters: "We can conclude that in Ukrainian laboratories close to our borders, components of biological weapons were being developed.

"The urgent destruction of these materials was ordered in order not to disclose the materials and the programmes that were being made there."

It involved deadly pathogens including plague and anthrax, she said.

Moscow called on Washington to explain "Ukrainian biological weapons labs".

Igor Konashenkov, chief spokesman of the Russian Defence Ministry, said: "It is obvious that in the wake of the special military operation, the Pentagon started having serious concerns about secret biological experiments uncovered on the Ukrainian territory.

 

[Chelly]

Do you live in a NATO country? Is it participating in this conflict?

Whats clear today is the US did not agree to "this deal" with Poland. Why would the US trade our F series fighter jets for broken down planes left from a previous Russian conflict? Why did Poland make a public statement, even if a deal was in the works? Why did they feel they had to make a snide (mo) comment? ....Russia can talk to Washington about the planes...or something to that affect. This whole plane story was generated out of Poland, to obtain two Patriot Missile Systems. Moo....

Russia-Ukraine war: US rejects Polish plan to offer jets to Ukraine; Russia accused of breaking Mariupol ceasefire – live | World news | The Guardian
34m ago 21:42

The US Government may have opposed a Polish plan to ship jet fighters to Ukraine but it will be sending two Patriot anti-missile batteries stationed in Europe to Poland.

During this war, many fuzzy statements will be made that will not come to fruition.

 

[Cc8181]

From link..
''Putin held the meeting to discuss changes to the law which will allow Russians to adopt Ukrainian orphans, after his forces killed their parents.

The changes will mean children from Donetsk and Luhansk who do not have Russian citizenship will qualify for adoption.

Putin said in the meeting: 'These are extraordinary circumstances and it seems to me that we need to think not about bureaucratic delays, but about the interests of children. ''

Could this be an emotional ''commodity'' Putin grab?
Adoption Costs, Adoption Fees, Adoption Fees Ukraine | Our Fees - Adoption in Ukraine
''Actually US citizens CAN'T adopt Caucasian healthy infants anywhere in the world or it will take at least 5-8 years and cost tons of dollars. Ukraine does not have healthy children under 5 y.o. and under our laws adoption of children under 5 y.o. is forbidden. There is no alternative to surrogacy nowadays as adoption of european babies is forbidden in all countries and India banned surrogacy for foreigners in 2015.''

''Compare Surrogacy Total Cost
In the US 110-140 thousands total
100%
In Ukraine 33-42 thousands total
35%''

He is sick sick sick in the head..every night I actually pray I wake up to news that someone has put a bullet in him, and I'm not ashamed to say it, never ever have I detested someone in my lifetime as him, bombing babies! Innocent people!! Putting young boys to war without a care, ruining the lives of Russian people too!! we don't want WW3 , no one does, but when is enough enough? I honestly don't think no matter how many sanctions are placed, how many talks world leaders have, he will not back down at all . My heart goes out to every Ukrainian!

 

[dotr]

Russia-Ukraine war military dispatch: March 9, 2022
''Russian forces are moving, albeit slowly, towards Izyum, southeast of Kharkiv, while also trying to lock Chernihiv, north of the capital, Kyiv, from all sides. At the same time, they are advancing north of Mykolaiv after failed attempts against the southern city and are trying to cut west of Kyiv in order to encircle it.

Meanwhile, Belarusians living in Ukraine’s capital have reportedly created a separate battalion named after 19th-century revolutionary Kastus Kalinouski to defend Kyiv.''

 

[SouthAussie]

Has it actually been proven that land mines were set throughout the evacuation routes? I am a little dubious of this claim. It's written everywhere but I've seen no proof of it.

I don't think it has even been proven who put the land mines there, if they were there.

For all we know, it could have been Ukraine forces who put them there ... to stop tanks/military descending on their town.
Ukraine is/was booby-trapping other routes by putting homemade hedgehogs in place, and by changing route signs.
It doesn't actually make sense that Russia would mine a route they would probably want to use themselves, to access the area.

Then the route was selected as an evacuation route.

(It was the Red Cross who said the mines were there.)

It was just one road that was mined, apparently. Not multiple routes.

