Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #5

[margarita25]

Live updates: Russia attacks Ukraine

Military Times
Live Twitter updates from Russia’s massive Ukraine invasion

“As Russian President Vladimir Putin tonight announced a special “special military operation” and reportedly launched a major attack on neighboring Ukraine, President Joe Biden responded that the Russian government would be held accountable for “catastrophic loss of life and human suffering.”

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[Sillybilly]

APPROVED SOURCES
(In addition to approved MSM from around the world)

The Kyiv Independent
Ukrinform
Nexta TV
Hromadske
AtlanticCouncil.org
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL)
Euromaidan Press


NON APPROVED SOURCES
(Do not link to the following Russian state affiliated agencies or sources that promote or spread false information)

TASS
Korrespondent media and all other UMH Group publications found here
RT and RT America
Sputnik
Russia 24
RIA Novosti
Dozhd TV
Ekho Moskvy
Komsomolskaya Pravda
Russia-24
VGTRK (Russia TV)
Aram Gabrelyanov media, including Zhizn, Lifenews.ru, Izvestia

 

[sunshineray]

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 28 minutes ago
️For those leaving Ukraine, the Customs Service recommends using the checkpoints on the border with Hungary, Slovakia, Romania and Moldova as they are less busy compared to Poland.

Map showing how busy each checkpoint is in real time:
Черги на пунктах пропуску - Google My Maps

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 18 minutes ago
️Russia claims it will stop the war immediately if Ukraine agrees to:
- cease military action
- change constitution to enshrine neutrality
- recognize Crimea as Russian territory
- recognize the Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states

Source: Statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, cited by Reuters.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
️Ukrainian forces have retaken Mykolaiv airport, according to regional governor Vitaliy Kim.

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The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 18 minutes ago
️Russia claims it will stop the war immediately if Ukraine agrees to:
- cease military action
- change constitution to enshrine neutrality
- recognize Crimea as Russian territory
- recognize the Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states

Source: Statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, cited by Reuters

Honestly, IF agreeing to those terms means Russian forces LEAVE Ukraine IMMEDIATELY, I would say ok, DONE!

Ukraine can always never be able to come to an agreement as to the language of that "enshrined neutrality" in THEIR constitution. it could take...forever...to get that done...ratified.

So it's really Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk... well at the present. Agree to those too, set up borders and then set about reinforcing them, not forgetting Belarus in the matter.

If Putin's Russia wants to be an island, so be it. But woe be it to Ukrainians to let this happen again in 5 years. Ukraine needs to secure it's borders just like West Berlin from East Berlin. Yes it's an undesirable thing, a HUGE step backwards but that is Russia's dictator's doing. Putin wants to go back in time.

But walls can always come down...when true leadership comes along.

I've got to believe many Russians will then be leaving also, if allowed. They need to be well-screened and limited to going into Ukraine for quite awhile.

AJMO and yes its all flawed in someway no matter what. I just want Ukrainians to get their country back without an occupying force...life over more death

 

[IceIce9]

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The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 18 minutes ago
️Russia claims it will stop the war immediately if Ukraine agrees to:
- cease military action
- change constitution to enshrine neutrality
- recognize Crimea as Russian territory
- recognize the Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states

Source: Statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, cited by Reuters

Honestly, IF agreeing to those terms means Russian forces LEAVE Ukraine IMMEDIATELY, I would say ok, DONE!

Ukraine can always never be able to come to an agreement as to the language of that "enshrined neutrality" in THEIR constitution. it could take...forever...to get that done...ratified.

So it's really Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk... well at the present. Agree to those too, set up borders and then set about reinforcing them, not forgetting Belarus in the matter.

If Putin's Russia wants to be an island, so be it. But woe be it to Ukrainians to let this happen again in 5 years. Ukraine needs to secure it's borders just like West Berlin from East Berlin. Yes it's an undesirable thing, a HUGE step backwards but that is Russia's dictator's doing. Putin wants to go back in time.

But walls can always come down...when true leadership comes along.

I've got to believe many Russians will then be leaving also, if allowed. They need to be well-screened and limited to going into Ukraine for quite awhile.