 

[Kiranerys]

Ukraine war: Moscow says it has found biological weapons in Ukraine - but US dismisses claims as 'absurd propaganda'

Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Kremlin spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told reporters: "We can conclude that in Ukrainian laboratories close to our borders, components of biological weapons were being developed.

"The urgent destruction of these materials was ordered in order not to disclose the materials and the programmes that were being made there."

It involved deadly pathogens including plague and anthrax, she said.

Moscow called on Washington to explain "Ukrainian biological weapons labs".

Igor Konashenkov, chief spokesman of the Russian Defence Ministry, said: "It is obvious that in the wake of the special military operation, the Pentagon started having serious concerns about secret biological experiments uncovered on the Ukrainian territory.

Says a representative of a government that blatantly and shamelessly used novichok on a citizen on foreign soil

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Russia bombs maternity and children’s hospital in Ukraine: LIVE UPDATES

Pentagon opposes transfer of MiG 29 planes from Poland to Ukraine, calls move ‘high-risk’
Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby said Wednesday that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin spoke with his Polish counterpart, Mariusz Blaszczak, and informed him that the United States will not support Poland’s proposal to deliver MiG-29s to the Ukrainian military.

“The secretary also had a chance to discuss with Minister Blaszczak the proposal to send MiG-29 fighter aircraft to Ukraine and, specifically, the notion of doing so by a way of transfer to U.S. custody,” Kirby said. “Secretary Austin thanked the minister for Poland’s willingness to continue to look for ways to assist Ukraine, but he stressed that we do not support the transfer of additional fighter aircraft to the Ukrainian air force at this time and therefore have no desire to see them in our custody either.”

"We believe the provision of additional fighter aircraft provides little increased capabilities at high risk," Kirby continued.

“We assess that adding aircraft to the Ukrainian inventory is not likely to significantly change the effectiveness of Ukrainian Air Force relative to Russian capabilities,” Kirby said. “Therefore, we believe that the gain from transferring those MIG 29s is low.”

Kirby also said during the briefing that America must “be careful about every decision we make” to ensure “that we aren’t making the potential for escalation worse.”

 

[Herat]

Vice President Kamala Harris plane arrived in Warsaw, Poland

 

[sunshineray]

Mariupol officials, faced with a rising death toll, have dug a trench over 82 feet wide in a cemetery, burying at least 70 bodies at the site as of Wednesday, according to the Associated Press.

Mariupol officials open mass gravesite as death toll rises

Sergei said residents dealing with depleting supplies have been drinking snow and burning firewood.

This is so heartbreaking </3

 

[worldwatcher]

Well, I am keeping an eye on China,as well...

“ CHINA'S TRADE IS BADLY AFFECTED BY THE WAR IN UKRAINE

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Thursday 3 March 2022, 12:42 PM

China is also suffering from the war in Ukraine. The New Silk Road, President Xi Jinping's prestige project, runs partly through Ukraine, which means that China can no longer transport freight. And that can cost the Chinese a lot of money.

'In any case, we know that the border crossings between Russia and Ukraine have been completely destroyed,' says Onno de Jong, transport consultant at research agency Ecorys. 'That line can no longer be used. In the big picture that is one of the less used lines. Most of the transport goes via Belarus, but we know for sure that nothing will be transported via Ukraine in the near future.'

GT from source:
Chinese handel lijdt zwaar onder de oorlog in Oekraïne


quite interesting...
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I can’t come up with an approved MSM,maybe the second link (?) but I will post it anyway:

“The now-famous Russian convoy has reportedly failed due to cheap Chinese tires.

It's never fun when you find out that cost-cutting has played a little too big a role in designing a product you're working with. For example, if you end up at the side of the road with your brand new Tiguan with a flat tire. Anyway, it's a bummer moment. But if you also find that Pon has thrown a nice cheap Ling Long in the back as a spare tire, that can make things even worse.”


dutch source:
Russisch konvooi voelt pijn van goedkope Chinese banden

Cheap Chinese tires blamed for Russian convoy unable to reach Kyiv

^I do hope this news will reach Putin!!!^

 

[sunshineray]

Kissinger penned an op-ed in the Washington Post on March 5, 2014 headlined, "To settle the Ukraine crisis, start at the end," which detailed much of what has unfolded as Russia’s attack continues.