AJMO and yes its all flawed in someway no matter what. I just want Ukrainians to get their country back without an occupying force...life over more death

I would agree to it if it means the immediate stopping of killing and injuring innocent people.

 

[Simply Southern]

The World Court has just adjourned. So many have just heard so much put so clearly. I hope they do not delay long with their judgement.

I do wonder though if it decides, as was so obviously put forth, that Russia has blatantly violated parts of the Vienna Convention (and the Geneva but that wasn't really addressed today) concerning falsely stated genocide crimes by Ukraine as a reason to invade and commit it's own atrocities, it will not make a difference to the commander nor his gangsters.

I pray I'm wrong and for that half of the Russian people who are in the dark to be enlightened to the horrors occurring.

So what happens if he is found guilty ? Nothing, Putin could care less. Probably laughing at the entire trial. No one even showed up to represent Russia, they snubbed it. Moo...

Basically nothing, according to Carroll Bogert of Human Rights Watch. The Geneva Convention is a standard by which prisoners and civilians should be treated during a time of war. The document has no provisions for punishment, but violations can bring moral outrage and lead to trade sanctions or other kinds of economic reprisals against the offending government.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS A VIOLATION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION?

 

[Tiff23fr]

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The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 18 minutes ago
️Russia claims it will stop the war immediately if Ukraine agrees to:
- cease military action
- change constitution to enshrine neutrality
- recognize Crimea as Russian territory
- recognize the Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states

Source: Statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, cited by Reuters

Honestly, IF agreeing to those terms means Russian forces LEAVE Ukraine IMMEDIATELY, I would say ok, DONE!

Ukraine can always never be able to come to an agreement as to the language of that "enshrined neutrality" in THEIR constitution. it could take...forever...to get that done...ratified.

So it's really Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk... well at the present. Agree to those too, set up borders and then set about reinforcing them, not forgetting Belarus in the matter.

If Putin's Russia wants to be an island, so be it. But woe be it to Ukrainians to let this happen again in 5 years. Ukraine needs to secure it's borders just like West Berlin from East Berlin. Yes it's an undesirable thing, a HUGE step backwards but that is Russia's dictator's doing. Putin wants to go back in time.

But walls can always come down...when true leadership comes along.

I've got to believe many Russians will then be leaving also, if allowed. They need to be well-screened and limited to going into Ukraine for quite awhile.

AJMO and yes its all flawed in someway no matter what. I just want Ukrainians to get their country back without an occupying force...life over more death

IMO, I would like to know more about the pros and cons. It would also be interesting to know if there is more to this that isn’t mentioned. Is it a temporary band aid solution to give Putin time to get his military back in check?
I am uneasy about anything proposed by Putin.

 

[Bit of hope]

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The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 18 minutes ago
️Russia claims it will stop the war immediately if Ukraine agrees to:
- cease military action
- change constitution to enshrine neutrality
- recognize Crimea as Russian territory
- recognize the Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states

Source: Statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, cited by Reuters

Honestly, IF agreeing to those terms means Russian forces LEAVE Ukraine IMMEDIATELY, I would say ok, DONE!

Ukraine can always never be able to come to an agreement as to the language of that "enshrined neutrality" in THEIR constitution. it could take...forever...to get that done...ratified.

So it's really Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk... well at the present. Agree to those too, set up borders and then set about reinforcing them, not forgetting Belarus in the matter.

If Putin's Russia wants to be an island, so be it. But woe be it to Ukrainians to let this happen again in 5 years. Ukraine needs to secure it's borders just like West Berlin from East Berlin. Yes it's an undesirable thing, a HUGE step backwards but that is Russia's dictator's doing. Putin wants to go back in time.

But walls can always come down...when true leadership comes along.

I've got to believe many Russians will then be leaving also, if allowed. They need to be well-screened and limited to going into Ukraine for quite awhile.

AJMO and yes its all flawed in someway no matter what. I just want Ukrainians to get their country back without an occupying force...life over more death

But Putin has proved already he is a liar and can not be trusted.

 

[GRT]

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The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 18 minutes ago
️Russia claims it will stop the war immediately if Ukraine agrees to:
- cease military action
- change constitution to enshrine neutrality
- recognize Crimea as Russian territory
- recognize the Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states

Source: Statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, cited by Reuters

Honestly, IF agreeing to those terms means Russian forces LEAVE Ukraine IMMEDIATELY, I would say ok, DONE!