"Public discussion on Ukraine is all about confrontation. But do we know where we are going? In my life, I have seen four wars begun with great enthusiasm and public support, all of which we did not know how to end and from three of which we withdrew unilaterally. The test of policy is how it ends, not how it begins," Kissinger wrote.

"Far too often the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and thrive, it must not be either side’s outpost against the other — it should function as a bridge between them," he continued. "Russia must accept that to try to force Ukraine into a satellite status, and thereby move Russia’s borders again, would doom Moscow to repeat its history of self-fulfilling cycles of reciprocal pressures with Europe and the United States."

Flashback: 2014 Washington Post column by Henry Kissinger predicted many of the Russian-Ukraine issues

Flashback and Flashforward. History always manages to repeat it's ugly parts because as beings we're still so flawed. Maybe someday we as a species will learn to change for the better, not backslide but keep going onward in peace, retire the war. One can only hope and pray. AJMO

 

[dotr]

Lots of info at lengthy link.
March 9 2022 rbbm.
Why biological weapons could be more of a threat than nuclear warfare (telegraph.co.uk)
''Last week Weber, who now sits on the Council on Strategic Risks, warned that chemical – or even disease-inducing biological – weapons may be used in Ukraine. Indeed he believes the chances of a chemical or biological attack being launched by the Russian military are much higher than the risk of a nuclear strike.

“Despite Putin’s reckless bluster on nuclear weapons, the use of biological weapons in Ukraine is much more likely,” Weber told The Telegraph.

“The USSR had the largest biological weapons programme the world has ever known and parts of it have continued uninterrupted since the break-up of the Soviet Union. Russia has three military biological facilities that have never, to our knowledge, been visited by non-Russians. We don't fully know what they're up to.”

''As if on cue, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov publicly raised the spectre of chemical and biological weapons. Russia, he claimed – without providing evidence – had information that the US was worried about the prospect of losing control over secret Western chemical and biological laboratories in Ukraine. ''

''Weber worries the Kremlin is playing up a fictitious threat of weapons of mass destruction to create a justification – a so-called “false flag” – for Putin to widen his range of military options. He points out that this would follow the Syrian playbook: Assad’s regime would blame Isis or al Qaeda affiliates whenever it conducted a chemical attack.

As Hamish de Bretton Gordon, the British Army’s former chemical and nuclear weapons chief puts it: “The Putin playbook seems to have been developed in the last five years in Syria. Of course chemical weapons are part of it – particularly fighting in towns and cities.”

 

[Satchie]

Absolutely! Russia can drop a nuclear bomb in Europe or North America, and he couldn't care less about who suffers. However, the EU knows that when Chernobyl malfunctioned, the radiation winds blew over Western Europe. The same thing could happen if the USA, or any other country, dropped a nuclear bomb in Russia.

Apparently, the prevailing winds run west to east in Europe. So radiation from, eg, Chernobyl, if it did indeed drift for hundreds of miles, would drift over Russia rather than Europe.

"Russia needs to keep in mind that the prevailing winds are towards Russia,” Ukraine nuclear power plant attack: scientists assess the risks

 

[sunshineray]

Quite possibly you are correct but never underestimate the pride a country has for their birthright. I say that because Putin didn't grow up in a vacuum. He operates like many battered countries do; bolster civic pride in your history and your fight, kind of like Americans do when they fly the Gadsen flag. The intention of the Gadsen flag is, and I quote from Wiki "Its design proclaims an assertive warning of vigilance and willingness to act in defense against coercion." In the brain of Putin I can see him co-opting that term in reference to the creeping westernization of countries who are now members of NATO on Russia's doorstep. It is very similar to the mindset the US had, the fear that countries in Central and South America which had democratically elected governments (granted they leaned socially left) so the US fought proxy wars aiding the Sandinista's and other rebel forces to help topple governments they viewed as a threat to their security. That isn't a condemnation of US's self interests and ignoring Putin's murderous push in Ukraine, but we would be remiss if we didn't see vestiges of the same type of behaviors we ourselves have ignored by our own countries, albeit on a smaller scale, and by proxy. Scale doesn't matter to those whose lives were upended in the very same way.

There was some poll in Moscow that said some crazy percentage (considering what the man did to his own countrymen, women and children) think of Stalin as a hero.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Well hi. Welcome to the fray lol.

lol