Ukraine can always never be able to come to an agreement as to the language of that "enshrined neutrality" in THEIR constitution. it could take...forever...to get that done...ratified.

So it's really Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk... well at the present. Agree to those too, set up borders and then set about reinforcing them, not forgetting Belarus in the matter.

If Putin's Russia wants to be an island, so be it. But woe be it to Ukrainians to let this happen again in 5 years. Ukraine needs to secure it's borders just like West Berlin from East Berlin. Yes it's an undesirable thing, a HUGE step backwards but that is Russia's dictator's doing. Putin wants to go back in time.

But walls can always come down...when true leadership comes along.

I've got to believe many Russians will then be leaving also, if allowed. They need to be well-screened and limited to going into Ukraine for quite awhile.

AJMO and yes its all flawed in someway no matter what. I just want Ukrainians to get their country back without an occupying force...life over more death

I would say Ukraine ought to agree. The Crimea is already controlled by Russia and its citizens are happy about that. The Donbas region is also very pro-Russia, so that would remove them as a thorn in Ukraine's side.

And then, enshrine neutrality (which probably means not joining NATO in the future) and stopping all aggression.

It sounds to me like the best deal they're going to get.

 

[Herat]

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The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 18 minutes ago
️Russia claims it will stop the war immediately if Ukraine agrees to:
- cease military action
- change constitution to enshrine neutrality
- recognize Crimea as Russian territory
- recognize the Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states

Source: Statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, cited by Reuters

Honestly, IF agreeing to those terms means Russian forces LEAVE Ukraine IMMEDIATELY, I would say ok, DONE!

Ukraine can always never be able to come to an agreement as to the language of that "enshrined neutrality" in THEIR constitution. it could take...forever...to get that done...ratified.

So it's really Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk... well at the present. Agree to those too, set up borders and then set about reinforcing them, not forgetting Belarus in the matter.

If Putin's Russia wants to be an island, so be it. But woe be it to Ukrainians to let this happen again in 5 years. Ukraine needs to secure it's borders just like West Berlin from East Berlin. Yes it's an undesirable thing, a HUGE step backwards but that is Russia's dictator's doing. Putin wants to go back in time.

But walls can always come down...when true leadership comes along.

I've got to believe many Russians will then be leaving also, if allowed. They need to be well-screened and limited to going into Ukraine for quite awhile.

AJMO and yes its all flawed in someway no matter what. I just want Ukrainians to get their country back without an occupying force...life over more death

Putin is the tyrant who has cried "wolf" for the last 20 years.

No one should have any faith in any of his promises or offers.

He is just a caged rat trying the Mr. Nice route. (The Mr. Nice who brought in ruthless mercenaries to assassinate Ukraine's president and Syrian terrorist fighters to overwhelm women, children, and old people fleeing for their lives)

 

[Herat]

Interesting flight today: Air Moldova 9U545

Departed Chisinau, Moldova destination unknown. Right now its headed southwest over Turkey.

The last time it appears to have been in the air is Feb23, to St Petersburg, Russia. Previously, it had done a couple of Dublin- Chisinau routes.

Could be on the way to Cyprus ( UK base there), Israel, Jordan, even Egypt or beyond.

 

[sunshineray]

I would say Ukraine ought to agree. The Crimea is already controlled by Russia and its citizens are happy about that. The Donbas region is also very pro-Russia, so that would remove them as a thorn in Ukraine's side.

And then, enshrine neutrality (which probably means not joining NATO in the future) and stopping all aggression.

It sounds to me like the best deal they're going to get.

I think anything in the areas that were said to be Putin demands, IF TRUE, are a way to get invading forces out of Ukraine. That has to happen first, no occupation. So if that's doable by those "conditions" , like you said, it might be the best deal to save lives and prepare the future

 

[sunshineray]

Putin is the tyrant who has cried "wolf" for the last 20 years.

No one should have any faith in any of his promises or offers.

He is just a caged rat trying the Mr. Nice route. (The Mr. Nice who brought in ruthless mercenaries to assassinate Ukraine's president and Syrian terrorist fighters to overwhelm women, children, and old people fleeing for their lives)

Yes I agree with all that. Just want to see a way to make them physically leave Ukraine...ASAP.

 

[Tiff23fr]

US secretary of defense orders 500 additional US troops deploy to Europe

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin ordered additional troops and US military assets to be deployed to different parts of Europe amid the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine to further support the US’s NATO allies, a senior US defense official told reporters on Monday.

The Defense Department will send a total of 500 troops in this new deployment, the official said. The deployment will include sending KC-135 refueling aircraft to Greece, but the official could not say how many aircrafts would be sent or where in the US they will be coming from.

…
With these additional deployments, the US now has about 100,000 US military personnel either on rotational or permanent orders stationed in Europe right now, the official said.

Live updates: Russia invades Ukraine

 

[sds71]

Liga.net found the woman who knocked down a Russian drone with a jar of pickled tomatoes. She wants to set the record straight: those were NOT picked cucumbers:

"They were tomatoes!" LIGA.Life found a Kiev woman who shot down an enemy drone with a can of conservation | Stories of | LEAGUE. Life

 

[sunshineray]

Carried over from last thread so I could answer you Bit of hope <3

I would never accept a deal like this from my government. Every country has the right to decide for there own who they want to be "friends" with especially if there is no real threat, because of all the restrictions posed on you being part of that "friends group". You can't decide for another country who they want to join. How would it be if f.i. Denmark took our provinces Groningen and Friesland or Mexico confiscated the state of Texas? Would you agree to just give it away?

I'm from America and I agree with all you say. I just want the invaders to leave Ukraine. Things written down can always be revisited and re-imagined. Putin will not be around forever. Ukraine has a lot of rebuilding, repatriating and healing...not forgetting, NEVER forgetting.

 

[dotr]

March 7 2022 rbbm.
Ukraine rejects Russian proposal for humanitarian corridors that lead to Russia, Belarus | CBC News
"In Mariupol, where an estimated 200,000 people hoping to flee were becoming increasingly desperate, Red Cross officials waited to hear when a safe humanitarian corridor would be established. The city is short on water, food and power, and mobile phone networks are down. Shops have been looted as residents search for essential goods.

Police moved through the city advising people to remain in shelters until they heard official messages broadcast over loudspeakers to leave.

Hospitals in Mariupol suffered shortages of antibiotics and painkillers, and doctors performed some emergency procedures without them.''

''The battle for Mariupol, in particular, is crucial because its capture could allow Moscow to establish a land corridor to Crimea, which Russia annexed from Ukraine in 2014 in a move that most other countries considered illegal.''

 

[dotr]

Liga.net found the woman who knocked down a Russian drone with a jar of pickled tomatoes. She wants to set the record straight: those were NOT picked cucumbers:

"They were tomatoes!" LIGA.Life found a Kiev woman who shot down an enemy drone with a can of conservation | Stories of | LEAGUE. Life

Love it!

 

[JerseyGirl]

Putin’s alleged love child deletes Instagram after verbal abuse over Ukraine

Luiza Krivonogikh, whose Instagram boasted 84,000 followers, faced severe backlash online since her rumored father gave the orders for Russian troops to attack last month.

The 18 year old is the daughter of cleaner-turned-multimillionaire Svetlana Krivonogikh, 46, who has long been rumored to have been Putin’s mistress in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It would be like handing Texas back to Mexico, yes. Just not the done thing if it’s against the citizens’ wishes. Imagine the uproar? This is what we’re up against.

USA and Europe are of a similar size and a near equal number of states/countries. So, you give away Texas, are they gonna go for Louisiana or Oklahoma next? That ok? Shift the borders then just invade the next bit for more land? Where does it stop?

I don’t know what the answer is politically, geographically or morally, but I do know that for as long as Putin breathes he is a danger to ALL his neighbours. Perhaps he’ll want Alaska back next, at only 55 miles away it’s a lot closer than most of Europe.

None of us are safe until he’s dead, in my opinion.

 

[CSIDreamer]

@Sillybilly just approved this source.

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1500877290959515653?t=prXgECbeIDu1mg_mSvvaCg&s=19

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